Overclockers

flixotide · 01-09-03, 06:59 AM

I've been following Stymee's Yatta jr. project a bit, and gone through some of the documentation for it. But I'm honestly not tech enough to work on stuff like that myself.

BUT! If I were to round up the local gang of computer-nuts, would it be possible to build a Yatta with tullys? I prefer the tullys as they are "very cold" compared to other CPU's, and so it would be easier to follow up on my philosophy "keeping things small".

Cheers, Flixotide

Gnerma · 01-09-03, 07:18 AM

What you might gain in space & heat with tualatin's you would lose in cost and folding power. And it all balances out anyway, let me explain.

A tualatin core CPU is not a bad folder, but not a match for a morgan duron and certainly not an XP. I'm not sure exactly of the numbers but if Edward2 sees this I'm sure he will speak up (he folds with I believe 4 tualatins). Let's just say they can fold a WU in about 125% of the time it takes a morgan duron & 150% it takes an XP.

10 node yatta /w tualatins = 1000% of folding power

8 node yatta /w durons = 1000% of folding power

6.66 node yatta /w XP's = 1000% of folding power

Okay so you would not make a yatta this big and I'm not sure of the numbers but do you get what I'm saying? You get much more out of each node with AMD which makes the Yatta smaller.

Then there is the fact that tualatins would probably cost more.

Kaneda · 01-09-03, 07:22 AM

Yeah! what gnerma said!!!

but i didnt understand most of that, might be becuase its very early and im very tired, but check this out

amd = cost less, folds better.
cellerys = cost more, and fold slower.

need i say more?

muddocktor · 01-09-03, 08:10 AM

My experience with the Celly 1.1A in my farm backs up what Gnerma and Kaneda are saying, as far as folding power with Tinker WU's go. The Celeron T is a decent folder but not anywhere near as fast as even the slowest XP. They do much better with Gromacs WU's but who knows when Stanford will work the bugs out of Gromacs and roll out the Gro WU's to the general population. You could buy the Tbred XP1700 for what you will get a cheap Tuleron for and not even overclock it and have a much faster folding node than what the Tuleron will do.

flixotide · 01-09-03, 08:26 AM

Interesting, interesting... I don't know what the prices are over there, but the tullys are about 40-0 bucks, boxed here, for the 1.1 model.

The durons about the same, a tad more though..

Tbreds start at around 100 bucks..

I'd hate to hit the vacuum cleaner sound levels and radiator effect, by going for XP's, that I was I figured the tully to be real optimum. But I have no knowledge of the duron's...

Are Durons warmer?

And what impact does ram have on folding? the mATX boards I'd be opting for are all sdram, and sell at around 60 bucks..

Cheers, FLixotide

cmcquistion · 01-09-03, 12:43 PM

The RAM is negligible to folding power. SDRAM is fine.

Durons run MUCH cooler than XP's, BTW, and fold almost as well, although they don't overclock nearly as high as XP's can.

For example. The average 1.3 GHz Duron can hit about 1.47 GHz on air. The average 1.47 GHz T-bred XP (the cheapest XP out there, right now) can hit about 1.81 GHz on air. Cost per MHz is about the same for both CPU's. When you take into account the number of additional motherboards, etc, needed to make up for the number of additional Durons needed to make up for lower speed, then the XP solution looks a little better.

flixotide · 01-10-03, 03:14 AM

Seems like AMD i for folders, and vice versa...

Thanks for the input guys, I'll see what I make of it.

Cheers and thanks,

Flixotide

Ray44420 · 01-10-03, 07:44 AM

I've run Durons and XPs 24/7 and recently added a Celeron 1500 laptop. This folder is much slower than my Duron 1300. I am waiting on an XP 1700, hopefully i have enough parts to put something together. Right now 1700s aren't much more than Duron 1300s, but these XPs love to fold.

Edward2 · 01-10-03, 08:36 AM

Everyone is correct regarding the fact that AMD's make much better Folders than the Tualatins, and the price of the Tbreds is not that much more. I got my 1800+ Tbred for about $55 from Newegg as a refurb.

My Tbred is running about 22% faster than my 1.4@1.64 Tualatin in terms of GHz, but the Tbred folds about 50% faster. 50% faster may or may not sound like much, but you have to remember that 50% faster "doubles" the points production.

01-09-03, 06:59 AM	#1
flixotide Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark	yatta with celerons? I've been following Stymee's Yatta jr. project a bit, and gone through some of the documentation for it. But I'm honestly not tech enough to work on stuff like that myself. BUT! If I were to round up the local gang of computer-nuts, would it be possible to build a Yatta with tullys? I prefer the tullys as they are "very cold" compared to other CPU's, and so it would be easier to follow up on my philosophy "keeping things small". Cheers, Flixotide __________________ Ethical ancient-folder for Team 32. I'm watching you! Advisor and supporter within young peoples depression and anxiety group. Drop me a PM if you're stuck in the rut and need a boot up. Rate threads you like. Remembering Marco Pantani

01-09-03, 07:18 AM	#2
Gnerma Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bakersfield, CA - USA	What you might gain in space & heat with tualatin's you would lose in cost and folding power. And it all balances out anyway, let me explain. A tualatin core CPU is not a bad folder, but not a match for a morgan duron and certainly not an XP. I'm not sure exactly of the numbers but if Edward2 sees this I'm sure he will speak up (he folds with I believe 4 tualatins). Let's just say they can fold a WU in about 125% of the time it takes a morgan duron & 150% it takes an XP. 10 node yatta /w tualatins = 1000% of folding power 8 node yatta /w durons = 1000% of folding power 6.66 node yatta /w XP's = 1000% of folding power Okay so you would not make a yatta this big and I'm not sure of the numbers but do you get what I'm saying? You get much more out of each node with AMD which makes the Yatta smaller. Then there is the fact that tualatins would probably cost more. __________________ Q6600 G0 (3200mhz) - Asus P5B Deluxe - Sapphire 5870 1gb - X-Fi Fatal1ty 2 x 2gb G-Skill - Seagate 1tb - Corsair HX520W - 3D Aurora 570 ( Heatware )

01-09-03, 07:22 AM	#3
Kaneda Member Join Date: Dec 2001	Yeah! what gnerma said!!! but i didnt understand most of that, might be becuase its very early and im very tired, but check this out amd = cost less, folds better. cellerys = cost more, and fold slower. need i say more? __________________ Heatware the best hackers in the world, are the ones you've never heard of. A7N8X Deluxe w/chipset & memory vmod Unlocked 2500+ Barton GF4TI-4600 Ultra 512mb Mushkin 3500 black level2 Maxtor 40gig ata133 SLK-947U w/ 92mm Tornado

01-09-03, 08:10 AM	#4
muddocktor Offshore Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: On OCForums	My experience with the Celly 1.1A in my farm backs up what Gnerma and Kaneda are saying, as far as folding power with Tinker WU's go. The Celeron T is a decent folder but not anywhere near as fast as even the slowest XP. They do much better with Gromacs WU's but who knows when Stanford will work the bugs out of Gromacs and roll out the Gro WU's to the general population. You could buy the Tbred XP1700 for what you will get a cheap Tuleron for and not even overclock it and have a much faster folding node than what the Tuleron will do. __________________ QX9650@4000, X38-DQ6 mobo, Fuzion v.1 w/dual fan heater core+PA120.3+260GTX/MCW60R2,Iwaki MD20RZ(T), Yate Loon fans Q6600@3600,Foxconn Mars P35, GTZ, D4 w/MCR220-QP Res rad, Swiftech fans 940BE@3813, M3A79-T Dlx, Fuzion v.1, MCP355 w/XSPC res top, PA160, Panaflo L1BX Q6600@3600, P5Q-Pro, GTZ+8800GTS 512/MCW60 w/MCR320-QP Res, MCP355 w/XSPC top, YL D12SM fans E5200@3830, P35-DS3L, Apogee Drive w/D-Tek Pro single fan rad (old school stuff), Delta 3 blade fan E6750@3600, P35-DS3R, mobo dead, RIP Dell E1705 laptop, T-7400 proc, All running Seti or Rosetta My heatware Back out on the rig. I might not be able to get to PM's right away.

01-09-03, 08:26 AM	#5
flixotide Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark	Interesting, interesting... I don't know what the prices are over there, but the tullys are about 40-0 bucks, boxed here, for the 1.1 model. The durons about the same, a tad more though.. Tbreds start at around 100 bucks.. I'd hate to hit the vacuum cleaner sound levels and radiator effect, by going for XP's, that I was I figured the tully to be real optimum. But I have no knowledge of the duron's... Are Durons warmer? And what impact does ram have on folding? the mATX boards I'd be opting for are all sdram, and sell at around 60 bucks.. Cheers, FLixotide __________________ Ethical ancient-folder for Team 32. I'm watching you! Advisor and supporter within young peoples depression and anxiety group. Drop me a PM if you're stuck in the rut and need a boot up. Rate threads you like. Remembering Marco Pantani

Overclockers

Internet Services

Website Development

Tech Hardware

01-09-03, 12:43 PM	#6
cmcquistion IT Director Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tennessee	The RAM is negligible to folding power. SDRAM is fine. Durons run MUCH cooler than XP's, BTW, and fold almost as well, although they don't overclock nearly as high as XP's can. For example. The average 1.3 GHz Duron can hit about 1.47 GHz on air. The average 1.47 GHz T-bred XP (the cheapest XP out there, right now) can hit about 1.81 GHz on air. Cost per MHz is about the same for both CPU's. When you take into account the number of additional motherboards, etc, needed to make up for the number of additional Durons needed to make up for lower speed, then the XP solution looks a little better. __________________ Wanna prove your computer is actually good for something? Why not Fold Proteins for Team 32? Step-by-Step: How to Build a Cheap and Quiet AMD Dually. Step-by-Step: Building a Quiet PC from the Ground Up. Step-by-Step: How to Quiet those Hard Drives. How to remove Spyware and Immunize yourself from future infection. Please read and obey the Signature Rules. Last edited by cmcquistion; 01-09-03 at 12:55 PM.

01-10-03, 03:14 AM	#7
flixotide Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark	Seems like AMD i for folders, and vice versa... Thanks for the input guys, I'll see what I make of it. Cheers and thanks, Flixotide __________________ Ethical ancient-folder for Team 32. I'm watching you! Advisor and supporter within young peoples depression and anxiety group. Drop me a PM if you're stuck in the rut and need a boot up. Rate threads you like. Remembering Marco Pantani

01-10-03, 07:44 AM	#8
Ray44420 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OH	I've run Durons and XPs 24/7 and recently added a Celeron 1500 laptop. This folder is much slower than my Duron 1300. I am waiting on an XP 1700, hopefully i have enough parts to put something together. Right now 1700s aren't much more than Duron 1300s, but these XPs love to fold. __________________ Folding Specs: Full Time XP2200 Server 2000, Sempron 3000+ Server 2000 P4 3.0E@3000 XP Pro, Athlon64x2 3600+ XP Home, Sempron 3400+ Server 2000, Celeron 2.6 Win XP Home

01-10-03, 08:36 AM	#9
Edward2 Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Folding@Home in Ball Ground, GA	Everyone is correct regarding the fact that AMD's make much better Folders than the Tualatins, and the price of the Tbreds is not that much more. I got my 1800+ Tbred for about $55 from Newegg as a refurb. My Tbred is running about 22% faster than my 1.4@1.64 Tualatin in terms of GHz, but the Tbred folds about 50% faster. 50% faster may or may not sound like much, but you have to remember that 50% faster "doubles" the points production. __________________ FOLDING FOR A CURE WITH TEAM 32!!! .... Check us out and see what all the excitement is about. Q9300 @ 2.5GHz, Asus P5Q Pro, 4GB (22) OCZ Platinum DDR2-1066, GTX285 @ 1620 shaders, OCZ Vendetta 2, PC P&C 750W E6750 @ 3.0GHz, MSI P6N Diamond, 4GB (22) OCZ Platinum DDR2-1066, 4* 8800GTS G92 @ 1890 shaders, AC Freezer Pro, Corsair 850W E2180 @ 3.0GHz, MSI P6N Diamond, 4GB (22) Kingston ValueRam DDR2-800, 4 8800GT G92 @ 1838 shaders, Intel heatsink, PC P&C 750W P4-2.4B @ 2.4GHz, Biostar P4M900-M4, 2GB Kingston DDR2-667, 9800GX2 @ 1782 shaders, Intel heatsink, OCZ ModXStream 700W Rigs 1-2 running XP Pro x64. Rigs 3-4 shutdown for the summer.