Low 3dmark with high end gear

DaedalusX · 01-01-03, 01:48 AM

Sorry to make a post that might come off like it belongs in the gripes and moans section, but I really take this as a serious concern.

To begin here are the specs of the machine in question, as of right now:

Abit KD7 motherboard (KT400, AGP 8X)
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.11ghz
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (built by ati), Catalyst 3.0 drivers, DirectX 9
256MB Samsung PC3200 DDR (Cas 3)
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Realtek NIC
20gb 7200rpm hd
40x12x48x LiteOn CDRW
32x CDROM
350w Allied PSU
Windows XP Professional

At this configuration I am getting barely 11k when I overclock my video card.

For some reason though, when I first bought the Radeon 9700Pro I was using an ASUS A7V333 with 256 PC2700 and an AMD XP 1700+, and without overclocking anything was able to get damn near 13k.

I just want to know why with all of this much better equipment, not to mention the fact that I'm actually using the card's AGP 8X capability, I'm barely able to squeak out a score thats thousands of 3dmarks shy of what I was getting with the crappier equipment.

I've tried installing the new 4in1 drivers, I made sure vsync was off, made sure there was not a trace of anything remotely unnecessary running in the background, I made sure my monitor refresh was at 85hz (the most for this res I get) which really shouldn't affect it too much. And I of course made sure AA and AF were off. Any clues guys?

I'm a classic overclocker, been doing it for a couple of years now so I'm pretty bewildered.

Tebore · 01-01-03, 12:33 PM

I heard some ppl who installed DX9 lowered their 3D mark.

Rafterman223 · 01-01-03, 12:51 PM

do you have a lot running in the background? and i'd try old catalyst drivers if you have the DX9 one

nealric · 01-01-03, 12:59 PM

you could always try a fresh install of windows-
you should definetly be getting more-
I do better with my gf4ti4200!

funnyperson1 · 01-01-03, 01:15 PM

did you reformat before putting the card in the new system? also try setting the Agp to 4x there are some problems with the 8x on the early KT400 mobos

KLowD9x · 01-01-03, 01:17 PM

Make sure all of the settings are on performance. Vertical sync should be OFF. AA of course should be off. And everything else to the lowest quality settings. I could only get 13K out of my friends 9700P.

Gravity Man · 01-01-03, 04:56 PM

I noticed your memory is CAS 3. I noticed a subtantial performance hit going from CAS 2 to CAS 3 in 3dmark, even though FSB speeds were much higher with CAS 3.

DDR-PIII · 01-01-03, 05:24 PM

format it and install eveything agian

RangerJoe · 01-01-03, 06:03 PM

gravity man brought up a great point..going from cas 2.5 to cas 2 i gained 500+ points with my gf3 ti200....so imagine goin to cas2 from cas 3....

but i would say go with the formating hard drive and reinstallation idea..thats a winner

deathstar13 · 01-01-03, 07:15 PM

i think everyone has given some good ideas here but i wanted to comment on something you said.
"For some reason though, when I first bought the Radeon 9700Pro I was using an ASUS A7V333 with 256 PC2700 and an AMD XP 1700+, and without overclocking anything was able to get damn near 13k."

even tho you did upgrade with better stuff that doesnt mean bettter perfomance right away.software and settings usually are the culprits here.but if set up it up correctly it bet $$$ i could and others here could make it run just as fast as the new stuff u purchased.

once u get it fixed i mean.and im not saying im better a tweaker its just what u upgraded too, really isnt faster or better.it does have more potentintal tho.

its kinda going back to pinkys post about new hardware http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...hreadid=149942

its a persoal thing so pls dont take this in a bad way.plus once u get this setup just right it will be really fast

Thelemac · 01-02-03, 01:11 AM

Try posting in one of the software sections or video cards. Or the 3dmark section.

01-01-03, 01:48 AM	Thread Starter #1
DaedalusX Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: McConnell Air Force Base, Kansas	Low 3dmark with high end gear Sorry to make a post that might come off like it belongs in the gripes and moans section, but I really take this as a serious concern. To begin here are the specs of the machine in question, as of right now: Abit KD7 motherboard (KT400, AGP 8X) AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.11ghz ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (built by ati), Catalyst 3.0 drivers, DirectX 9 256MB Samsung PC3200 DDR (Cas 3) Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer Realtek NIC 20gb 7200rpm hd 40x12x48x LiteOn CDRW 32x CDROM 350w Allied PSU Windows XP Professional At this configuration I am getting barely 11k when I overclock my video card. For some reason though, when I first bought the Radeon 9700Pro I was using an ASUS A7V333 with 256 PC2700 and an AMD XP 1700+, and without overclocking anything was able to get damn near 13k. I just want to know why with all of this much better equipment, not to mention the fact that I'm actually using the card's AGP 8X capability, I'm barely able to squeak out a score thats thousands of 3dmarks shy of what I was getting with the crappier equipment. I've tried installing the new 4in1 drivers, I made sure vsync was off, made sure there was not a trace of anything remotely unnecessary running in the background, I made sure my monitor refresh was at 85hz (the most for this res I get) which really shouldn't affect it too much. And I of course made sure AA and AF were off. Any clues guys? I'm a classic overclocker, been doing it for a couple of years now so I'm pretty bewildered.

01-01-03, 12:33 PM	#2
Tebore Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Toronto,Canada(I can see you....)	I heard some ppl who installed DX9 lowered their 3D mark. __________________ UMPC: Asus EEE 701(4G) Laptops: Lenovo T60p Servers: IBM XServ Heatware

01-01-03, 12:51 PM	#3
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01-01-03, 12:59 PM	#4
nealric Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: under the floorboards	you could always try a fresh install of windows- you should definetly be getting more- I do better with my gf4ti4200! __________________ I own a computer!

01-01-03, 01:15 PM	#5
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01-01-03, 01:17 PM	#6
KLowD9x Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lugoff, SC	Make sure all of the settings are on performance. Vertical sync should be OFF. AA of course should be off. And everything else to the lowest quality settings. I could only get 13K out of my friends 9700P.

01-01-03, 04:56 PM	#7
Gravity Man Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edina, MN	I noticed your memory is CAS 3. I noticed a subtantial performance hit going from CAS 2 to CAS 3 in 3dmark, even though FSB speeds were much higher with CAS 3.

01-01-03, 05:24 PM	#8
DDR-PIII Disabled Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 6p6	format it and install eveything agian

01-01-03, 06:03 PM	#9
RangerJoe All that is Man! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma	gravity man brought up a great point..going from cas 2.5 to cas 2 i gained 500+ points with my gf3 ti200....so imagine goin to cas2 from cas 3.... but i would say go with the formating hard drive and reinstallation idea..thats a winner __________________ Q6600 @ 2.92ghz --- Asus Striker Extreme Lian Li V2000B---Corsair 620w PSU 8gb DDR2 Patriot (4x2gb)---Samsung Spinpoint T 500gb Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme My name is actually Phillip.

01-01-03, 07:15 PM	#10
deathstar13 FSB FRIEK Join Date: Dec 2001	i think everyone has given some good ideas here but i wanted to comment on something you said. "For some reason though, when I first bought the Radeon 9700Pro I was using an ASUS A7V333 with 256 PC2700 and an AMD XP 1700+, and without overclocking anything was able to get damn near 13k." even tho you did upgrade with better stuff that doesnt mean bettter perfomance right away.software and settings usually are the culprits here.but if set up it up correctly it bet $$$ i could and others here could make it run just as fast as the new stuff u purchased. once u get it fixed i mean.and im not saying im better a tweaker its just what u upgraded too, really isnt faster or better.it does have more potentintal tho. its kinda going back to pinkys post about new hardware http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...hreadid=149942 its a persoal thing so pls dont take this in a bad way.plus once u get this setup just right it will be really fast __________________ Alright Brain, you don't like me, and I don't like you. But lets just do this, and I can get back to killing you with beer. -HJS-

01-02-03, 01:11 AM	#11
Thelemac Administratively Deficient Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Canton, MI	Try posting in one of the software sections or video cards. Or the 3dmark section. __________________ 42 \| Sig Assassin click

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