ATI card artifacts when computer is cold. Stops when warm...

blackjackel · 04-24-12, 06:44 PM

Every time I boot my computer I get video artifacting, I have to wait till the graphics card heats up and reboot and the artifacting goes away...

OR

I can "push" the card up or down a little and this will also work.

MY personal opinion is that one of the solder points on the card is loose or something, has anyone experienced this before?

I'm thinking of doing the "bake it in the oven trick" to try to revive the card, what do you guys think?

thideras · 04-24-12, 06:46 PM

I would agree on solder points, but I would also add a bad heatsink seating to the list, as well. If physical movement fixes the artifacts, it is a physical problem.

blackjackel · 04-25-12, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thideras

I would agree on solder points, but I would also add a bad heatsink seating to the list, as well. If physical movement fixes the artifacts, it is a physical problem.

I thought about this so i tightened the heatsink screws and that fixed the problem for 1 boot, after that the same thing happened again.

Then I took the heatsink completely off, scraped the crap thermal paste off and put new paste on and screwed it back on, again, solved the problem for the next boot...

The boot after that, I had the problem again!

So I'm thinking sticking it in the oven will fix it, thing is, this is a nice card and i don't want to ruin it :/

thideras · 04-25-12, 11:13 AM

If it is under warranty, I would just send it in.

Otherwise, I would do the following:
*Try another card in this system
*Try that card in another system
--*If you can't do either of those, a different power supply
*Bake it

corruption · 04-25-12, 11:18 AM

Possible issue with caps not receiving proper charge?

thideras · 04-25-12, 11:19 AM

Do you mean like blown caps? Otherwise, I don't understand what you mean.

I assumed that since it works once it is warmed up that caps wouldn't be the culprit since it wouldn't care about temperatures.

corruption · 04-25-12, 12:31 PM

I was thinking more about the amount of time that it's been on rather than temperature. Faulty/malfunctioning caps may require more time to reach a full charge. I was thinking in the voltage regulation area....if a cap can't reach a full charge as quickly as it should, any caps following it in series would be affected too. This would result in voltage flutter/fluctuation beyond what design specs permit.

I've seen a similar phenomenon with motherboards....it would take several reboot attempts before a system would boot/POST. Most of the time it would result in instability. Since artifacting is a symptom of instability, I figured it may be worth mentioning.

blackjackel · 04-30-12, 03:07 PM

Well, I havent touched it for a while, ive kept moving it a side a little bit to get it to start up and now it's doing something really strange...

The video is coming in and cutting out, 2 seconds of video 2 seconds of monitor off, 2 seconds of video... over and over... even when in bios....

at this point i don't know what to do

blackjackel · 04-30-12, 03:38 PM

I went in through teamviewer and the video is working fine, leading me to think that the on-off-on-off video behavior is caused by my monitor....

thideras · 04-30-12, 03:44 PM

What kind of artifacts are you seeing? If you can record these in a screenshot, it is the video card for sure.

blackjackel · 05-15-12, 01:51 PM

I found out the problem of the on-off issue, my monitor went bad... Is it possible for a bad video card to take out a monitor with it? I don't think so, and in that case then the two problems were completely unrelated.

I have a new monitor now, the 27" yamasaki catleap. And yes, the artifacts can be recorded in a screenshot.

The thing is, its a 4870, and it works fine as long as i do two things:

1- Wait for it to heat up

2- Push it "downwards" on the back end of it.

I'm scared of baking it and having it not work forcing me to buy a new card... :/

Bosco · 05-15-12, 03:59 PM

You have a nice monitor now and a sweet psu, its time to upgrade that video card maybe?

A Radeon HD6870 is quite a bit faster, they are often about $150 or so online when coupon codes are applied:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/513?vs=540

Russia14 · 05-17-12, 07:41 PM

Just RMA it or purchase a newer card, thatd be your best bet.

blackjackel · 05-17-12, 09:03 PM

Can't RMA, RMA time has expired...

Buying a video card might not be good since my CPU might bottleneck my card, right? I mean I'm running on a Q6600 overclocked to 3.4, wouldn't this limit my graphics power with a really nice card?

thideras · 05-17-12, 09:09 PM

That is a pretty old processor. Whether it will be a bottleneck depends on the game and the graphics settings you are running.

azuza001 · 05-19-12, 03:59 PM

Its an old processor for sure but I used to run a Q6600 at 3.6 with a Radeon 6850 and it did a great job. The Q6600 is still better than what a lot of people out there are running once overclocked.

I also had a card that was a 4870 that did the same thing you are talking about. Of course that card was in a car accident..... still it had the same symptoms. My guess at the time was that the impact caused something in the card to break loose so I just replaced it.

I'd buy a good card now and then later if you want you can upgrade your MB/Ram/Processor to something more modern. If your happy with the new card in your old setup though then have a beer on thideras and enjoy.

04-24-12, 06:44 PM	Thread Starter #1
blackjackel Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles	ATI card artifacts when computer is cold. Stops when warm... Every time I boot my computer I get video artifacting, I have to wait till the graphics card heats up and reboot and the artifacting goes away... OR I can "push" the card up or down a little and this will also work. MY personal opinion is that one of the solder points on the card is loose or something, has anyone experienced this before? I'm thinking of doing the "bake it in the oven trick" to try to revive the card, what do you guys think? __________________ --------------------Hardware Specifications-------------------- --CPU: Q6600 @ 3.6 GHZ --Mobo: P5K Deluxe --RAM: 8gig --HDD: 256GB SSD +1TB+1.5TB+3TB+500GB+2x150Raptor raid 1 = ~6.4TB --Vidcard: Radeon 4870 --PSU: TT Toughpower 1250W. --------------------cooling Specifications-------------------- --Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 --Watercooling rig: Corsair H50 (sealed kit) --Fan setup 8 X 120mm fans: 1 on HD's, 5 blowing on mobo, 2push/pull on radiator. --------------------Miscelaneous Links-------------------- My HeatWare, My folding statistics,
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04-24-12, 06:46 PM	#2
thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	I would agree on solder points, but I would also add a bad heatsink seating to the list, as well. If physical movement fixes the artifacts, it is a physical problem. __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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04-25-12, 11:13 AM	#4
thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	If it is under warranty, I would just send it in. Otherwise, I would do the following: Try another card in this system Try that card in another system --If you can't do either of those, a different power supply Bake it __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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04-25-12, 11:18 AM	#5
corruption Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Paget, Bermuda (Until I can get back to Halifax, NS or get my fiancee to Bermuda)	Possible issue with caps not receiving proper charge? __________________ q6600 - 3.6 @ 1.525v (bios) ASUS P5K Premium/WiFi-AP 4GB PC2 6400 - Generic Transcend EVGA 460 GTX EE 1024MB - stock atm... Western Digital 250GB SATA - 7200rpm 8MB cache 2x Seagate 7200.10 250GB SATA - Raid0 OCZ 520W PSU Water cooling - MCP600, Apogee GT, ~~MCW60~~, Swiftech MicroRes, BIP3 "Don't start a fight with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
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04-25-12, 11:19 AM	#6
thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	Do you mean like blown caps? Otherwise, I don't understand what you mean. I assumed that since it works once it is warmed up that caps wouldn't be the culprit since it wouldn't care about temperatures. __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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04-25-12, 12:31 PM	#7
corruption Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Paget, Bermuda (Until I can get back to Halifax, NS or get my fiancee to Bermuda)	I was thinking more about the amount of time that it's been on rather than temperature. Faulty/malfunctioning caps may require more time to reach a full charge. I was thinking in the voltage regulation area....if a cap can't reach a full charge as quickly as it should, any caps following it in series would be affected too. This would result in voltage flutter/fluctuation beyond what design specs permit. I've seen a similar phenomenon with motherboards....it would take several reboot attempts before a system would boot/POST. Most of the time it would result in instability. Since artifacting is a symptom of instability, I figured it may be worth mentioning. __________________ q6600 - 3.6 @ 1.525v (bios) ASUS P5K Premium/WiFi-AP 4GB PC2 6400 - Generic Transcend EVGA 460 GTX EE 1024MB - stock atm... Western Digital 250GB SATA - 7200rpm 8MB cache 2x Seagate 7200.10 250GB SATA - Raid0 OCZ 520W PSU Water cooling - MCP600, Apogee GT, ~~MCW60~~, Swiftech MicroRes, BIP3 "Don't start a fight with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
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04-30-12, 03:07 PM	Thread Starter #8
blackjackel Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles	Well, I havent touched it for a while, ive kept moving it a side a little bit to get it to start up and now it's doing something really strange... The video is coming in and cutting out, 2 seconds of video 2 seconds of monitor off, 2 seconds of video... over and over... even when in bios.... at this point i don't know what to do __________________ --------------------Hardware Specifications-------------------- --CPU: Q6600 @ 3.6 GHZ --Mobo: P5K Deluxe --RAM: 8gig --HDD: 256GB SSD +1TB+1.5TB+3TB+500GB+2x150Raptor raid 1 = ~6.4TB --Vidcard: Radeon 4870 --PSU: TT Toughpower 1250W. --------------------cooling Specifications-------------------- --Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 --Watercooling rig: Corsair H50 (sealed kit) --Fan setup 8 X 120mm fans: 1 on HD's, 5 blowing on mobo, 2push/pull on radiator. --------------------Miscelaneous Links-------------------- My HeatWare, My folding statistics,
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04-30-12, 03:38 PM	Thread Starter #9
blackjackel Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles	I went in through teamviewer and the video is working fine, leading me to think that the on-off-on-off video behavior is caused by my monitor.... __________________ --------------------Hardware Specifications-------------------- --CPU: Q6600 @ 3.6 GHZ --Mobo: P5K Deluxe --RAM: 8gig --HDD: 256GB SSD +1TB+1.5TB+3TB+500GB+2x150Raptor raid 1 = ~6.4TB --Vidcard: Radeon 4870 --PSU: TT Toughpower 1250W. --------------------cooling Specifications-------------------- --Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 --Watercooling rig: Corsair H50 (sealed kit) --Fan setup 8 X 120mm fans: 1 on HD's, 5 blowing on mobo, 2push/pull on radiator. --------------------Miscelaneous Links-------------------- My HeatWare, My folding statistics,
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04-30-12, 03:44 PM	#10
thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	What kind of artifacts are you seeing? If you can record these in a screenshot, it is the video card for sure. __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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05-15-12, 01:51 PM	Thread Starter #11
blackjackel Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles	I found out the problem of the on-off issue, my monitor went bad... Is it possible for a bad video card to take out a monitor with it? I don't think so, and in that case then the two problems were completely unrelated. I have a new monitor now, the 27" yamasaki catleap. And yes, the artifacts can be recorded in a screenshot. The thing is, its a 4870, and it works fine as long as i do two things: 1- Wait for it to heat up 2- Push it "downwards" on the back end of it. I'm scared of baking it and having it not work forcing me to buy a new card... :/ __________________ --------------------Hardware Specifications-------------------- --CPU: Q6600 @ 3.6 GHZ --Mobo: P5K Deluxe --RAM: 8gig --HDD: 256GB SSD +1TB+1.5TB+3TB+500GB+2x150Raptor raid 1 = ~6.4TB --Vidcard: Radeon 4870 --PSU: TT Toughpower 1250W. --------------------cooling Specifications-------------------- --Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 --Watercooling rig: Corsair H50 (sealed kit) --Fan setup 8 X 120mm fans: 1 on HD's, 5 blowing on mobo, 2push/pull on radiator. --------------------Miscelaneous Links-------------------- My HeatWare, My folding statistics,
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05-15-12, 03:59 PM	#12
Bosco Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Hagaman, N. Y.	You have a nice monitor now and a sweet psu, its time to upgrade that video card maybe? A Radeon HD6870 is quite a bit faster, they are often about $150 or so online when coupon codes are applied: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/513?vs=540 __________________ no members are necessary at this site Bobnova + Earthdog know it all.
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05-17-12, 07:41 PM	#13
Russia14 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: North America	Just RMA it or purchase a newer card, thatd be your best bet.
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05-17-12, 09:03 PM	Thread Starter #14
blackjackel Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles	Can't RMA, RMA time has expired... Buying a video card might not be good since my CPU might bottleneck my card, right? I mean I'm running on a Q6600 overclocked to 3.4, wouldn't this limit my graphics power with a really nice card? __________________ --------------------Hardware Specifications-------------------- --CPU: Q6600 @ 3.6 GHZ --Mobo: P5K Deluxe --RAM: 8gig --HDD: 256GB SSD +1TB+1.5TB+3TB+500GB+2x150Raptor raid 1 = ~6.4TB --Vidcard: Radeon 4870 --PSU: TT Toughpower 1250W. --------------------cooling Specifications-------------------- --Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 --Watercooling rig: Corsair H50 (sealed kit) --Fan setup 8 X 120mm fans: 1 on HD's, 5 blowing on mobo, 2push/pull on radiator. --------------------Miscelaneous Links-------------------- My HeatWare, My folding statistics,
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05-17-12, 09:09 PM	#15
thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	That is a pretty old processor. Whether it will be a bottleneck depends on the game and the graphics settings you are running. __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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05-19-12, 03:59 PM	#16
azuza001 Member Join Date: Nov 2007	Its an old processor for sure but I used to run a Q6600 at 3.6 with a Radeon 6850 and it did a great job. The Q6600 is still better than what a lot of people out there are running once overclocked. I also had a card that was a 4870 that did the same thing you are talking about. Of course that card was in a car accident..... still it had the same symptoms. My guess at the time was that the impact caused something in the card to break loose so I just replaced it. I'd buy a good card now and then later if you want you can upgrade your MB/Ram/Processor to something more modern. If your happy with the new card in your old setup though then have a beer on thideras and enjoy. __________________ Clevo 901C Laptop / Intel Core 2 Extreme at 2.93Ghz / 4 Gigs Ram / Geforce 8800GTX / 2 X 250 Gig HD's in Raid 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rocketfish Full Aluminum Tower / I7 870 at 4Ghz / 8 Gigs DDR3 Ram / EVGA GTX 670 FTW 2GB / 1 TB HD / True Spirit 140 I blame Earthdog and Muddocktor for helping me pick some truly great parts. Thanks guys, now I'm broke and happy. :)
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