Duallie help

dugans · 07-30-01, 10:21 PM

I want to speed up my pc, cheap! This one is a dual P-II @ 400, with 512 mb ram on a SuperMicro mainboard. Jumpers don't work for clock speed (locked cpu's?) I have tried SoftFSB but can't get it to take: I don't know PLL chipset. Any advice? Suggestions? Or is this a lost cause?! MAchine runs well with Win2k, but more is ALWAYS better!

Shadow ÒÓ · 07-30-01, 10:28 PM

Welcome to the forums!

Dual boards can be difficult if not impossible to Overclock. Seek out Jon.....he's the dual expert.

This'll also be moved to "Intel Motherboards" Topic soon.

Jon · 07-30-01, 10:32 PM

You have the Intel 440GX chipset on one of the P6DG series boards if that's what you need to know for SoftFSB.

Unfortunately, it probably won't help you any. These boards ran at a top FSB of 100, so you have no more room. Can't change the multiplier on Pentiums either.

Hate being the bearer of bad news...

Jon · 07-30-01, 10:36 PM

Haha, seek no further. Anyways, WELCOME TO THE FORUM! !

This sucks...tell a guy on his first post he can't overclock. :[

DON'T LEAVE THOUGH!

This is the best forum on the net and we can help you with anything else you could possibly want. I had the exact same problem with a Compaq dual P3 350 when I first came here...been stuck ever since, haha.

dugans · 07-31-01, 05:05 AM

Hey, no big deal; I tried just about everything I could think of to no avail. I feel better having failed now that you folks have told me it is an impossibility!
I'll just have to stick with system tweaks to speed things up. Thanks.

Hookem · 08-03-01, 12:01 AM

I wished somebody else in here was trying to get dually information...I am finding system part's list and discussion of dually system's scarce...Ain't no life no where....

Kingslayer · 08-03-01, 08:41 AM

Not too many of us run duals. I run them. I have run them for 3 years and I won't go back. But there is alot to consider when going dual.

Price. You have to buy two of everything.
Compatibility. Your choices of OS are limited. Some people don't want the hasle of an NT based system. Most don't know Linux.
Programs. Not many programs out there can handle SMP. Most games don't. Most apps dont.

So why spend the extra money on another CPU if 90% of the time you don't use it?

I love it. I love the extra speed in Windows. I love to be able to burn a CD and still surf the internet and not burn coasters. I use Photoshop and Corel Draw very often, I like to work with video and sound. So to me it pays off. And not to mention, when the guy down the street brags that he just got a brand new 1 Gigahertz CPU I can say "Whoopy, I got two!"

Hookem · 08-03-01, 10:36 AM

Well KingSlayer what do you think of a Pentium 3 system using the Iwill DVD266-R for a mid priced graphics workstation until the Athlon MP and Intel stuff stabilizes???

Kingslayer · 08-03-01, 02:55 PM

Theoretically it should be the fastest dual board out there, considering it runs DDR. But I haven't seen one benchmarked and reviewed by anyone I trust.

I have been watching this board for a while now. I have sworn that I won't run anything but Abit. But if this board benches as well as it should, and is stable, and is a good overclocking platform, then I will drop Abit because I am tired of their lack of support on anything.

And what do you mean "until" AMD gets it together. I don't think they will. I have seen benchmarks from Dual AMD's and I'm not the least but impressed. The CPU benches were lower at 1080 than mine at 1002.

burn'em · 08-03-01, 07:06 PM

I just started playing with Dual CPU. I have a Compaq Server with Duals and a Dual PII450 machine. I'm not going back either. I'm thinking Dual Xeons for my next one.

Dual PPro 200
Dual PII 450
Athlon 1.2
P4 1.5
PIII 1.0

Kingslayer · 08-03-01, 09:29 PM

I've been looking around at some benchmarks of that Iwill. I'm not being impressed like I thought I would. The memory benches just don't jive with DDR. It's not that much better than SDRAM. I'm seeing a 5 to 15% increase in memory benchmarks and thats it. One site even had memory scores lower than my PC-133@167Mhz.

I would wait until they get that IWill optomized.

Mictlan · 08-03-01, 11:37 PM

You are right. The DDR is not that impressive with the PIII. The problem is that the memory bus of the PIII is locked at around 1.0 Gbytes of data transfer. This is aprox. the data transfered from a SDRAM module. That way you won't get to use the 2.1 GB of data than a PC266 can give you.

I have found several review of the Iwill DVD-266 mobo. And almost all of them, give you this information. Only 5-8% of incresed performance over an SDRAM mobo.

07-30-01, 10:21 PM	Thread Starter #1
dugans Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: someplace	Duallie help I want to speed up my pc, cheap! This one is a dual P-II @ 400, with 512 mb ram on a SuperMicro mainboard. Jumpers don't work for clock speed (locked cpu's?) I have tried SoftFSB but can't get it to take: I don't know PLL chipset. Any advice? Suggestions? Or is this a lost cause?! MAchine runs well with Win2k, but more is ALWAYS better!
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07-30-01, 10:28 PM	#2
Shadow ÒÓ Mod in Hiding Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Pensacola, Florida USA	Welcome to the forums! Dual boards can be difficult if not impossible to Overclock. Seek out Jon.....he's the dual expert. This'll also be moved to "Intel Motherboards" Topic soon. __________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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07-30-01, 10:32 PM	#3
Jon Just Another Retired Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Lawrenceville, GA	You have the Intel 440GX chipset on one of the P6DG series boards if that's what you need to know for SoftFSB. Unfortunately, it probably won't help you any. These boards ran at a top FSB of 100, so you have no more room. Can't change the multiplier on Pentiums either. Hate being the bearer of bad news... __________________ theHTPC.net CheapCritic.com
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07-30-01, 10:36 PM	#4
Jon Just Another Retired Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Lawrenceville, GA	Haha, seek no further. Anyways, WELCOME TO THE FORUM! ! This sucks...tell a guy on his first post he can't overclock. :[ DON'T LEAVE THOUGH! This is the best forum on the net and we can help you with anything else you could possibly want. I had the exact same problem with a Compaq dual P3 350 when I first came here...been stuck ever since, haha. __________________ theHTPC.net CheapCritic.com
	QUOTE Thanks

07-31-01, 05:05 AM	Thread Starter #5
dugans Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: someplace	Hey, no big deal; I tried just about everything I could think of to no avail. I feel better having failed now that you folks have told me it is an impossibility! I'll just have to stick with system tweaks to speed things up. Thanks.
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08-03-01, 12:01 AM	#6
Hookem Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston Texas	I wished somebody else in here was trying to get dually information...I am finding system part's list and discussion of dually system's scarce...Ain't no life no where.... __________________ If you build it...They will come...and I will crash it!!! Switching to Intel Antec 300, Corsair HX5650W, Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, Intel Q9550, Thermalright SI-128-SE, 2x4 G.Skiell PC64000 DDR2, XFX 4890, 640 Black OS Drive, 2 640 Blacks RAID-0, Audiotrak Prodigy HD2, Vantec SATA EzSwap, Mitsumi floppy, Lian-Li card reader, Lian Li T4, Dell E198WFP, AudioEngine 5 speakers. In progress build.
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08-03-01, 08:41 AM	#7
Kingslayer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida	Not too many of us run duals. I run them. I have run them for 3 years and I won't go back. But there is alot to consider when going dual. Price. You have to buy two of everything. Compatibility. Your choices of OS are limited. Some people don't want the hasle of an NT based system. Most don't know Linux. Programs. Not many programs out there can handle SMP. Most games don't. Most apps dont. So why spend the extra money on another CPU if 90% of the time you don't use it? I love it. I love the extra speed in Windows. I love to be able to burn a CD and still surf the internet and not burn coasters. I use Photoshop and Corel Draw very often, I like to work with video and sound. So to me it pays off. And not to mention, when the guy down the street brags that he just got a brand new 1 Gigahertz CPU I can say "Whoopy, I got two!" __________________ "Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem" Ronald Reagan Proud member of the XDC
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08-03-01, 10:36 AM	#8
Hookem Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston Texas	Well KingSlayer what do you think of a Pentium 3 system using the Iwill DVD266-R for a mid priced graphics workstation until the Athlon MP and Intel stuff stabilizes??? __________________ If you build it...They will come...and I will crash it!!! Switching to Intel Antec 300, Corsair HX5650W, Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, Intel Q9550, Thermalright SI-128-SE, 2x4 G.Skiell PC64000 DDR2, XFX 4890, 640 Black OS Drive, 2 640 Blacks RAID-0, Audiotrak Prodigy HD2, Vantec SATA EzSwap, Mitsumi floppy, Lian-Li card reader, Lian Li T4, Dell E198WFP, AudioEngine 5 speakers. In progress build.
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08-03-01, 02:55 PM	#9
Kingslayer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida	Theoretically it should be the fastest dual board out there, considering it runs DDR. But I haven't seen one benchmarked and reviewed by anyone I trust. I have been watching this board for a while now. I have sworn that I won't run anything but Abit. But if this board benches as well as it should, and is stable, and is a good overclocking platform, then I will drop Abit because I am tired of their lack of support on anything. And what do you mean "until" AMD gets it together. I don't think they will. I have seen benchmarks from Dual AMD's and I'm not the least but impressed. The CPU benches were lower at 1080 than mine at 1002. __________________ "Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem" Ronald Reagan Proud member of the XDC
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08-03-01, 07:06 PM	#10
burn'em Registered Join Date: Apr 2001	I just started playing with Dual CPU. I have a Compaq Server with Duals and a Dual PII450 machine. I'm not going back either. I'm thinking Dual Xeons for my next one. Dual PPro 200 Dual PII 450 Athlon 1.2 P4 1.5 PIII 1.0
	QUOTE Thanks

08-03-01, 09:29 PM	#11
Kingslayer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida	I've been looking around at some benchmarks of that Iwill. I'm not being impressed like I thought I would. The memory benches just don't jive with DDR. It's not that much better than SDRAM. I'm seeing a 5 to 15% increase in memory benchmarks and thats it. One site even had memory scores lower than my PC-133@167Mhz. I would wait until they get that IWill optomized. __________________ "Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem" Ronald Reagan Proud member of the XDC
	QUOTE Thanks

08-03-01, 11:37 PM	#12
Mictlan Senior OC BOINC User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mexico City, Mexico	You are right. The DDR is not that impressive with the PIII. The problem is that the memory bus of the PIII is locked at around 1.0 Gbytes of data transfer. This is aprox. the data transfered from a SDRAM module. That way you won't get to use the 2.1 GB of data than a PC266 can give you. I have found several review of the Iwill DVD-266 mobo. And almost all of them, give you this information. Only 5-8% of incresed performance over an SDRAM mobo. __________________ Have you checked the Forum policies?!!!!! Do it now!!!!! Currently the 11th team in the world in SETI@Home II (aka S@H BOINC) Currently the 54th team in the world in Einstein@Home Join the ONLY team to crunch for!!!!! Now backed up by the Danish Jedi Alliance "We are a team. We are a community. We are a fellowship made strong by mutual respect and shared dedication to the task of enriching all who come here. We are respectable, for we share our bounty. We will endure, for we continue to grow. We will continue to grow as long as those who come to us find what they need for their own betterment, and the betterment of those who follow after them."
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