Anyone HT farming?

belorsch · Feb 2, 2004

I was just looking at all-in-one HT mb's and wondered if anyone had any experience with the
Biostar P4M266A ?
Has anyone setup any HT layers yet as opposed to just full time pc's? Also wondered if Linux will work with HT?

Just dreaming out loud. One never knows when we could hit the Lottery jackpot

And yes, I do play

Audioaficionado · Feb 3, 2004

yeah Linux supports Hyper Threading. As for making P4 HT farms, you'll get a lot more bang for the buck if you just go with AMD.

Fast420A · Feb 3, 2004

Yeah, when it comes to farms, AMD rules. I spent $30 or so on both my Pally's that I have in the farm right now, $35 for the V/S/L Nforce1 mATX board and the same price for the V/S/L KM266 Gigabyte board. The ram in both is cheap Compusa PC2100 256MB sticks that I had lying around which are about $32 each with pricewatch today and then $32 shipped on the PSU running both boards with like $12 in wiring to split the PSU. Comes to about $119 per layer on 1 PSU at stock speeds I get an average of about 400 PPW per layer. These parts and prices are mostly from ebay or the classifieds on the forum.

Take a cheap HT layer,

MSI SiS661FX $62.00 New
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-440&depa=1

RETAIL 2.4C $167.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-116-157&depa=1

BUFFALO TECH PC3200 $42
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=20-150-596&depa=1

Fortron 300 Watt PSU with 120mm Fan $27
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=17-104-979&depa=1

That comes to $298 and if you split the PSU between 2 layers then you will have $296.50 per layer including the PSU splitter.

Close to 800 or so PPW maybe. Not really worth it.

Then a Hard Drive or CD Drive for the OS.

OCn00b · Feb 3, 2004

Maybe I've just had horrible luck, but going with AMD for a farm is only better if all the cpu's are running SSE. I've got 6 AMD's here and only 2 of them are able to run SSE

If you really want the production numbers, a couple 2.4C layers overclocked to around 3-3.2ghz, running 2 instances would be the best bet, IMO. As much as I hate to praise Intel, at least with their cpu's you know they'll be able to fold with SSE. Granted, it's a more expensive way to go but the numbers will be better.

Fast420A · Feb 3, 2004

I haven't had ANY SSE trouble since the newest client came out. :knocks on wood:

I even reenabled on my dad's rig that was a FREQUENT crasher with no problems that I know of what so ever, I even OCed him back from stock 13x133 to 13x166. XP2100 @2158

Quailane · Feb 3, 2004

On my stepdad's pally and on my 2Ghz duron, SSE works flawlessly with F@H. On my dad's barton, it is just not stable to use. I had to turn down the clock rates for processor and ram well below stock levels, so I decided to just use 3dnow on that comp with much higher performance in other things.

Arkaine23 · Feb 3, 2004

Power costs are lower for intel HT layers over time since you'd need more AMD layers to make equivalent production. But then again, I haven't been able to price out a $100 Intel layer.

<--- hates praising Intel too

Audioaficionado · Feb 4, 2004

I'll let you know how it all turns out after I start OCing my Canterwood Shuttle past 3GHz. However that Intel layer cost me $900

DayUSeX · Feb 4, 2004

HT is "cool" but not really that great. It works if it is you main machine, but as far as farms go it is waaay easier to simply just get some amd's and k7d MP mod em.

nikhsub1 · Feb 4, 2004

DayUSeX said:
HT is "cool" but not really that great. It works if it is you main machine, but as far as farms go it is waaay easier to simply just get some amd's and k7d MP mod em.

Hehe, my P4 at 3.6 is outproduced by my dual K7D with 2 2250Mhz CPU's by only 50 - 100 PPW. I am all Intel from now on with new machines, they just fold better and have zero issues.

DayUSeX · Feb 4, 2004

maby nikhsub1 but how much did that p4 3.6 cost comared to the k7d =P. Its a price performance ratio in my mind.

Audioaficionado · Feb 4, 2004

If you can run the SSE flags with gromacs using the AMD then you have a good $

ratio. However if you have to run 3Dnow because of AMD processor stability issues, then Intel starts to look good again.

belorsch · Feb 4, 2004

I was posting this idea with an eye toward conserving space and heat. I have 7 pc's in my little pc room and unfortuanately its on the top floor of our house so its not even a big help in the winter because its already on the highest floor. Its also getting cramped. I knew it would be more expensive. I just wanted to get an idea of how much more. The cost saved using less electricity to power less boxen as well as keeping the ac running more this summer may be worth it to me.

nikhsub1 · Feb 4, 2004

DayUSeX said:
maby nikhsub1 but how much did that p4 3.6 cost comared to the k7d =P. Its a price performance ratio in my mind.

K7D = $200 (when I got it)
2x 2400's = 160 (for both)

2.6C = $218 (when I got it)
IC7 = $140 (when I got it)

almost identical in price, now though Intel is way cheaper than it was.

Tawcan · Feb 4, 2004

Fast420A said:
Yeah, when it comes to farms, AMD rules. I spent $30 or so on both my Pally's that I have in the farm right now, $35 for the V/S/L Nforce1 mATX board and the same price for the V/S/L KM266 Gigabyte board. The ram in both is cheap Compusa PC2100 256MB sticks that I had lying around which are about $32 each with pricewatch today and then $32 shipped on the PSU running both boards with like $12 in wiring to split the PSU. Comes to about $119 per layer on 1 PSU at stock speeds I get an average of about 400 PPW per layer. These parts and prices are mostly from ebay or the classifieds on the forum.

Take a cheap HT layer,

MSI SiS661FX $62.00 New
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-440&depa=1

RETAIL 2.4C $167.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-116-157&depa=1

BUFFALO TECH PC3200 $42
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=20-150-596&depa=1

Fortron 300 Watt PSU with 120mm Fan $27
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=17-104-979&depa=1

That comes to $298 and if you split the PSU between 2 layers then you will have $296.50 per layer including the PSU splitter.

Close to 800 or so PPW maybe. Not really worth it.

Then a Hard Drive or CD Drive for the OS.

How good are those Buffalo ram in turn of overclocking?

Quailane · Feb 4, 2004

I don't know about the infineon chips, but my ch-5 buffalo pc3200 256mb cl2.5 does a lackluster job, at best. It does only 205 in dual channel at 2.8 volts with 11-4-4-2.5

Fast420A · Feb 4, 2004

There were a lot of people loving Buffalo about 6 - 8 months ago with great overclocks. Again, you can never tell with any ram until you try.

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