Good sound test

zabomb4163 · Jun 8, 2004

[size=+3]New samples[/size]

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/bassiloveyou.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/bassotronicswithbassmekanik.mp3
good bass with a mix of clean highs. useful for balancing the subwoofer with the tweeter in a system

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/thx_-_jurassic_lunch.mp3
warning comes with this one. do NOT play at high volumes. you WILL bottom out your subwoofer. this file has content at 15hz.
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http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/phase.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/DrumSolo.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/Big8DrumLine.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/DolbyBassTest.mp3

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Frequency Analysis: Sigview (program i use)
http://www.sigview.com/download.htm

Another frequency analysis program : TrueAudio (RyanT prefers this program)
http://www.trueaudio.com/downloads/TrueRTA_se.exe

Tone Generator

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/generator.zip
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Midrange bass test
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/Bass.mp3

Fairly low bass test
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/THXSoundBass.mp3
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Sine sweep (LOW VOLUME only. you have been warned.)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/THXTweeterAndBassTest.mp3

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Very good tweater test. your ears may not be able to take much of it though.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/tweater.mp3

THX intro. found at the begining of most dvds
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/iNTRO.mp3
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Boston Acoustics - Woofer Cooker (thanks maxvla)
http://www.maxvla.com/woofercooker.mp3
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Below 30hz* subwoofer test. will seem quiet if you do not have a good subwoofer.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/SubwooferTest1.mp3

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Audio samples of the world's largest pipe organ (courtesy of Oklahoma Wolf)

Fanfare played by Barbara Fesmire
http://www.acchos.org/mp3/scaledemo.mp3

Sample of It Might As Well Be Spring played by Lowell Ayers
http://www.acchos.org/mp3/might_as_well_be_spring.mp3

Portion of the Widor Toccata from the 5th Symphony, played by Barbara Fesmire
http://www.acchos.org/mp3/widor.mp3

Excerpt from a Sousa's Stars and Stripes played by Lowell Ayers
http://www.acchos.org/mp3/starsstripes01.mp3
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Bass Mekanik (scroll down to listen to samples)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-8167448-8366536?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

-search amazon.com for "Bass Mekanik". you'll find lots of samples

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*edited for additions* post links to any audio recordings you believe test a system well. (with the exception of songs that are illegal to link. dont want anyone getting in trouble)

9mmCensor · Jun 8, 2004

zabomb4163 said:
Warning: Do NOT run at high volumes

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/Bass.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/THXSoundBass.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/THXTweeterAndBassTest.mp3

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bballmadness/tweater.mp3

-MP3's that give your sound system a pretty good workout.

cool, my headphones sound ok, cheap-o legitech headset. I miss my sony moniors (bag crashing)

Maxvla · Jun 9, 2004

**warning this song really can damage your speakers**

if you don't hear much bass its because your speakers simply can't play low enough. don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it. pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

Boston Acoustics - Woofer Cooker

**link fixed

breez · Jun 9, 2004

Maxvla, linky no worky

Maxvla · Jun 9, 2004

link works now.

james.miller · Jun 10, 2004

Maxvla said:
**warning this song really can damage your speakers**

if you don't hear much bass its because your speakers simply can't play low enough. don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it. pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

Boston Acoustics - Woofer Cooker

**link fixed

You'd be suprised. Sony's in-ear groove earphones for example have a devistating bottom end responce - better than a lot of hifi setups i've heard in the past.

edit: and my cheap philips headphones can reproduce every note acceptably in that test aswell. Actually they are bottom-end heavy but thats how i like it

Half decent headphones or a low powrered big wobbly subwoofer would have no problems with that

Maxvla · Jun 10, 2004

james.miller said:
You'd be suprised. Sony's in-ear groove earphones for example have a devistating bottom end responce - better than a lot of hifi setups i've heard in the past.

edit: and my cheap philips headphones can reproduce every note acceptably in that test aswell. Actually they are bottom-end heavy but thats how i like it

Half decent headphones or a low powrered big wobbly subwoofer would have no problems with that

i said properly. my sennheiser HD580's can play it, but not properly.

my shure in canal earphones cannot play the lowest notes, my sennheiser headset cannot play it. my koss earbuds cannot play it, my logitech Z640 or Z340 cannot even touch it. my kenwood 12" car subs can play it but its pushing it. the only time i've ever heard this song played properly is on a Velodyne 12" 400w home theater sub. its loud clear and punchy.

so you are expecting me to believe some cheap sony earphones have better bass than a high quality hometheater sub?

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

Maxvla said:
i said properly. my sennheiser HD580's can play it, but not properly.

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No you didnt.

maxvla said:
if you don't hear much bass its because your speakers simply can't play low enough. don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it. pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

No mention of properly or probably there. You were quite sure of yourself again.

my shure in canal earphones cannot play the lowest notes, my sennheiser headset cannot play it. my koss earbuds cannot play it, my logitech Z640 or Z340 cannot even touch it. my kenwood 12" car subs can play it but its pushing it. the only time i've ever heard this song played properly is on a Velodyne 12" 400w home theater sub. its loud clear and punchy.

so you are expecting me to believe some cheap sony earphones have better bass than a high quality hometheater sub?

Thats your problem Maxvla and yes, youd better believe me. Let me tell you something about that track maxvla - that lowest note is around 29-30hz. Varify with a tone generator if you like. My LA sub is flat to 20hz, at 30hz its just getting started. You kenwood car sub isnt much of a sub if it cant play a 30hz tone

http://www.johnlewis.com/stores/product.asp?sku=230173959&str=13&source=6132

Sony Sony MDR-EX71SL Earphones inear buds. Frequency range 6 - 23000 Hz. Now believe it or not that is a +/- 3db range (yes you'll have to believe me) so you can be sure as heck they can play that. Ive had a few pairs of them and like i said, will put most headphones and hifi setups to shame when it come to the bottom-end responce. However let's not confuse this with overall quality. This is purely the bass extention were are talking about here.

All i did was make a polite correction Maxlva, please don't turn this into another argument

X86Dude · Jun 11, 2004

i said properly. my sennhesier HD580s can play it, but not properly.

That is funny because MY HD580s can play that track perfectly.
But then again they have a lot of help and no input caps.

PPA + STEPS + Larocco Diamond Buffer=

Maxvla · Jun 11, 2004

james.miller said:
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No you didnt.

No mention of properly or probably there. You were quite sure of yourself again.

Thats your problem Maxvla and yes, youd better believe me. Let me tell you something about that track maxvla - that lowest note is around 29-30hz. Varify with a tone generator if you like. My LA sub is flat to 20hz, at 30hz its just getting started. You kenwood car sub isnt much of a sub if it cant play a 30hz tone

http://www.johnlewis.com/stores/product.asp?sku=230173959&str=13&source=6132

Sony Sony MDR-EX71SL Earphones inear buds. Frequency range 6 - 23000 Hz. Now believe it or not that is a +/- 3db range (yes you'll have to believe me) so you can be sure as heck they can play that. Ive had a few pairs of them and like i said, will put most headphones and hifi setups to shame when it come to the bottom-end responce. However let's not confuse this with overall quality. This is purely the bass extention were are talking about here.

All i did was make a polite correction Maxlva, please don't turn this into another argument

well apparently you misread so i'll show you where i said properly

Maxvla said:
pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

i based my opinion on several sets of speakers and headphones, it is not unqualified. and yes i said my kenwoods could play it but not properly, apparently you misread that as well.

Maxvla · Jun 11, 2004

X86Dude said:
That is funny because MY HD580s can play that track perfectly.
But then again they have a lot of help and no input caps.

PPA + STEPS + Larocco Diamond Buffer=

i'd have to hear that to believe it.

i had mine connected to a Gilmore Lite amp with belden cables and it was not nearly powerful or punchy enough to even come close to what it sounds like with a nice HT sub.

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

Maxvla said:
well apparently you misread so i'll show you where i said properly

i based my opinion on several sets of speakers and headphones, it is not unqualified. and yes i said my kenwoods could play it but not properly, apparently you misread that as well.

I asked you not to turn this into a stupid argument. What was your comment about headphones Maxvla?

if you don't hear much bass its because your speakers simply can't play low enough. don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it. pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

WONT. Not probably, properly or anything else. You said WONT. clear enough?

and yes i said my kenwoods could play it but not properly, apparently you misread that as well.

How an earth did you figure that out?

You kenwood car sub isnt much of a sub if it cant play a 30hz tone

Should i have added a PROBABLY in there? would it even make a differenece if i had?

unbelievable.

Maxvla said:
Maxvla said:

i'd have to hear that to believe it.

i had mine connected to a Gilmore Lite amp with belden cables and it was not nearly powerful or punchy enough to even come close to what it sounds like with a nice HT sub.

Click to expand...

Oh so by 'don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it' You really ment it will infact be fine, though not quite as detailed as a few hundered pounds worth of HT subwoofer? You said one thing and ment something completely different. Ok thats fine, at least you've cleared that up.....

Maxvla · Jun 11, 2004

lets remind everyone who started this "stupid" argument.

i stated my opinion that headphones cannot perform this song properly. you apparently believe otherwise. that is your right.

you are flame baiting and i will not tolerate it being insinuated that my opinion is unwelcome.

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

yes Maxvla, it was you who started this. Please read my original post again. I said, in the politest and nicest way possible, that you were in fact wrong about headphones. I didnt insult you, and please show me where i said youre opinion is unwelcome?

I dont need to flame bait you Maxvla, i have better things to do.

i stated my opinion that headphones cannot perform this song properly. you apparently believe otherwise. that is your right.

Where are you pulling this rubbish from Maxvla? I made a comment about one statement:

if you don't hear much bass its because your speakers simply can't play low enough. don't even bother with headphones as they won't be able to play it. pretty much need to have a 10-12 inch driver of good quality and plenty of power to play this song properly.

...and that statement is wrong Maxlva. Wrong. Christ after i said it you even changed that story and said something along the lines of "my headphones can play it but not properly" - if that isnt admitting your statement was wrong what is?

Im not going to continue with this. Its perfectly clear from my first post what i mean. I'm sorry if you cant see that

I ment no disrespect or anythign else from that post, and i''m sorry if you think i did.

Azzkiller · Jun 11, 2004

james.miller said:
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Thats your problem Maxvla and yes, youd better believe me. Let me tell you something about that track maxvla - that lowest note is around 29-30hz. Varify with a tone generator if you like. My LA sub is flat to 20hz, at 30hz its just getting started. You kenwood car sub isnt much of a sub if it cant play a 30hz tone

http://www.johnlewis.com/stores/product.asp?sku=230173959&str=13&source=6132

Sony Sony MDR-EX71SL Earphones inear buds. Frequency range 6 - 23000 Hz. Now believe it or not that is a +/- 3db range (yes you'll have to believe me) so you can be sure as heck they can play that. Ive had a few pairs of them and like i said, will put most headphones and hifi setups to shame when it come to the bottom-end responce. However let's not confuse this with overall quality. This is purely the bass extention were are talking about here.

All i did was make a polite correction Maxlva, please don't turn this into another argument

Did you do a fast fouier transform to verify that the lowest note is indeed ~30hz or are you just guessing? How would a tone generator be able to determine the lowest note in a song?????

Have you ever heard of boundry reinforcment? I wouldnt be surprised if his subwoofer extends lower in his car than your subwoofer does in your room due to boundry reienforcement.

How do you know your sony earbuds are truely +/-3dB from 6hz to 23khz????? Did you independently measure them? I see no wording on that link you provided that indicates that the measurement is indeed within a 6dB window. My Sennheiser HD-600's claim response to 12hz. I don't hear much meaningfull output below 30hz or so, unless I BOOST it.

No offense, but if your sony earbuds produce more bass than your subwoofer, maybe you should look into getting a better one?

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

well i did have a detailed reply ready for that but i lost my connection.

anyway with that particular test its easy to determine farely accurately what frequency that bottom note is. Foobar has a tone generator built it - simply flipping between a tone and the test material is enough to figure it out. Not exactly - but then thats why i said "around 29-30hz"

Have you ever heard of boundry reinforcment? I wouldnt be surprised if his subwoofer extends lower in his car than your subwoofer does in your room due to boundry reienforcement.

Of course, it's one of the things I have to be aware of when building subwoofer cabinets - tailoring them for the environment. To that end I 100% agree that his woofer should, in theory, extend lower than mine does which is why i was a little shocked when he said it his kenwood can do it but thats pushing it - it should be quite easy...in theory.

How do you know your sony earbuds are truely +/-3dB from 6hz to 23khz????? Did you independently measure them? I see no wording on that link you provided that indicates that the measurement is indeed within a 6dB window. My Sennheiser HD-600's claim response to 12hz. I don't hear much meaningfull output below 30hz or so, unless I BOOST it.

I dont know for sure. quite honestly i have'nt tested it to see if they are lying or not. it doesn't bother me that much lol

No offense, but if your sony earbuds produce more bass than your subwoofer, maybe you should look into getting a better one?

I never said that lol. I said they produced a flatter result. which is true. As a said my sub is perfectly capable down to around 20hz, and tbh any lower than that is a wasted effort with a 12" sub.

Azzkiller · Jun 11, 2004

james.miller said:
anyway with that particular test its easy to determine farely accurately what frequency that bottom note is. Foobar has a tone generator built it - simply flipping between a tone and the test material is enough to figure it out. Not exactly - but then thats why i said "around 29-30hz"

I dont know for sure. quite honestly i have'nt tested it to see if they are lying or not. it doesn't bother me that much lol

I never said that lol. I said they produced a flatter result. which is true. As a said my sub is perfectly capable down to around 20hz, and tbh any lower than that is a wasted effort with a 12" sub.

I disagree. The "bottom note" could be 15hz and if your system could not play that at levels that you could distinguish (they would have to be very loud) then you wouldnt be able to determine for sure what the bottom note was. What if the bottom note was 4hz? How would you determine that using a tone generator?

If you don't know for sure about the Sony's, then why did you bring up their frequency response? I sincerely doubt you would ever detect 6hz from them. You are using it for an arguement in which you are trying to be able to hear the lowest frequency in a song. What if the lowest frequency in the song was 25hz but the sonys only had meaningfull output to 30hz?

Why do you consider anything below 20hz a wasted effort for a 12" woofer? I have seen many designs with output to 15hz or lower that utilize a 12" woofer.

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

ok well i can assure you my system is good enough to tell the difference between 15 and 30hz. For one thing my sub doesnt produce an audible output much below 20hz. 15hz is below the resonance of my subwoofer and it causes the woofer to shift a crap load of air without actually producing much of an audible output. It is definatly 29-30hz.

If you don't know for sure about the Sony's, then why did you bring up their frequency response? I sincerely doubt you would ever detect 6hz from them. You are using it for an arguement in which you are trying to be able to hear the lowest frequency in a song. What if the lowest frequency in the song was 25hz but the sonys only had meaningfull output to 30hz?

because this is about a 30hz tone not 6hz. I mearly said that was the claimed response of those sony's so they would be able to cope with a 30hz tone, nothing more. You're reading too far into it.

Why do you consider anything below 20hz a wasted effort for a 12" woofer? I have seen many designs with output to 15hz or lower that utilize a 12" woofer.

Power handling for one. Producing a the flattest output isnt always the best way to go about things. pushing the resonance of the box that low has a huge impact on power handling. I could quite easily have designed my box to run flat to 15hz, but if i had the power handling would have been so low that i wouldnt have been able to produce a loud enough output (for my needs). Theres more to it than just a flat responce. i choose to push it down to 20hz becuase i felt that was a happy medium for my subwoofer, but that already affects the absolute power handling of the sub. My LA is a 400w RMS sub, but sitting in this box 200w RMS will push it beyond its limits. Indeed at 20hz less than a quauter of that is need to push the sub to its ends. It was a case of compromise.

KILLorBE · Jun 11, 2004

Could you guys please stop it :bang head

this is going nowhere.

I think some people mixed up a few things:
1) SPL (Sound Pressure Level)
2) Frequency Range
3) Properly

Just about any system can, and will, play those tracks Properly, however they may not produce the entire Frequency Range of those tracks at a reasonable SPL (or at which level you'd like them to play).

:argue:

james.miller · Jun 11, 2004

I'm sorry KILLorBE, and especially you zabomb4163. I never knew my post would create this mess. I *should* have know better. I appologise

anyway,nice set of test tracks there

Good sound test

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