Come now RDX we dont need to bash every game we dont like -_- one liner "this is crap" posts dont help discussions much. How about being more creative, like: I didnt like quake becuase of blah blah, i liked/disliked the older ones and they didnt change enough bleh bleh blah blah i have nostalgia for the old quakes, Q4 didnt deliver, etc. I thought mods were supposed to know this kind of stuff.
Anyway, I thought Q4 was decent, I finished the single player which is saying a lot, but i've already done the whole MP side by playing Q3 almost nonstop for a while when it was still big so i never got into that aspect.