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micamica1217 said:
q149 said:
Mr.Guvernment said:
q149 said:
micamica1217 said:
Mr.Guvernment said:
i shall try to find the site that had the imAges - it could very well of been doctored in same way but from me looking at it for some time the nvidia - in some - inmages had more smoother lines and curves then ati - supposedlt this was due to how ATi and NVIDIA render curves and rounded surfaces?
Now this is only on one site i saw it - i know if you dfo say out of 10 games 9 out of 10 ATI will win
Cowboy X said:I know I don't nitpick or complain unlesss I see something glaringly wrong but I don't try to be an ostritch with my head in the sand either . There is not much worse than buying a new item for $$$ and then find out a better item cost $ in the same store , that sort of thing annoys most people . It is also human to suddenly see the flaws in the product which you alreday bought when you see a better product .
Nvidia's year long behaviour has sadly caused most people to second guess anything they say or sell . Many more people are now wary and afraid that they may end up buying and inferior product when they go NV , and Nvidia only have themselves to blame for this . Imagine you go to a store and buy some cookies and they taste pretty good but in the middle of the pack you find worms ....... so you take it back and get another pack which also has worms , in fact more ! You do this about 4 times and even at different stores with different types of cookies from the same brand and still find worms nicely hidden in the center . Trust me you will no longer trust that brand and likely won't buy them for a long time , and in fact you will likely closely inspect every bag of cookies you pick up in future regardless of the brand . I will go further and say that if it was a friend or aquaintance who had the experience it would be very likely that you would avoid that brand too . This is exactly what is happening in the vcard world at present .
Some ATI fanboys indeed go to far , hoping to get as much dirt on the 'enemy' but on the flip side there are those who will argue :
1/ The cookies taste good .
2/ This brand roxxors , they have "protein enriched" cookies .
3/ I don't mind I can't see the worms ( if I take off my glasses ) .
4/ My cousin is l337 and he says this brand is the best .
5/ Don't mind the worms in these 1500000 bags , their cookies won't have any worms in them next year . So keep on buying .
6/ I like worms .
7/ This brand has the best worms .
That may seem funny to most of us but that is an almost exact analogy of what I see being written ( there's of course more but I can't list them all ) . We all know that some of these statements stem from blind fanboyism or even ignorance . But a significant number are due to people with some degree of brand loyalty ( not necessarily fanboys ) who don't want to get hurt by facts concerning their hardware . For many these facts do exactly what I described at first , they show up the flaws in our possesions and decrease our enjoyment of them . Spectacles often look very clean until one looks through another pair or cleans one's own . The way these facts are dealt with by such people varies but it often entails several things :
1/ Try to discredit the facts or sources .
2/ Deny the facts even exist .
3/ Highlight something other than the core fact and try to deviate discussion towards that instead . A good example is people focussing more on Futuremark's motives and $$$ rather than the fact that Nvidia cheated and lied to consumers regarding a benchmark which they said wasn't even important .
4/ Find and mention flaws in competitors current or even past history as if this somehow removes the flaws or problems with Nvidia's hardware/drivers .
5/ Try to prevent oneself from even hearing the facts . *
6/ Deny the significance of the facts .
Lookaround the various forums and you will see all of the above even in technical places like Beyond3d.com . But the ostritch behaviour in numbers 5 and 6 are gaining ground and we must try to stop doing these especially since some rather big websites have been popularising this behaviour .
In Barbados we have a saying " What you don't know can't hurt you . " , that is now the motto of many online , but sadly that good old proverb often doesn't work . What is further ironic is tht the proponents of this 'new' doctrine do know but yet still insist that it 'won't hurt them ' .
See no evil , Hear no evil , Deny them both if you do
Here ends my slightly off track rant
Mr.Guvernment said:^^^ that long statemnent pretty much clears it up - cant wait to see a fanboy come in here and see their reply.
and i beleive you ^^^ i wish i could afford a card of each - often i wish i could afford a G5 and a top end PC so i could for one run my own tests - unfortunatly i cant and so i must go by others words and what is more sad is the majority of those are are fanboys and are biased towards the opponents - whether ati or nvidia or amd or intel.
anyways - i know what works - and the FX is not that
