Various Temp Questions

Goronae · 04-23-03, 09:36 AM

This is my first post so dont get all ragged on me if I dont understand something. 1. I've been doing some looking around and decided I want to buy a slk-800u for my p4 2.0 northwood. Right now with the stock heatsink/fan combo im running 40 idle and 52 load. My mom wanted to know about the things I was doing so she did some research. Her conclusion is that since the p4 doesnt care (what I mean by that is adjust the fan speed to protect it) until the cpu is running around 65 and doesnt shut off till 120 she believes there is no difference. My mom wants me to convince her there is a difference in the computers preformance between having a cpu at much lower temperatures and keeping my stock heatsink/fan. For all I know im wrong so I decided to ask you guys. 2. Also im putting my comp in the a microwave, not nuking it but dremeling out all the stuff and mounting thinds. Do you guys know any places where I could get spare drive trays to put inside. Also my other idea is to take a 150watt psu from an old old computer and run the fans off that while another psu runs the mobo and drives. Since there is enough space for both to cool sufficiently would this be a good idea or not?

Thanks alot for reading this and if you have any questions/suggestions/comments please post them.

Cheesy Peas · 04-23-03, 09:52 AM

well, having a coller running CPU isnt going to affect the performance of your pc. However, having a better hsf combination and therefore better cooling, you will be able to run cpu faster, while still maintaining good temps. this is were overclocking comes in, and the addiction

.

About the microwave thing, your better off looking around in the alternative modding forum http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/forumd...?s=&forumid=20 they will be able to help you out alot more.

what motherboard do you have? if you know what it is then go to the forum for it and ask around in there for overclocking tips etc etc.

So in a way better cooling can make your system run faster, but you have to fiddle with it, buts its easy

DarkJediSleikas · 04-23-03, 10:32 AM

Welcome to the forums.

It won't be necessary to have two power supplies. You would be much better off having one larger power supply. Besides, all of your fans almost certainly won't consume more than 20W, which isn't enough to give it its own power supply.

Lowering temps alone won't improve performance, but it will allow you to overclock the processor more, which DOES improve performance.

Goronae · 04-23-03, 03:10 PM

I have a question now about the real/fake(?) speed of a precessor. my 2.0 I assume doesnt run quite at 2.0 but at somewhere around 1.7 why is this true?

Cheesy Peas · 04-23-03, 03:12 PM

thats not true. Thats only AMD cpus.

You see, and amd cpu does more work per clock cycle, so they came up with a performance rating based on similar performance to intel chips.

EG my XP1800 runs (at stock

)at 1533 MHz, but it is as fast as a pentium 4 running at 2000mhz, due to it doing more work per cpu cycle.

rogerdugans · 04-23-03, 04:01 PM

Welcome to the Forums (and the addiction

)

A better heatsink will give you lower temps.
Lower temps allow you to overclock your chip more OR run at stock speeds with a cooler chip.

Even if you do NOT choose to overclock (some people don't for some reason

) a cooler cpu is more likely to last longer.

I am not too familiar with all permutations of P4s, but Thermal Throttling kicks in when some (?) of them get too hot: this slows DOWN the chip so it will run cooler. A better heatsink may not speed your pc up, but it could prevent it from slowing down, and thats a good thing

Goronae · 04-23-03, 04:11 PM

I did some research on the thermal throttling the cpu basically locks up for 2-3 milliseconds and runs for 2-3 milliseconds over and over therefore reducing cpu preformance by 50% giving the cooling time to catch up. I want to OC to 2.4 on my Asus P4S533 what core voltage should I have. And i neep a program to OC my radeon 9000 (sapphire 128). Also where do you guys get ramsinks for your video mem?

Cheesy Peas · 04-23-03, 04:20 PM

hey, there are other forums other than the general cooling you know. Go ahead and fire away in one of them, youll get a better answer in a specific forum.

theres:
Intel CPU's
Asus Intel Boards
ATI Video Cards

Were all Here To help.

and

Comes in Handy too!

Damian · 04-23-03, 04:41 PM

I cut two old heatsinks into quarters to make RAMsinks.

04-23-03, 09:36 AM	Thread Starter #1
Goronae Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Area	Various Temp Questions This is my first post so dont get all ragged on me if I dont understand something. 1. I've been doing some looking around and decided I want to buy a slk-800u for my p4 2.0 northwood. Right now with the stock heatsink/fan combo im running 40 idle and 52 load. My mom wanted to know about the things I was doing so she did some research. Her conclusion is that since the p4 doesnt care (what I mean by that is adjust the fan speed to protect it) until the cpu is running around 65 and doesnt shut off till 120 she believes there is no difference. My mom wants me to convince her there is a difference in the computers preformance between having a cpu at much lower temperatures and keeping my stock heatsink/fan. For all I know im wrong so I decided to ask you guys. 2. Also im putting my comp in the a microwave, not nuking it but dremeling out all the stuff and mounting thinds. Do you guys know any places where I could get spare drive trays to put inside. Also my other idea is to take a 150watt psu from an old old computer and run the fans off that while another psu runs the mobo and drives. Since there is enough space for both to cool sufficiently would this be a good idea or not? Thanks alot for reading this and if you have any questions/suggestions/comments please post them.
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 09:52 AM	#2
Cheesy Peas Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rotherham,UK	well, having a coller running CPU isnt going to affect the performance of your pc. However, having a better hsf combination and therefore better cooling, you will be able to run cpu faster, while still maintaining good temps. this is were overclocking comes in, and the addiction . About the microwave thing, your better off looking around in the alternative modding forum http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/forumd...?s=&forumid=20 they will be able to help you out alot more. what motherboard do you have? if you know what it is then go to the forum for it and ask around in there for overclocking tips etc etc. So in a way better cooling can make your system run faster, but you have to fiddle with it, buts its easy
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 10:32 AM	#3
DarkJediSleikas Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milwaukee School of Engineering	Welcome to the forums. It won't be necessary to have two power supplies. You would be much better off having one larger power supply. Besides, all of your fans almost certainly won't consume more than 20W, which isn't enough to give it its own power supply. Lowering temps alone won't improve performance, but it will allow you to overclock the processor more, which DOES improve performance.
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 03:10 PM	Thread Starter #4
Goronae Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Area	I have a question now about the real/fake(?) speed of a precessor. my 2.0 I assume doesnt run quite at 2.0 but at somewhere around 1.7 why is this true?
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 03:12 PM	#5
Cheesy Peas Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rotherham,UK	thats not true. Thats only AMD cpus. You see, and amd cpu does more work per clock cycle, so they came up with a performance rating based on similar performance to intel chips. EG my XP1800 runs (at stock )at 1533 MHz, but it is as fast as a pentium 4 running at 2000mhz, due to it doing more work per cpu cycle.
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04-23-03, 04:01 PM	#6
rogerdugans Linux challenged Senior, not that it stops me... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Corner of No and Where	Welcome to the Forums (and the addiction ) A better heatsink will give you lower temps. Lower temps allow you to overclock your chip more OR run at stock speeds with a cooler chip. Even if you do NOT choose to overclock (some people don't for some reason ) a cooler cpu is more likely to last longer. I am not too familiar with all permutations of P4s, but Thermal Throttling kicks in when some (?) of them get too hot: this slows DOWN the chip so it will run cooler. A better heatsink may not speed your pc up, but it could prevent it from slowing down, and thats a good thing __________________ Still overclocked and running linux on watercooled computers after all these years.
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04-23-03, 04:11 PM	Thread Starter #7
Goronae Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Area	I did some research on the thermal throttling the cpu basically locks up for 2-3 milliseconds and runs for 2-3 milliseconds over and over therefore reducing cpu preformance by 50% giving the cooling time to catch up. I want to OC to 2.4 on my Asus P4S533 what core voltage should I have. And i neep a program to OC my radeon 9000 (sapphire 128). Also where do you guys get ramsinks for your video mem?
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 04:20 PM	#8
Cheesy Peas Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rotherham,UK	hey, there are other forums other than the general cooling you know. Go ahead and fire away in one of them, youll get a better answer in a specific forum. theres: Intel CPU's Asus Intel Boards ATI Video Cards Were all Here To help. andComes in Handy too!
	QUOTE Thanks

04-23-03, 04:41 PM	#9
Damian Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Acton, MA	I cut two old heatsinks into quarters to make RAMsinks.
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