FBI confiscates server, returns and powers up same server

X0d1@k · 05-11-12, 01:26 PM

I havent posted in GD for ages, trying to care less about this crazy world, and give the media less power over my life.

Came across this story, and it really got me thinking. If you company is based on servers, and you lose those servers due to a subpeona, you business is done until you get them back, or new servers. You are forced to break your contract with your customers etc. With little or no recourse im thinking. WOW, make sure you include that clause in your TOC.

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...edomain=usnews

I wonder if they will find anything "extra" on the returned server?

Wathnix · 05-11-12, 04:26 PM

Most likely there is at least one bug planted on the server. I would not be surprised if the FBI, in addition to normal monitoring software planted in the OS also planted spyware in the firmware of motherboard/HDD/NIC, ect.

Personally if i were admin of that server I would never use it again. I would sell it. Then use both an obvious camera and a hidden camera to watch the new server.

Diggrr · 05-11-12, 06:55 PM

That wouldn't matter too much, I gather that AV programs give the Fed a back-door anyway.

Wathnix · 05-12-12, 07:32 AM

if they could do it all remotely through AV backdoors then the FBI would not have raided the server in the first place

Diggrr · 05-12-12, 12:21 PM

IF the server wasn't behind a smooth-wall and was actually running an AV.
Besides, the back door would only allow a warrant, they still have to obtain the physical evidence to prosecute, meaning they must have the server in hand.

Wathnix · 05-12-12, 08:46 PM

I still would replace that machine

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X0d1@k Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Drano(Reno), NV	FBI confiscates server, returns and powers up same server I havent posted in GD for ages, trying to care less about this crazy world, and give the media less power over my life. Came across this story, and it really got me thinking. If you company is based on servers, and you lose those servers due to a subpeona, you business is done until you get them back, or new servers. You are forced to break your contract with your customers etc. With little or no recourse im thinking. WOW, make sure you include that clause in your TOC. http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...edomain=usnews I wonder if they will find anything "extra" on the returned server? __________________ Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. Sir Terry Pratchett OCForums Metal Club member#<your number>
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05-11-12, 04:26 PM	#2
Wathnix Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Hamster	Most likely there is at least one bug planted on the server. I would not be surprised if the FBI, in addition to normal monitoring software planted in the OS also planted spyware in the firmware of motherboard/HDD/NIC, ect. Personally if i were admin of that server I would never use it again. I would sell it. Then use both an obvious camera and a hidden camera to watch the new server. __________________ "Beer is how we know God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin. Thermaltake Tsunami case, Q6600 CPU, XFX mobo, 500GB HDD, GTX 460 video card, Corsair 520HX PSU
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05-11-12, 06:55 PM	#3
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05-12-12, 07:32 AM	#4
Wathnix Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Hamster	if they could do it all remotely through AV backdoors then the FBI would not have raided the server in the first place __________________ "Beer is how we know God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin. Thermaltake Tsunami case, Q6600 CPU, XFX mobo, 500GB HDD, GTX 460 video card, Corsair 520HX PSU
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05-12-12, 12:21 PM	#5
Diggrr Underwater Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gun Lake, MI. USA	IF the server wasn't behind a smooth-wall and was actually running an AV. Besides, the back door would only allow a warrant, they still have to obtain the physical evidence to prosecute, meaning they must have the server in hand. __________________ Rig1: C2D E8400 @3510 Ф Asus P5G41T-M-LX Plus mobo Ф 8 Gigs Ballistix DDR3 1333 Ф Asus GT520 Silent Ф 4 Deep Cool 92mm case fans Ф FSP 1U 460 Watt PSU External Watercooling: 40' Copper Coil Geothermal ground loop Ф Cooling modded MCP350 & MCP355 W/Swiftech white dual pump top Ф D-Tek Fuzion V2, 1/4" Rig2: Via Esther C7 1.5 @ 1.65 Ф Jetway 7F2WE1G5D mITX mobo Ф 1 Gig Generic Ram (max) Ф 120 watt Pico PSU. Life's Tragedy is that we get old too soon and wise too late. ~ Benjamin Franklin
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05-12-12, 08:46 PM	#6
Wathnix Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Hamster	I still would replace that machine __________________ "Beer is how we know God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin. Thermaltake Tsunami case, Q6600 CPU, XFX mobo, 500GB HDD, GTX 460 video card, Corsair 520HX PSU
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