How hot is your t-bred?

vandersl · 07-06-02, 11:14 AM

Just got my WC setup running, looking for reassurance

Athlon XP 2200+, 1955MHz (11.5X170), 1.75V. Epox 8K3A+ (on-die thermistor). Ambient is 22C, water is 28C, CPU load (Prime 95 for 3 hours) is around 53C.

I know the on-die reads high, and up to 70C shouldn't be a problem. But how is this relative to what you are getting?

If you can, post ambient, CPU load, and O/C (mult, FSB). No offence, but no in-socket temps please - they are just not realistic for comparison here.

simon389 · 07-06-02, 01:09 PM

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masitti · 07-06-02, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by simon389
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You have a T-Bred? It says T-Bird in your sig.

Mike K · 07-06-02, 01:35 PM

He was thinking Thunderbird, T-Bird. vandersl wants thoroughbred, T-Bred. T-Bred's start at 2200+, 1.8 GHZ.

masitti · 07-06-02, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by m_mike_k
He was thinking Thunderbird, T-Bird. vandersl wants thoroughbred, T-Bred. T-Bred's start at 2200+, 1.8 GHZ.

Yea, that is why I was asking and clarifying.

oc jason · 07-06-02, 04:19 PM

well on an alpha PAL mine was in 58c idle which sux IMO

vandersl · 07-06-02, 04:42 PM

Well, I got one response for the t-bred anyway.

Guess not too many OC members have taken the plunge yet.

I'm barely able to eek out 2GHz on this chip, and it gets way hot due to the reduced die size. Thinking maybe I should have gone pally, but the unlocking was soooo much easier on this one.

At least I have a comfortable 53C at 1955MHz OC and it's quiet as a mouse. Loudest sound coming from it is the power supply fan - and its an Enermax Whisper

Mike K · 07-06-02, 04:53 PM

Shrinking the die makes it cooler.

Yodums · 07-06-02, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by m_mike_k
Shrinking the die makes it cooler.

It hasn't done anything in this case. It is either the same as XP temps, or hotter

vandersl · 07-06-02, 05:39 PM

Well, according to Watts Calculator III:

Athlon XP 2200+ tbred: 18000MHz, 1.65V = 68W, 80mm^2
Athlon XP 2100+ Pally: 1800MHz, 1.75V = 75W, 120mm^2

2200+ uses 91% of the power, with only 66% of the area. This is the root of the problem.

BillA · 07-06-02, 09:03 PM

what wb ? (looking at bp thickness)

be cool

Silver · 07-06-02, 09:16 PM

running 226w bong cooled pelt at 2.15Ghz, 38c under load. At 2.2Ghz getting 44c under load.

Mike K · 07-06-02, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Yodums

It hasn't done anything in this case. It is either the same as XP temps, or hotter

Thanks, everything I read(before t-breds came out0 said that shrinking the die allows it to run cooler.

CrashOveride · 07-06-02, 09:35 PM

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Shrinking the die makes it cooler.

the t bred probably runs cooler ( there for the watts calculator is right), however the smaller die size gives less cooling area so you get higher temps- i think at least

Silver · 07-06-02, 10:52 PM

On my bong setup with just a water block, the return water is cooler. This agrees with the less heat theory however due to the small area of contact it does run hotter, much hotter.

vandersl · 07-06-02, 10:54 PM

BillA,

Using the Swifty MCW462-UH now. I think the thicker base gives it an edge on the super-thin Maze3.

BillA · 07-06-02, 11:06 PM

right
temp's probably pretty close, Watt density dictates
reality is cruel

be cool

BillA · 07-07-02, 12:43 PM

an addendum:

generated with a 10x10mm heat die
Watts shown are 'real', multiply by 1.3 or 1.4 for 'Radiate Watts'

while the slope depends on the actual wb, they are not radically different
- this is from a typical labyrinth, a LiquidCC - Surge

be cool

oc jason · 07-07-02, 12:56 PM

yes it runs cooler but with the reduced die size you would have to run .875 vcore to get the equal temp for a XP aty 1.75vcore

but.....tbred DOES NOT run at .875 vcore its at 1.65 so its way hot

CrashOveride · 07-07-02, 04:11 PM

is there any reason for the smaller die other than them being able to say, "hey, we maske smaller dies" ?

07-06-02, 11:14 AM	Thread Starter #1
vandersl Member Join Date: Apr 2001	How hot is your t-bred? Just got my WC setup running, looking for reassurance Athlon XP 2200+, 1955MHz (11.5X170), 1.75V. Epox 8K3A+ (on-die thermistor). Ambient is 22C, water is 28C, CPU load (Prime 95 for 3 hours) is around 53C. I know the on-die reads high, and up to 70C shouldn't be a problem. But how is this relative to what you are getting? If you can, post ambient, CPU load, and O/C (mult, FSB). No offence, but no in-socket temps please - they are just not realistic for comparison here.
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07-06-02, 01:09 PM	#2
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07-06-02, 01:35 PM	#4
Mike K Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago, Illinois	He was thinking Thunderbird, T-Bird. vandersl wants thoroughbred, T-Bred. T-Bred's start at 2200+, 1.8 GHZ.
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07-06-02, 04:19 PM	#6
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	well on an alpha PAL mine was in 58c idle which sux IMO __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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07-06-02, 04:42 PM	Thread Starter #7
vandersl Member Join Date: Apr 2001	Well, I got one response for the t-bred anyway. Guess not too many OC members have taken the plunge yet. I'm barely able to eek out 2GHz on this chip, and it gets way hot due to the reduced die size. Thinking maybe I should have gone pally, but the unlocking was soooo much easier on this one. At least I have a comfortable 53C at 1955MHz OC and it's quiet as a mouse. Loudest sound coming from it is the power supply fan - and its an Enermax Whisper
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07-06-02, 04:53 PM	#8
Mike K Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago, Illinois	Shrinking the die makes it cooler.
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07-06-02, 05:39 PM	Thread Starter #10
vandersl Member Join Date: Apr 2001	Well, according to Watts Calculator III: Athlon XP 2200+ tbred: 18000MHz, 1.65V = 68W, 80mm^2 Athlon XP 2100+ Pally: 1800MHz, 1.75V = 75W, 120mm^2 2200+ uses 91% of the power, with only 66% of the area. This is the root of the problem.
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07-06-02, 09:03 PM	#11
BillA choke man Join Date: Jan 2001	what wb ? (looking at bp thickness) be cool
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07-06-02, 09:16 PM	#12
Silver Senior Citizen (aka old fart) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas, Georgia	running 226w bong cooled pelt at 2.15Ghz, 38c under load. At 2.2Ghz getting 44c under load. __________________ Xeons 1.6LV at 3.2Ghz 3000+ (754) at 2.5Ghz 2800+ (754) at 2.5Ghz P4 2.8C-478 at 3.4Ghz Celeron 315D at 3.4Ghz Celeron 310D at 3.0Ghz Celeron 335D at 3.7Ghz Celeron 315D at 2.8Ghz C2D E6300 at 3.2Ghz C2D E6300 at 3.0Ghz FOLDING FOR TEAM 32 - 30.7 Ghz Avatar by Shocker - Many Thanks Sir!
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07-06-02, 10:52 PM	#15
Silver Senior Citizen (aka old fart) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas, Georgia	On my bong setup with just a water block, the return water is cooler. This agrees with the less heat theory however due to the small area of contact it does run hotter, much hotter. __________________ Xeons 1.6LV at 3.2Ghz 3000+ (754) at 2.5Ghz 2800+ (754) at 2.5Ghz P4 2.8C-478 at 3.4Ghz Celeron 315D at 3.4Ghz Celeron 310D at 3.0Ghz Celeron 335D at 3.7Ghz Celeron 315D at 2.8Ghz C2D E6300 at 3.2Ghz C2D E6300 at 3.0Ghz FOLDING FOR TEAM 32 - 30.7 Ghz Avatar by Shocker - Many Thanks Sir!
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07-06-02, 10:54 PM	Thread Starter #16
vandersl Member Join Date: Apr 2001	BillA, Using the Swifty MCW462-UH now. I think the thicker base gives it an edge on the super-thin Maze3.
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07-06-02, 11:06 PM	#17
BillA choke man Join Date: Jan 2001	right temp's probably pretty close, Watt density dictates reality is cruel be cool
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07-07-02, 12:43 PM	#18
BillA choke man Join Date: Jan 2001	an addendum: generated with a 10x10mm heat die Watts shown are 'real', multiply by 1.3 or 1.4 for 'Radiate Watts' while the slope depends on the actual wb, they are not radically different - this is from a typical labyrinth, a LiquidCC - Surge be cool
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07-07-02, 12:56 PM	#19
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	yes it runs cooler but with the reduced die size you would have to run .875 vcore to get the equal temp for a XP aty 1.75vcore but.....tbred DOES NOT run at .875 vcore its at 1.65 so its way hot __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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