very interesting results, again ;)

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

having task manager open on my dual AMDxp system while 3dmark2003 is running (on a 9700pro) causes the system to reboot...

reboots almost everytime with CPU0 as the only cpu running 3dmark2003 while the task manager window is open...and even when not overclocked...

reboots about half the time with CPU1 as the only cpu running 3dmark2003 while the task manager window is open...also when running at stock speeds...

reboots occasionally with both CPUs running 3dmark2003 while the task manager window is open...also even when running stock speeds...

never reboots (even up to 2.18ghz, fsb 145mhz) at all running 3dmark2003 with task manager closed, using cpu0, cpu1 solely or both cpu's at once...

also, if the task manager is open while 3dmark2003 is running, the screen "jumps" everytime windows task manager refreshes...

none of these effects happen while 3dmark2001 is running...

has anyone else seen this happen?

aftermath · Feb 20, 2004

i tryed this after seeing the other thread and was unable to reproduce your problems. Im using cat4's on a 9800p and win 2ksp4 what os and drivers are u using?

cmcquistion · Feb 20, 2004

Sounds like a video driver issue, probably.

I tried this with my Geforce 4 Ti4600 and I can't get the system to reboot.

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

i tryed this after seeing the other thread and was unable to reproduce your problems. Im using cat4's on a 9800p and win 2ksp4 what os and drivers are u using?

i'm using cat 3.9's from ATI...

and i don't have any "losing set resolution" problems upon reboot...that many dual users complained about...

initially, i tried cat 4.1's from that site that optimizes the drivers (omega i think) and i was only getting ~2500 3dmark2003 and less than 10000 3dmark2001....

so i switched to cat 3.9's (since i had read most users hadn't experienced any problems with it....while the cat 4+'s are newer and less tested)....

with 3.9's i am getting ~4500 3dmark2003 and ~12,000 3dmark2001 with the 9700pro at 335/650...

my 3.3v rail takes a slight hit (according to mbm) with the 9700pro...it can go as low as 3.23, but typically stays at 3.28-3.3... (this didn't happen with the ti4600 i had previously, as it fluctuated between 3.28-3.3)...the other rails are very static, regardless of load...4.92-4.95 and 12.04-12.1...so i don't think the antectp 550 is the problem (also in light of the successful 3dmark2003 results without task manager open)

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

Sounds like a video driver issue, probably.

I tried this with my Geforce 4 Ti4600 and I can't get the system to reboot.

unfortunately, i think you're right...

when you run 3dmark2003 (with your ti4600) with the task manager window open (and looking at the 2 cpu processes screen on another monitor)...do you see any "jumping" of the screen in synchronization with the refreshing of task manager?

also i have task manager set to refresh every second...so every second the screen "jumps" back and forth...but with no artifacts...

cmcquistion · Feb 20, 2004

dustybyrd said:
when you run 3dmark2003 (with your ti4600) with the task manager window open (and looking at the 2 cpu processes screen on another monitor)...do you see any "jumping" of the screen in synchronization with the refreshing of task manager?

also i have task manager set to refresh every second...so every second the screen "jumps" back a forth...but with no artifacts...

I don't have those problems, when leaving task manager open, while running 3DMark2003. I just tried it, to make sure. I just went through the first three tests and had no problems (I didn't want to wait for the entire series, so I cancelled out, after having no problems in three tests.)

When you say "(and looking at the 2 cpu processes screen on another monitor)...", do you mean that you have two actual monitors hooked up, or do you just mean that you have the task manager window open, behind 3DMark2003?

I have the update speed set to "Normal", which I think is once per second.

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

I don't have those problems, when leaving task manager open, while running 3DMark2003. I just tried it, to make sure. I just went through the first three tests and had no problems (I didn't want to wait for the entire series, so I cancelled out, after having no problems in three tests.)

When you say "(and looking at the 2 cpu processes screen on another monitor)...", do you mean that you have two actual monitors hooked up, or do you just mean that you have the task manager window open, behind 3DMark2003?

I have the update speed set to "Normal, which I think is once per second. [/B]

yes, i have it set to normal (once per second i think too)

yes, i have two monitors hooked up: primary DVI (on which i have task manager open and on screen) and a secondary vga (on which i run 3dmark2003)...

the "jumping" problem is most noticeable in the "mother nature"---particularly during the lowest fps parts (like initially watching the turtle come into view and when moving up the waterfall or the very end of mother nature) program...and that's where the reboot almost always occurs...(although it can happen in other video tests)...

cmcquistion · Feb 20, 2004

dustybyrd said:
yes, i have it set to normal (once per second i think too)

yes, i have two monitors hooked up: primary DVI (on which i have task manager open and on screen) and a secondary vga (on which i run 3dmark2003)...

the problem is most noticeable in the "mother nature"---particularly during the lowest fps parts (like initially watching the turtle come into view and when moving up the waterfall or the very end of mother nature) program...and that's where the reboot almost always occurs...(although it can happen in other video tests)...

It is very common to have 3D problems, when running dual monitors. Most games will just crash out and not start, at all, if they detect two monitors hooked up (and enabled).

You need to disable one, while gaming (or running 3DMark). I bet this will solve your problems.

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

It is very common to have 3D problems, when running dual monitors. Most games will just crash out and not start, at all, if they detect two monitors hooked up (and enabled).

You need to disable one, while gaming (or running 3DMark). I bet this will solve your problems. [/B]

ok....i have done some gaming with both monitors active...max payne 2 allows me to do it and so does COD...

how do i disable one while gaming...without having to reboot?

cmcquistion · Feb 20, 2004

dustybyrd said:
ok....i have done some gaming with both monitors active...max payne 2 allows me to do it and so does COD...

how do i disable one while gaming...without having to reboot?

A few games will work ok and some games, like Flight Simulators, actually support running the game on multiple monitors.

In general, though, it can cause problems.

To disable the other monitor, just go to Display settings and uncheck the box that says "extend windows desktop", then click apply. This will effectively disable the secondary monitor.

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

A few games will work ok and some games, like Flight Simulators, actually support running the game on multiple monitors.

In general, though, it can cause problems.

To disable the other monitor, just go to Display settings and uncheck the box that says "extend windows desktop", then click apply. This will effectively disable the secondary monitor. [/B]

i had used that method to disable a monitor before...but i didn't want to have to do that since i end up having to move the task bar and all the icons back after i'm done (i know that's a little lazy

)

anyway....looks like you're right...

when i disabled the primary monitor and just ran 3dmark2003 on the secondary monitor while running task manager in the background...NO screen "jumping" in the battle of polysomethingorother and no jumping in mother nature....and so far, no rebooting...even when setting the cpu affinity to cpu0, cpu1 individually or both running at the same time...

i guess this would then happen on a ti4600 as well...IF i were running two monitors and task manager in the background?

thanks for your help...it's not like it's that important...but it's disconcerting to watch your "stable" computer reboot during 3dmark2003...but it's very satisfying to solve the problem...

cmcquistion · Feb 20, 2004

dustybyrd said:
i guess this would then happen on a ti4600 as well...IF i were running two monitors and task manager in the background?

Yeah, it probably would. I used to run dual monitors and I experienced a range of weird issues, while gaming. Simply disabling one of the monitors would always take care of the problem, though.

There are programs, out there, that can take a snapshot of your desktop and restore your icon position and such. This would allow you to restore your desktop, like you want it, after disabling and enabling monitors. I know I've seen software for this and I think ATI might even have a little utility for it (probably part of their Hydravision software.)

aftermath · Feb 20, 2004

cmcquistion said:
It is very common to have 3D problems, when running dual monitors. Most games will just crash out and not start, at all, if they detect two monitors hooked up (and enabled).

You need to disable one, while gaming (or running 3DMark). I bet this will solve your problems.

i dont have this problem and never have all my games have run on the correct srcreen and i can view task maneger on screen 2 during 3dmark2k3.
i suspect it to be a driver problem try the 4.0s.

edit: my primary screan identifies as the VGA screen as defult with the DVI being the secondery. 3d performace on this (DVI) screen is dreadfully slow. why is this?

edit2: turns out iv never wached 3d mark that closely and its not quite right.

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

i dont have this problem and never have all my games have run on the correct srcreen and i can view task maneger on screen 2 during 3dmark2k3.
i suspect it to be a driver problem try the 4.0s. [/B]

so, as you said, you have task manager open on one screen, set to the performance tab so you can see both cpu's graphs, then you run 3dmark2003 on the other monitor, right? and task manager is set to "normal" update rate?

when you do that, do you see any image "shifting" in 3dmark2003 during nature that is in synchronization with task manager refreshing or updating itself?

also, have you tried setting 3dmark2003 to run only on one cpu at a time?

disk11 · Feb 20, 2004

dit: my primary screan identifies as the VGA screen as defult with the DVI being the secondery. 3d performace on this (DVI) screen is dreadfully slow. why is this?

It could be the moniter. What is your setup in terms of graphics?

dustybyrd · Feb 20, 2004

It could be the moniter. What is your setup in terms of graphics? [/B]

Primary (where task manager window is open): Dell 15" Flat Panel DVI

Secondary (where 3dmark2003 runs): 21" Nokia CRT

rezon8 · Feb 20, 2004

Just my two cents worth, i dont use the windows taskmanager, i use TaskInfo and AbpMon, which is on the same page.

i use AbpMon to graph out my internet speed, disk I\O speed, Cpu0, Cpu1, and CpuAvg usage, Ram usage etc, all graphed on the top of my screen, and set to "always on top", and i use Taskinfo, well, for task info of course!

A lot more robust than the window TM, IMO.

i hope i linked correctly above, if not

www.iarsn.com

aftermath · Feb 21, 2004

Iv done it again each on its own screen and see what ur geting at.
Actuly in some of the faster pans u can see small jumps as if it had droped a frame or two most the time it was still smooth. This is only in the nature test and its smooth till the screen pans up the stream folowing the buterfly after the turtel (sp?) the turtels smooth.
its only haperning when task maneger refreshes (normal refresh-rate) but its not each time the task maneger refreshes.

dustybyrd · Feb 21, 2004

Iv done it again each on its own screen and see what ur geting at.
Actuly in some of the faster pans u can see small jumps as if it had droped a frame or two most the time it was still smooth. This is only in the nature test and its smooth till the screen pans up the stream folowing the buterfly after the turtel (sp?) the turtels smooth.
its only haperning when task maneger refreshes (normal refresh-rate) but its not each time the task maneger refreshes.

exactly....

what video card are you using?

do you ever get rebooting? what about forcing 3dmark2003 to run only on one cpu at a time?

aftermath · Feb 21, 2004

aftermath said:
i tryed this after seeing the other thread and was unable to reproduce your problems. Im using cat4's on a 9800p...

To clarify im using a Radion 9800pro 256 and I did force first cpu0 and then cpu1. how much do u think they changed the hardware between the 9700 and the 9800?
Iv ran it with folding on and off as well but don’t get any reboots.

I would not say that there was no more than 3 frames droped at a time probably less. Most the time its not noticable. Seems worst with the butterfly.
I cant fidle till monday tho im away from uni otherwise id try the 3.9s if iv got them on my driver partition 2 c if it restarts.

edit: i should have said that im using the cat 4.0 standards.

**Ill try the 3.9 if i got um.... i might only have the 3.8 ill do this tomorow night if im home.**

very interesting results, again ;)

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