[silentfire]

okay, im getting a little tired of my 1900 pally and i think its time for a upgrade. Ive pretty much decided on the ABIT NF7-S mobo, but im still unsure of what processor to purchase. At first i thought if getting the 2500 barton, but then i saw the stock speeds of the 2700 and 2800. which do u recommend form a overclocking stand point and from a non overclocking stand point. And if i do end up overclocking it , it would be minor, probably with the stock hsf. I figured the 2700 and 2800 would likely be better o/cers b/c they are t-bred's.

[Kdog154]

For overclocking- 1700+ tbred (will oc to around 2.0-2.4) or the 2500+ Barton

Non-overclocking- The highest speed you want. So 2800+.

[amdperson]

Originally posted by Kdog154
Non-overclocking- The highest speed you want. So 2800+.

Wouldnt you want to get a 3200+ instead

[rugbyroy]

yeah, if you're looking to spend an arm and a leg, and get ripped off in the process

[altec]

If you are wanting the best for overclocking and not overclocking, then I would go for the 2500. It has a reasonable stock speed, and will overclcok very very well. If you want something that is a little bit faster out of the box, check out the 2700.

[zabomb4163]

Originally posted by Kdog154


Non-overclocking- The highest speed you want. So 2800+.

..........if anyone is willing to spend 2800+ money then they should go intel. I'm sorry but, the only thing amd owns is the budget category. We all know a 2400(800bus) would own a 2800.

~back on topic~
I suggest the 2500+. I got mine to 2300 on stock voltage.

[7keys]

The Athlon 1700's are achieving speeds as high as 2.5GHz on air and are better than the higher speed chips.

It is believed that because the Low End Tbred cores are binned to run from a lower voltage of 1.5V. From the lower voltage, multiplier setting they have a more stable base to overclock from, based upon it's low default speed.

Those who purchased High End Tbred’s don’t experience the same overclocking performance.

Cores binned for the lower voltage requirements are the overclocking champs.

[Yuriman]

I got mine to 2300 on stock as well. At first it did 2400 stock, but not any more. Anyway, I run it at 12.5x166 all day, a $90 2800+.

[silentfire]

thanks for the help, thats what i was looking for. So i should go intel then? But it just seems wrong.

[zabomb4163]

I didn't say go intel unconditionally. I said go intel if your going to spend 170$ on a processor. I'm not trying to shoot amd in the back, but a 2400p4 will beat anything amd has to offer. The selling point of amd is that it is cheaper.

If you go amd..........buy a 1700+ or 2500+ and save 80$
if you go intel..........buy a 2400 for around 160-170

i really advice against buying ANY amd chips above 2500+, after that intel chips are better buy

[Gautam]

Ditto.

Those who purchased High End Tbred’s don’t experience the same overclocking performance.

Not quite true. The higher ends have a lower absolute overclock, but end up at about the same place as the 1700+'s. The older 1700+'s were worse since they needed the same amount of voltage to do lower speeds than the higher ones. The DLT3C's need less to do less, so theoretically the same amount to perform the same.

I think zabomb hit the nail on the head. As long as you don't have strong loyalties to AMD, you really shouldn't be spending over $100 on any AMD processor; it simply isn't worth it.

[silentfire]

okay cool, so this is what im planning to get for my upgrade
ill go AMD (yes!!!)
1) get the athlon 2500
2)abit NF7-S (ill try for the rev2 if i can find)
3)and some pc3200 memory , what do u recommend samsung, kingmax, or ocz?
and since im going with a cheaper cpu than i originally thought maybe ill get something better than the stock HSF, but i need it to be silent. any ideas? also what kind of o/c can i expect? also what is the diff between the rev2 and the regular one?

[silentfire]

i was thinking a slk 800 with a vantec 60mm stealth

[Gautam]

1) Nice
2) Excaliberpc.com guarantees revision 2
3) I'd wait until newegg gets Buffalo ram back in stock, else go with this stuff.

The earlier revisions have BIOS corruption issues every now and then, and generally don't do quite as well as the revision 2's, since the 2's are guaranteed to do 200mhz.
An SLK800U would be your best choice. Pair it up with a low rpm 92mm fan, and you should get the best sound/performance ratio. Look in the general cooling section for more info. With a little luck, you could get around 2.5ghz.

[Gautam]

60mm fans are loud, loud, loud!!! You want to make usage of the largest fan possible to get the most performance for the noise level. The SLK800 officially can take up to 80mm, but you can bend its clips to fit a 92mm fan.

[zabomb4163]

get a Sk-7 and smartfan2 from SVC for 34$ shipped like i did

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by silentfire
okay cool, so this is what im planning to get for my upgrade
ill go AMD (yes!!!)
1) get the athlon 2500
2)abit NF7-S (ill try for the rev2 if i can find)
3)and some pc3200 memory , what do u recommend samsung, kingmax, or ocz?
and since im going with a cheaper cpu than i originally thought maybe ill get something better than the stock HSF, but i need it to be silent. any ideas? also what kind of o/c can i expect? also what is the diff between the rev2 and the regular one?

SLK-700 or 800 with either a Tt2 fan or if you don't care about the noise...a 92mm Tornado...also...PC3200 Hyper X (Kingston)...2x256...you will see a nice increase in games when running DC...especially when playing like BF1942 or other heavy memory games...DC means dual channel memory...and with dual channel memory a game will not have to wait for the single memory controller to finish with the task...it will swap back and forth between memory controllers...which will make a differnce...

[silentfire]

well, ive changed my mind again. I think im gonna go with the 1700, there is a store near me that is selling the DLT3C's for 109 canadian dollars. Ive noticed that most people get around 2.2-2.5 on air, what can i expect from water cooling?

[RedDawg41]

1st of all, how have you done before with watercooling? if your watercooling is setup correctly, then you should findyourself having no problems at all with the xp1700... just check out the watercooler guys in the other forums to see what they've done, if not differently from you.

[silentfire]

no i havent watercooled b4 but i have done some research into how it works and i was just wondering how much i would get out of the 1700 if it were watercooled.