DVD-Rs and HP 200ix

gas-man · 09-20-02, 09:37 PM

Anyone tried using a DVD-R (not DVD+R) on an HP 200ix? They're not supposed to work, but maybe they do??

gas-man · 09-20-02, 09:42 PM

And when I put my DVD+R and +RW in Nero, it says they are 4.4gb, but they're advertised as 4.7gb...?

bdf24 · 09-21-02, 06:03 AM

I'm not sure. I'm to poor to have a DVD burner

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pauldriver · 09-21-02, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gas-man
And when I put my DVD+R and +RW in Nero, it says they are 4.4gb, but they're advertised as 4.7gb...?

4,700,000,000 (1000^6) Bytes not 4,812,800,000 (1024^6) Bytes

Johnny Knoxville · 09-21-02, 09:48 AM

the HP 200ix can only read DVD-R but not write them

Exiler · 09-21-02, 10:45 AM

DVD+R are useless, they are less popular than the DVD-R series.

Also new DVD-ROM drives coming out support DVD-R than DVD+R it seems.

You can actually find that DVD+R are cheaper than DVD-R like 50 bucks and DVD-RAM also just as cheap, unlike DVD-R.

I dont know why Sony is even bothering with the DVD-R/DVD+R series all in one. They should just let DVD+R die so the rest of us can let DVD-R be the official format for DVD.

gas-man · 09-21-02, 10:47 AM

I've found that the DVD+R are more expensive...

I really thought that this burner did all of them until I opened the box

I'll make due though...

pauldriver · 09-21-02, 04:29 PM

The multiformat Sony is at
http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.j...d=50044&type=o

You can preorder now, for a Nov 1 ship date.

The issue in the DVD Recordable format wars is whos patents are used. This will translate into billions of dollars for the winning camp.

I think Sony is throwing in the towel, the only advantage DVD+R had over DVD-R was speed (2.4 vs 2.0) and now DVD-R does 4x burning, well that blows DVD+R out of the water.

Not to mention the superior performance of DVD-R in consumer equipment.

I was at bestbuy (something I equate to a hades level torment) and some poor fool had just bought an HP DVD+RW and couldn't figure out how come nothing he owned would play the disks.

The clerk was trying to sell him on more software, and I clued him in on the format differences and that he need to check if his equipment was compatable with DVD+RW.

Paul

Johnny Knoxville · 09-22-02, 06:51 AM

DVD+R is not useless, it is far better than DVD-R for file storage

pauldriver · 09-22-02, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Yodums2
DVD+R is not useless, it is far better than DVD-R for file storage

True, but one of the DVD writeable attractions is the ability to play media in consumer equipment. In my "walk into Best Buy, Ultimate Electronics, and Circuit City and try a DVD-R and a DVD+R in every player test" I found that DVD-R had better compatibility.

If you want a large storage medium that handles file backup and restore well then there are storage only mediums that are faster then DVD+R or DVD+RW, such as WORM and Magneto Optical (9.1 GB)

bdf24 · 09-22-02, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yodums2
DVD+R is not useless, it is far better than DVD-R for file storage

What's the difference between the two? Will DVD+R store more? I've been thinking about maybe one of these day's picking up a DVD burner (like in 18 year's when the last of 3 kid's should be out of the house

). But have'nt done the research yet. So I'd be interested in knowing the difference.

Johnny Knoxville · 09-22-02, 12:19 PM

well, If you're making movies, get a "-" drive. If you're doing mostly data disks, get a "+" drive. Or Wait for the Sony burner that does both standards... DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

Exiler · 09-22-02, 12:33 PM

its just that, if I burn a DVD disc, I want to use a DVD-ROM than the burner itself to get the data out. And since majority of
DVD-ROM have higher support to READ DVD-R than DVD+R, I would choose a DVD-R burner anyday.

I mean would you use your CDRW burner as everyday use to play your CDs? I would buy a CDRW and a CDROM Drive so one is only used to burn the other to just play, so that the lifespan of the CDRW is a lot more.

You also have to think, for spending 200+ bucks on a DVD Burner, you want that Burner to last and pratically all manufacturers give you only 1 year warrenty on it which is quite low. Its better to spend 40 bucks to get a DVD-ROM drive to use to read a DVD-R than use the Burner. (Don't forget your everyday dirt from your Burned DVD disc used on a DVD Burner might pick up the dirt and cost you a coaster intead.

pauldriver · 09-22-02, 03:01 PM

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...RelatedID=2780

Can anyone make sense of this?

pauldriver · 09-22-02, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by pauldriver
The discs were tested on Intellikey's 100 domestic and international brand DVD players and DVD computer drives, including models dating as far back as 1997. Test results suggest that recent generation DVD players are generally better able to support playback of the recordable DVD formats tested.

Things get murkier by the minute.

Fieldski · 09-23-02, 10:06 AM

I have Pioneer's DVR-104 (OEM Version of the AO4)
Storage is 4.4gb in movie format and DVD-RW. If your just using it for storage it holds 4.7gb. So far I have not had any compatability issues with any of the dvd players I've used. I say DVD-R is the way to go.

pogue1000 · 11-02-02, 02:35 PM

i just ordered the sony +-rw

4 x write

gonna be a week or so till i get it.
BB is all out so i had to go to there website.

so where is the cheapest media for these burners online?

thanks!

gas-man · 11-02-02, 03:25 PM

Hey where'd you get it and how much? Keep me updated on that drive, I was thinking of going to that one as well.

Though, I recently have gotten my HP200i working properly, it would be nice to have the ability to work in all formats.

pogue1000 · 11-02-02, 03:53 PM

i went through best buy web page, and ordered it off of there.
cannot find it in the stores and wanted to use bb card.

will probalby be a week or so till it gets here.
i just went over to www.vcdhelp.com and u can look up different players etc. and they show tigerdirect, cdw and other places selling them at a good price!

i will keep you informed.

Quote:

Originally posted by gas-man
Hey where'd you get it and how much? Keep me updated on that drive, I was thinking of going to that one as well.

Though, I recently have gotten my HP200i working properly, it would be nice to have the ability to work in all formats.

pauldriver · 11-02-02, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pogue1000
i went through best buy web page, and ordered it off of there.
cannot find it in the stores and wanted to use bb card.

will probalby be a week or so till it gets here.
i just went over to www.vcdhelp.com and u can look up different players etc. and they show tigerdirect, cdw and other places selling them at a good price!

i will keep you informed.

you can order them driect from sony as well.

09-20-02, 09:37 PM	Thread Starter #1
gas-man Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ON, Canada	DVD-Rs and HP 200ix Anyone tried using a DVD-R (not DVD+R) on an HP 200ix? They're not supposed to work, but maybe they do??
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09-20-02, 09:42 PM	Thread Starter #2
gas-man Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ON, Canada	And when I put my DVD+R and +RW in Nero, it says they are 4.4gb, but they're advertised as 4.7gb...?
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09-21-02, 06:03 AM	#3
bdf24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Harford, WI.	I'm not sure. I'm to poor to have a DVD burner .
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09-21-02, 09:48 AM	#5
Johnny Knoxville Disabled Join Date: May 2002	the HP 200ix can only read DVD-R but not write them
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09-21-02, 10:45 AM	#6
Exiler Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada	DVD+R are useless, they are less popular than the DVD-R series. Also new DVD-ROM drives coming out support DVD-R than DVD+R it seems. You can actually find that DVD+R are cheaper than DVD-R like 50 bucks and DVD-RAM also just as cheap, unlike DVD-R. I dont know why Sony is even bothering with the DVD-R/DVD+R series all in one. They should just let DVD+R die so the rest of us can let DVD-R be the official format for DVD.
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09-21-02, 10:47 AM	Thread Starter #7
gas-man Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ON, Canada	I've found that the DVD+R are more expensive... I really thought that this burner did all of them until I opened the box I'll make due though...
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09-21-02, 04:29 PM	#8
pauldriver Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Land of SIN	The multiformat Sony is at http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.j...d=50044&type=o You can preorder now, for a Nov 1 ship date. The issue in the DVD Recordable format wars is whos patents are used. This will translate into billions of dollars for the winning camp. I think Sony is throwing in the towel, the only advantage DVD+R had over DVD-R was speed (2.4 vs 2.0) and now DVD-R does 4x burning, well that blows DVD+R out of the water. Not to mention the superior performance of DVD-R in consumer equipment. I was at bestbuy (something I equate to a hades level torment) and some poor fool had just bought an HP DVD+RW and couldn't figure out how come nothing he owned would play the disks. The clerk was trying to sell him on more software, and I clued him in on the format differences and that he need to check if his equipment was compatable with DVD+RW. Paul Last edited by pauldriver; 09-21-02 at 04:36 PM.
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09-22-02, 06:51 AM	#9
Johnny Knoxville Disabled Join Date: May 2002	DVD+R is not useless, it is far better than DVD-R for file storage
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09-22-02, 12:19 PM	#12
Johnny Knoxville Disabled Join Date: May 2002	well, If you're making movies, get a "-" drive. If you're doing mostly data disks, get a "+" drive. Or Wait for the Sony burner that does both standards... DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.
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09-22-02, 12:33 PM	#13
Exiler Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada	its just that, if I burn a DVD disc, I want to use a DVD-ROM than the burner itself to get the data out. And since majority of DVD-ROM have higher support to READ DVD-R than DVD+R, I would choose a DVD-R burner anyday. I mean would you use your CDRW burner as everyday use to play your CDs? I would buy a CDRW and a CDROM Drive so one is only used to burn the other to just play, so that the lifespan of the CDRW is a lot more. You also have to think, for spending 200+ bucks on a DVD Burner, you want that Burner to last and pratically all manufacturers give you only 1 year warrenty on it which is quite low. Its better to spend 40 bucks to get a DVD-ROM drive to use to read a DVD-R than use the Burner. (Don't forget your everyday dirt from your Burned DVD disc used on a DVD Burner might pick up the dirt and cost you a coaster intead.
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09-22-02, 03:01 PM	#14
pauldriver Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Land of SIN	Lets muddle things more http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...RelatedID=2780 Can anyone make sense of this?
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09-23-02, 10:06 AM	#16
Fieldski Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere in America	I have Pioneer's DVR-104 (OEM Version of the AO4) Storage is 4.4gb in movie format and DVD-RW. If your just using it for storage it holds 4.7gb. So far I have not had any compatability issues with any of the dvd players I've used. I say DVD-R is the way to go.
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11-02-02, 02:35 PM	#17
pogue1000 Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Indiana	i just ordered the sony +-rw 4 x write gonna be a week or so till i get it. BB is all out so i had to go to there website. so where is the cheapest media for these burners online? thanks!
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11-02-02, 03:25 PM	Thread Starter #18
gas-man Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ON, Canada	Hey where'd you get it and how much? Keep me updated on that drive, I was thinking of going to that one as well. Though, I recently have gotten my HP200i working properly, it would be nice to have the ability to work in all formats.
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