4600 vs 9600

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 12:25 AM

Hey guys,
I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I have to ask. I currently have an MSI gforce 4 4600 and enjoy it a lot. My friend said he will sell me his new (still in box and everything) radeon 9600 Pro 128 retail for 75 bucks. I'm curious if this card is that much better than my 4600? I know it is but should I sell the card and get something else (I'm in college and have no money).
I'm just curious to see what everyone else thinks. I score 16600 in 3dmark 01 currently.

Evnas · 01-15-04, 12:29 AM

keep the Ti4600...its a faster card

bchur83 · 01-15-04, 12:31 AM

The 9600 will do better in DX9 games. As for the 3DMark01, the 9600 will score lower, but that is based on DX8. Run 3DMark03, and you will see that you card doesn't score very high. This is where the 9600 will shine, in DX9. Overall, if you plan to play DX9 games, like HL2, then I would get at least the 9600, 9700, or 9800 series cards.

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 12:38 AM

yeah, i am concerned about the dx9 stuff. I want to play new games, but I dunno if I should save for a 9800 or something?

bchur83 · 01-15-04, 12:41 AM

The 9800 would be way better than the 9600, if you can afford it, go that route. The 9600 is limited because of 4 pipelines vs the 9800's 8 pipe architecture. Save up for the 9800, it would be a better buy.

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 12:43 AM

yeah, I know the 9800 is way faster, but being in college and owning a jeep and a mustang kinda sets you back a bit, lol. I'll be saving till next x-mas.

Oh, BTW, thanks for the replies, and holy cow that was fast.

bchur83 · 01-15-04, 12:50 AM

Hey thats why we are here, to help out others. The 9600 is a great mid range card. Me, personally, I have owned a BBA 9600Pro and a BBA AIW 9600pro, so I like the 9600 series of cards. They are great for mild gaming.

Overclocker550 · 01-15-04, 01:31 AM

wow nice ti4600 score! get the 9600 pro dude! $75 is cheap! then sell the 9600 pro if you dont like it. if you do, sell whatever you dont want to keep. worth trying it out

Evnas · 01-15-04, 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by bchur83
The 9600 will do better in DX9 games. As for the 3DMark01, the 9600 will score lower, but that is based on DX8. Run 3DMark03, and you will see that you card doesn't score very high. This is where the 9600 will shine, in DX9. Overall, if you plan to play DX9 games, like HL2, then I would get at least the 9600, 9700, or 9800 series cards.

The reason it scores low in 3DMark 2k3 is because it cant run the DX 9 tests, which severly lowers it (just like in 2k1, the GF4MX took a big hit because it couldnt run the nature test)

There wont be any performance loss in DX 9 games because the Ti4600 doesnt use it. Any games coming out in the near future also contain DX 8 coding...the only difference will be the lack of PS and VS 2.0 visuals (which will be substituted for PS and VS 1.4)

Most likely, the 9600 Pro will also be slower when actually running HL2/Doom 3 when compared to the Ti4600

In short, dont worry about DX 9...it will be another year or so (at least) before it becomes a requirement of games

AK50 · 01-15-04, 03:00 AM

buy it than sell both and get an even better card

Overclocker550 · 01-15-04, 04:41 AM

this is why im holding onto my ti4200 for a long while and I doubt dx9 will be reqired anytime soon. even now many games will run on a dx7 card, even hl2 will but the visuals wont be so pretty

Steven4563 · 01-15-04, 05:21 AM

keep your TI4600 if u like playing games with AA and AF save up and get a 9800pro

AK50 thats not a bad idea get the otherone and then sell both off them

Como · 01-15-04, 08:08 AM

so a ti 4600 with bga ram would be faster than a 9600 pro with bga ram? i've been wondering myself. i see a 4600 with bga in the refurbs pretty often, in my range...about...and the 9600 pro with bga is in there sometimes too. lil cheaper, but i want raw fps, and a lil eye candy...

Steven4563 · 01-15-04, 10:19 AM

then the Ti4600 is for u

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 10:46 AM

wow,
lots of replies this morning. Well I should have mentioned another part to this story. I told my brother and sister if they pitched in 50 bucks for me, I would either buy them the 9600 card and keep mine or buy it for myself and give them mine. So that throws out the selling both cards theory.
I think I'll keep the 4600 for myself and try and oc it some more (anyone have any good ideas for that, I have a TT fan/ramsinks on it now).

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 10:50 AM

oh yeah, another question for you guys. I've heard that 9600's overclock like mad. Any merit to this rumor? If so, can it oc enough to make it worth getting over the 4600?

PingSpike · 01-15-04, 11:03 AM

I'd keep the 4600 if I were you. Its the faster card, and what good are dx9 features if a game runs to slow to be playable? In the future, that speed edge may be the difference between playable and not playable.

The 9600 is a great card, don't get me wrong. But I personally don't really care about the eye candy much, so long as it runs fast and looks ok.

snyper1982 · 01-15-04, 12:05 PM

yeah, since you already own the 4600, its not really a smart upgrade to go to the 9600.

custom90gt · 01-15-04, 12:42 PM

well basically its a free "upgrade" I'm going to give my brother and sister 25 bucks and a card either way. I'm just trying to figure out which would be a better card for me to keep. If i can oc the 9600 to score good then I'll do that.

violineb · 01-15-04, 01:34 PM

Well as far as the 9600pro goes for DX 9 games. Even my 9700 np lags badly in Halo. That's not saying much considering how Halo doesn't use resources well but if you want a DX 9 card to play DX9 games the way the should be played (on high settings

then I suggest you either save for a 9800pro or buy and sell

$75 is a steal in any case though.

01-15-04, 12:25 AM	Thread Starter #1
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	4600 vs 9600 Hey guys, I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I have to ask. I currently have an MSI gforce 4 4600 and enjoy it a lot. My friend said he will sell me his new (still in box and everything) radeon 9600 Pro 128 retail for 75 bucks. I'm curious if this card is that much better than my 4600? I know it is but should I sell the card and get something else (I'm in college and have no money). I'm just curious to see what everyone else thinks. I score 16600 in 3dmark 01 currently. __________________ Desktop \| i5 3570k @ 4.8GHz \| 16GB Ripjaws \| 2x 128GB Samsung 830 Raid 0 \| GTX 670 @ ???/???? \| 2408WFP \| Lenovo X230 \| i7-3520M \| 16GB \| 256GB Crucial M4 msata \| 12.5" IPS \| HP Mediasmart EX490 \| E5300 \| 4GB Mushkin \| 6TB space, but could use more \| Back home again.
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01-15-04, 12:29 AM	#2
Evnas Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	keep the Ti4600...its a faster card
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01-15-04, 12:31 AM	#3
bchur83 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes	The 9600 will do better in DX9 games. As for the 3DMark01, the 9600 will score lower, but that is based on DX8. Run 3DMark03, and you will see that you card doesn't score very high. This is where the 9600 will shine, in DX9. Overall, if you plan to play DX9 games, like HL2, then I would get at least the 9600, 9700, or 9800 series cards. __________________ Main Rig: Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 * Core i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz * 8GB (2x 4GB) Mushkin Blackline PC3-1600 * GeForce GTX 560TI 448 1280MB * 6TB Storage * LG BD/RW * Lian-Li PC-V2000B * Dell 24" 2407FPW & Asus 24" VS248H Backup Rig: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P * C2Q Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz * 4GB (2x 2GB) G-Skill PC2-8000 * Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB * 320GB Storage * Samsung SH-S203N DVD+/-RW * Apex Full Tower Case * 2x Dell 19" LCD HTPC: Abit IP35PRO * C2D E6600 @ Stock * 2GB G-Skill PC6400 * Geforce 8600GT 256MB * 640GB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-ROM * 55" Samsung 1080p 3D LED LCD via HDMI Media Server: DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D * A64 3800+ X2 * 1GB PC3200 * Powercolor X800XL * 14TB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-RW Heatware
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01-15-04, 12:38 AM	Thread Starter #4
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	yeah, i am concerned about the dx9 stuff. I want to play new games, but I dunno if I should save for a 9800 or something?
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01-15-04, 12:41 AM	#5
bchur83 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes	The 9800 would be way better than the 9600, if you can afford it, go that route. The 9600 is limited because of 4 pipelines vs the 9800's 8 pipe architecture. Save up for the 9800, it would be a better buy. __________________ Main Rig: Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 * Core i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz * 8GB (2x 4GB) Mushkin Blackline PC3-1600 * GeForce GTX 560TI 448 1280MB * 6TB Storage * LG BD/RW * Lian-Li PC-V2000B * Dell 24" 2407FPW & Asus 24" VS248H Backup Rig: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P * C2Q Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz * 4GB (2x 2GB) G-Skill PC2-8000 * Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB * 320GB Storage * Samsung SH-S203N DVD+/-RW * Apex Full Tower Case * 2x Dell 19" LCD HTPC: Abit IP35PRO * C2D E6600 @ Stock * 2GB G-Skill PC6400 * Geforce 8600GT 256MB * 640GB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-ROM * 55" Samsung 1080p 3D LED LCD via HDMI Media Server: DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D * A64 3800+ X2 * 1GB PC3200 * Powercolor X800XL * 14TB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-RW Heatware
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01-15-04, 12:43 AM	Thread Starter #6
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	yeah, I know the 9800 is way faster, but being in college and owning a jeep and a mustang kinda sets you back a bit, lol. I'll be saving till next x-mas. Oh, BTW, thanks for the replies, and holy cow that was fast.
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01-15-04, 12:50 AM	#7
bchur83 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes	Hey thats why we are here, to help out others. The 9600 is a great mid range card. Me, personally, I have owned a BBA 9600Pro and a BBA AIW 9600pro, so I like the 9600 series of cards. They are great for mild gaming. __________________ Main Rig: Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 * Core i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz * 8GB (2x 4GB) Mushkin Blackline PC3-1600 * GeForce GTX 560TI 448 1280MB * 6TB Storage * LG BD/RW * Lian-Li PC-V2000B * Dell 24" 2407FPW & Asus 24" VS248H Backup Rig: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P * C2Q Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz * 4GB (2x 2GB) G-Skill PC2-8000 * Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB * 320GB Storage * Samsung SH-S203N DVD+/-RW * Apex Full Tower Case * 2x Dell 19" LCD HTPC: Abit IP35PRO * C2D E6600 @ Stock * 2GB G-Skill PC6400 * Geforce 8600GT 256MB * 640GB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-ROM * 55" Samsung 1080p 3D LED LCD via HDMI Media Server: DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D * A64 3800+ X2 * 1GB PC3200 * Powercolor X800XL * 14TB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-RW Heatware
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01-15-04, 01:31 AM	#8
Overclocker550 Member Join Date: Feb 2002	wow nice ti4600 score! get the 9600 pro dude! $75 is cheap! then sell the 9600 pro if you dont like it. if you do, sell whatever you dont want to keep. worth trying it out
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01-15-04, 03:00 AM	#10
AK50 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan	buy it than sell both and get an even better card __________________ Rigged up with: AMD x2 3800+ @ 2.4ghz \| Asrock 939Dual-SataII 120gb\|500gb Seagate HD's 2gb OCZ pc4000 BFG 8800GT 512mb Enermax FMA 535w PSU
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01-15-04, 04:41 AM	#11
Overclocker550 Member Join Date: Feb 2002	this is why im holding onto my ti4200 for a long while and I doubt dx9 will be reqired anytime soon. even now many games will run on a dx7 card, even hl2 will but the visuals wont be so pretty
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01-15-04, 05:21 AM	#12
Steven4563 Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northants England	keep your TI4600 if u like playing games with AA and AF save up and get a 9800pro AK50 thats not a bad idea get the otherone and then sell both off them __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10 = 2.5ghz 1.55V Cooled By XP-120 & YS-TECH FD1238 Fan MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Edition Corsair XMS TwinX 1Gig 2x512Meg PC4400 Ram @ 416Mhz 2,2,2,6 1T Hercules 3D Prophet 9700NP 128Meg ( Bios Flashed To 9700Pro With VGA Sliencer ) 480Gig Hard Drive Space MSI 16x DVD Drive Artec 52x CD-RW Drive Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Antec PlusView 1000AMG Metallic Gray Case Antec TruePower 550watt PSU ( New Version ) Windows XP Pro SP1 3DMark2001SE: 23014 4.9GHZ Of AMD Power For Overclockers.com Boinc Seti Team.
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01-15-04, 08:08 AM	#13
Como Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Maine	so a ti 4600 with bga ram would be faster than a 9600 pro with bga ram? i've been wondering myself. i see a 4600 with bga in the refurbs pretty often, in my range...about...and the 9600 pro with bga is in there sometimes too. lil cheaper, but i want raw fps, and a lil eye candy... __________________ This space is for rent.* *I'm Lying
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01-15-04, 10:19 AM	#14
Steven4563 Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northants England	then the Ti4600 is for u __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10 = 2.5ghz 1.55V Cooled By XP-120 & YS-TECH FD1238 Fan MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Edition Corsair XMS TwinX 1Gig 2x512Meg PC4400 Ram @ 416Mhz 2,2,2,6 1T Hercules 3D Prophet 9700NP 128Meg ( Bios Flashed To 9700Pro With VGA Sliencer ) 480Gig Hard Drive Space MSI 16x DVD Drive Artec 52x CD-RW Drive Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Antec PlusView 1000AMG Metallic Gray Case Antec TruePower 550watt PSU ( New Version ) Windows XP Pro SP1 3DMark2001SE: 23014 4.9GHZ Of AMD Power For Overclockers.com Boinc Seti Team.
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01-15-04, 10:46 AM	Thread Starter #15
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	wow, lots of replies this morning. Well I should have mentioned another part to this story. I told my brother and sister if they pitched in 50 bucks for me, I would either buy them the 9600 card and keep mine or buy it for myself and give them mine. So that throws out the selling both cards theory. I think I'll keep the 4600 for myself and try and oc it some more (anyone have any good ideas for that, I have a TT fan/ramsinks on it now).
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01-15-04, 10:50 AM	Thread Starter #16
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	oh yeah, another question for you guys. I've heard that 9600's overclock like mad. Any merit to this rumor? If so, can it oc enough to make it worth getting over the 4600?
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01-15-04, 11:03 AM	#17
PingSpike Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vermont, USA	I'd keep the 4600 if I were you. Its the faster card, and what good are dx9 features if a game runs to slow to be playable? In the future, that speed edge may be the difference between playable and not playable. The 9600 is a great card, don't get me wrong. But I personally don't really care about the eye candy much, so long as it runs fast and looks ok. __________________ Epox 9U1697 GLI, X2 3800+ Manchester @ 2410mhz, 1.35v AC Freezer 64, 2x1024mb Corsair Value Select @ 221 2.5-3-3-10 2.7v, eVGA 8800GTS @ stock, 80GB SATA WD 7200/8mb, SB Live! value, 3Com NIC Heat
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01-15-04, 12:05 PM	#18
snyper1982 Member Join Date: Sep 2001	yeah, since you already own the 4600, its not really a smart upgrade to go to the 9600. __________________ Main Rig Motherbard-DFI NF4 Ultra Processor-A64 3000+ Vid Card-X800XL Memory-1GIG G.Skill 2-3-3-6 PC3200 RIG 2\| Asus p4p800 deluxe \| 2.4c@stock \| radeon 9800np @ stock \| 2 80gig WD se's \| 512mb Corsair xms Rig 3\| Abit NF7-S \| 1800+ tbred-b \| (RIP)9700 np
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01-15-04, 12:42 PM	Thread Starter #19
custom90gt Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pueblo CO, when I'm not playing army	well basically its a free "upgrade" I'm going to give my brother and sister 25 bucks and a card either way. I'm just trying to figure out which would be a better card for me to keep. If i can oc the 9600 to score good then I'll do that.
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01-15-04, 01:34 PM	#20
violineb Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Living in Baltimore/Studying in Bloomington, IN	Well as far as the 9600pro goes for DX 9 games. Even my 9700 np lags badly in Halo. That's not saying much considering how Halo doesn't use resources well but if you want a DX 9 card to play DX9 games the way the should be played (on high settings then I suggest you either save for a 9800pro or buy and sell $75 is a steal in any case though. __________________ MY HEATWARE 27-0-0 Main Rig: M4A79T-Deluxe, AMD 720, 2GB OCZ 1333, Radeon 4870 1GB, 2x Seagate 7200.12 RAID 0. Mods:PSX-Modded Laptop Dock Mini PC
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