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Archer0915 said:
As far as porn goes I think common sense need prevail. As far as schools and the like spying well I see it this way! If you are legit then there is nothing to worry about. I here a lot of complaints about privacy but the truth is if you did not buy it and it is not your private property then nothing should be personal.

Phone calls should be monitored at work and cell phones not allowed. I have seen cases in industry where a cell costs money and or injury. In the commercial sector it is a little different but my feelings are the same.
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Kids are kids though... are you saying you didn't go through an age of curiosity when you were a kid?

Also often if I call someone up when they're at work I wouldn't want other people listening in. Say you wanted to call up a mate and say your girlfriend might be cheating on you. Would you want someone else listening in?
 
tinymouse2 said:
Kids are kids though... are you saying you didn't go through an age of curiosity when you were a kid?

Also often if I call someone up when they're at work I wouldn't want other people listening in. Say you wanted to call up a mate and say your girlfriend might be cheating on you. Would you want someone else listening in?
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Company phones and computers are for company business. Go make a call on a cell or pay phone on your time. I don't pay to gossip.


Look the stuff is being assigned for certain uses and the fact is if it is not being used properly then the school can be held libel by parents in cases concerning younger children.

I am also not in this group and I also had a rather abnormal childhood. Curiosity is one thing but stupidity is another.

 
Archer0915 said:
Company phones and computers are for company business. Go make a call on a cell or pay phone on your time. I don't pay to gossip.


Look the stuff is being assigned for certain uses and the fact is if it is not being used properly then the school can be held libel by parents in cases concerning younger children.

I am also not in this group and I also had a rather abnormal childhood. Curiosity is one thing but stupidity is another.
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Archer0915 said:
Phone calls should be monitored at work and cell phones not allowed.
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Quote from you there. In every job I've had I've worked VERY hard. I think that you shouldn't be allowed to use a cell phone if you doss about all day but a 10 minute call should be allowed...

Are you saying that things like a calculator from school shouldn't be used for anything but school work? Say you need to work out if you have enough money for a movie with friends, should you be allowed to use it then?
A company car? Should you only be allowed to use it for driving it to work and not for say drive a kid to a music lesson?

All just my opinion, don't hate me for it :chair:
 
tinymouse2 said:
Quote from you there. In every job I've had I've worked VERY hard. I think that you shouldn't be allowed to use a cell phone if you doss about all day but a 10 minute call should be allowed...

Are you saying that things like a calculator from school shouldn't be used for anything but school work? Say you need to work out if you have enough money for a movie with friends, should you be allowed to use it then?
A company car? Should you only be allowed to use it for driving it to work and not for say drive a kid to a music lesson?

All just my opinion, don't hate me for it :chair:
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On the employees time there is not a problem! I have seen too many people abuse cell's on the job and this causes all to be hurt. As I said a break is one thing but on my time it is another. The company has a phone service and in case of emergency the employee can be contacted through proper channels.

As to the calc thing (think about it:bang head) that is a little different as to the company car well if you are on call then yes use it while on call but this too is also abused and should be cut out.


There are a lot of people who abuse the system and cause general unhappiness throughout work places. I have seen it and it affects productivity in industry and causes personal issues with other employees at the cooperate level.
 
Archer0915 said:
On the employees time there is not a problem! I have seen too many people abuse cell's on the job and this causes all to be hurt. As I said a break is one thing but on my time it is another. The company has a phone service and in case of emergency the employee can be contacted through proper channels.

As to the calc thing (think about it:bang head) that is a little different as to the company car well if you are on call then yes use it while on call but this too is also abused and should be cut out.


There are a lot of people who abuse the system and cause general unhappiness throughout work places. I have seen it and it affects productivity in industry and causes personal issues with other employees at the cooperate level.
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The car and calc thing were just an example of the same situation. People used them for a different purpose from what they were intended. I don't see people getting charged because of that...

As for the phone thing. If someone gives 100% all the time shouldn't they get a longer break or more money than someone that gives 80%? So far I haven't found anywhere that gives people this luxury (neither has anyone I've spoken to)
 
There is a parable I wont quote due to religion. In essence you agree to work and don't think that because you put in more time or feel you are better that you deserve special treatment or more money. Your 100% may be twice the 100% of another man and mine may be twice yours. You agree on a salary. It is not about the other guy it is about you. Now when you start talking about preferential treatment you are going down the wrong road.

This is what I hear: I bust my *** and deserve more breaks. I get more done than others do and therefore should be held above them. NEWS FLASH, it cant work that way.
 
Well put it this way.
When I had a Saturday job at Halfords (a general hardware store in the UK) my productivity was twice that of some other employees. I was actually paid less than them even though I was working about 2 hours overtime.

I'm just saying that I think I deserved something in return for my extra work. You say it can't work like that. Why? They weren't putting in a LOT less effort and it was VERY obvious but they couldn't find anyone to replace them. They got more for being lazy *somethingz*
 
tinymouse2 said:
I'm just saying that I think I deserved something in return for my extra work. You say it can't work like that. Why? They weren't putting in a LOT less effort and it was VERY obvious but they couldn't find anyone to replace them. They got more for being lazy *somethingz*
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Not that I disagree with you (I Don't) but we don't need to give the slackers any more fuel to add to the fire. I have seen people walk in the door and complain about pay.

Point is we have a lot of liability on cooperation's and they cant be fair and do what is right, they must do what is legal. I can pay you more money unless there is a pay scale. I can give you a raise or vacation or promotion but I cant show any preferential treatment in many cases.

What you suggest is also bad for moral.

Back on topic: I think that if tax dollars are paying for this then it is 100% the peoples business. Key logging, back doors and spyware should be the norm.
 
Wow. I would never work for someone with that outlook. If I wanted an over-protective, invasive, controlling daddy figure-- I'd get myself a pimp.

Please don't take that in an offended way, it is simply the best summation of my thoughts that I could conjure.

I especially would not advocate exposing the nation's youth to that sort of treatment. We would be raising the next generation in a prison mentality, making a large step for the acceptance of a 1984'ish society.

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To clarify: I'm talking about the monitoring aspect--that is all. And my apologies if it seems directed at you Archer. I speak more of the monitoring/big brother stuff you were suggesting.
 
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burningcpu said:
Wow. I would never work for someone with that outlook. If I wanted an over-protective, invasive, controlling daddy figure-- I'd get myself a pimp.
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That's an amazingly good analogy. I'm sorry Archer but he's completely correct.

I think the knowledge that working harder will get me more money would be a perfectly good incentive to get cracking.

This wouldn't work in the higher work places such as in an office but for manual labour or other less mentally straining jobs this would work extremely well.

Again just my opinion, no offence intended :p
 
Years ago I was the guy busting my ***!! I still do. I had the same thoughts as you but then I saw the truth.

There is no room for exception! Cooperation's need fire the BS and keep the hard workers!!! Wrong wont work.

The fact is people need to get with the program. There are more people than jobs! Pruning can be done and every freaking time an employee is not doing his job it costs money. When you are on the bottom or the middle it looks a lot different than from a upper management level. Sure there is room for phones but some abuse it and all lose it because of some stupid law or union rules that says we cant do this or that and just let the crap go.
 
there was something on 60 minutes about something like this. a school was showing 60 minutes what it could do with student issued laptops.

i think it was 60 minutes....
 
Settlement Reached

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I just grabbed this link off of Drudge. Man, this has been a while since I first posted about this!

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Lower-Merion-Webcam-Settlement-104746984.html?dr

I thought $610,000 was rather a slap on the wrist for this breach--but then I read the school board's notes about the settlement:

http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&t=today&p=lmsd_anno&id=1456

A major impetus behind settling this matter now is the recent agreement by our insurance carrier, Graphic Arts, to cover more than $1.2M of the fees and costs associated with this litigation to date. The proposed settlement costs include $175,000 to be placed in a trust for Blake Robbins, $10,000 for Jalil Hassan and $425,000 for plaintiff's counsel. This settlement is not under seal because as a public entity, we have a responsibility to report all terms of the agreement.
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Yeah, the lawyers made out as usual.
 
Family picture of young baby and little kids (soft porn basically)
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Lolwut?

Since when were baby pics any kind of porn? Most people think of soft porn as the stuff they show on cinemax late at night- I don't think baby pics come anywhere close to qualifying.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But presumably, drafting an air-tight list of exceptions is not as easy as one might think.
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Exactly. It is impossible to draft any law that is not open to interpretation.
 
There should have been convictions for those responsible for implementing this system.
 
nealric said:
Lolwut?

Since when were baby pics any kind of porn? Most people think of soft porn as the stuff they show on cinemax late at night- I don't think baby pics come anywhere close to qualifying.



Exactly. It is impossible to draft any law that is not open to interpretation.
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Actually there have been a few cases where baby pictures resulted in friendly uniformed men with stainless steel bracelets asking questions.

Also a guy bought a "biology" movie and was arrested due to Customs deciding it was CP, the "biology" star ended up showing up to court with her ID to prove she was of legal age.
 
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