Dual Mobile Bartons 762MPX=BAD!

Gabertooth · 03-18-04, 06:37 PM

OC Community,

I recently purchased two mobile Bartons from newegg 2400+ 512k cache. I noticed the last L5 was closed so i popped them into the Gigabyte 7DPXDPW-P and the booted as unknows type 2 processors. THE WEIRD PART IS THEY ARE RUNNING AT 133x6!
Does anyone have a similiar experience or remedy?

Extra info: Mushkin 512MB Black Perf II, ATI 9800 Pro. SBLive 5.1 3COM server 100MB NIC.

Thanks in advance.

-Gabertooth

Arkaine23 · 03-18-04, 06:47 PM

Sounds about right. On the MSI K7D and some other boards, you need to break one of the L5's in order to get them to work in SMP. but seems that the gigabyte board does not require that.

The CPU's have an unlocked multiplyer so you can stick tiny strands of wire into the CPU socket or get an adapter in order to increase the multplyer up to say 16 or 17 for good overclocking.

Socket wire mods-
http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop...md_pinmod.html

or

$60 pair of adapters-
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=279228

Does you board let you increase the FSB and vcore?

Gabertooth · 03-18-04, 06:50 PM

Arkaine23,

Thanks for that info. I appreciate the solution. I've been messing around with CPUMSR and CrystalCPUID, i guess there a sector in WPCREDIT you can change to get it to work but this will be easier. TY

-Gabertooth

Arkaine23 · 03-18-04, 06:54 PM

Since powernow is still enabled, I'd try Gcpuid, which was made by one of the members here and can adjust the multiplyer while you're running in windows.

http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID.zip

cmcquistion · 03-18-04, 10:17 PM

So, did you do break the necessary L5 bridge?

If you don't, then you can't run them in SMP mode.

Arkaine23 · 03-18-04, 10:38 PM

From his description, they are not modded, and both are recognized and running at 6x133. Perhaps not all duallie boards need the mobile bridge broken to work in MSP...

Gabertooth · 03-19-04, 09:19 AM

Yes they came with the leftmost "SMP" L5 closed. Do I have to close another bridge clear the mobile status?

Edit: They are running in the machine as I am typing this.

-G

cmcquistion · 03-19-04, 09:36 AM

The L5 bridges on normal Athlon XP's look like this:

| : : :

The L5 bridges on MP's look like this:

| : : |

The L5 bridges on Mobile XP's look like this:

| : | |

On all other dual AMD boards, that I have heard of, people could not successfully run dual Mobile XP's, unless they broke that L5 bridge, which is connected on the mobile, but unconnected on real MP's. They could often boot and run an OS, but it would run with only one CPU, because the BIOS reports the CPU's and not being SMP-capable.

Can you look at your CPU graphs (Ctrl-Alt-Del in Windows) and verify that both CPU's are running, on your unmodded Mobile XP's?

diehrd · 03-19-04, 09:47 AM

I would be curious to know if they are seen with no mod .

Gabertooth · 03-19-04, 10:08 AM

They are recognized as 800 mhz unknows CPU x2 unmodded.

Edit: cmcquistion yes two graphs in windows.

-G

cmcquistion · 03-19-04, 10:23 AM

That is very interesting. Perhaps the Gigabyte board doesn't do the checks that the other dual AMD boards seem to do.

You can do the pin-mod on the sockets, to change the multiplier for your CPU's.

Sounds like you got lucky with that board.

diehrd · 03-19-04, 10:45 AM

I also run the Giga-Byte board.What bios are you using ?

Arkaine23 · 03-19-04, 12:06 PM

This is why I'm interested to see if The Coolest's Gcpuid will be able to change the multi on the fly- because powernow is still functioning, and it'd be extremely easy if it worked.

If that's the case, FSB overclocking aside, the gigabyte board would be a very good option for getting 2.5ghz duallies.

diehrd · 03-19-04, 12:19 PM

Thats exactly why I am hoping he replies.If theh processors show up dual and are mobile I would be willing to get a few and clock them to death LOL..Maybe end up with a 2.5 to 2.8 gig dual...

mamisano · 03-19-04, 01:10 PM

Yeah, and I too would like to know. I just picked up 2x 2400+ from NewEgg Refurb to replace current 2x Duron 1400. If the Mobiles work, I will be selling off the 2400's...

Rav · 03-19-04, 01:36 PM

I may have the K7D and 2400+ XP-M's, but I went through the same problems. I had to blow the L5 responsible for marking it as mobile. That has the unwanted affect of defaulting the CPU's to the lower multiplier set. I had to do a wire-socket mod to manually get 14x multiplier. They are now running happily at 150x14 1.65v.

-Rav

diehrd · 03-19-04, 02:39 PM

Gabertoth are ya watching your thread LOL...really could use some info..

diehrd · 03-20-04, 07:20 AM

I am disapointed , The thread starts and the guy simply disapears. Did he run Mobile non-modded chips in a giga-byta dual board ? I am left guessing the answer is NO...

zachj · 03-20-04, 11:18 AM

This seems like good news. I want a dual for my birthday, and I really can't afford Xeons or Opterons. If this works, I might be persuaded to cheap out a little. . .

Z

03-18-04, 06:37 PM	Thread Starter #1
Gabertooth Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bismarck, ND (USA)	Dual Mobile Bartons 762MPX=BAD! OC Community, I recently purchased two mobile Bartons from newegg 2400+ 512k cache. I noticed the last L5 was closed so i popped them into the Gigabyte 7DPXDPW-P and the booted as unknows type 2 processors. THE WEIRD PART IS THEY ARE RUNNING AT 133x6! Does anyone have a similiar experience or remedy? Extra info: Mushkin 512MB Black Perf II, ATI 9800 Pro. SBLive 5.1 3COM server 100MB NIC. Thanks in advance. -Gabertooth
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03-18-04, 06:47 PM	#2
Arkaine23 Captain Random Senior Evil Genius Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodlands, Tx	Sounds about right. On the MSI K7D and some other boards, you need to break one of the L5's in order to get them to work in SMP. but seems that the gigabyte board does not require that. The CPU's have an unlocked multiplyer so you can stick tiny strands of wire into the CPU socket or get an adapter in order to increase the multplyer up to say 16 or 17 for good overclocking. Socket wire mods- http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop...md_pinmod.html or $60 pair of adapters- http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=279228 Does you board let you increase the FSB and vcore? __________________ Folding.for.team.32.as.OC3d! i5 3570 @ 4.5 \| 8GB \| SSD \| 5-disk Raid 0 \| 660 Ti +154 other/slower clients folding
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03-18-04, 06:50 PM	Thread Starter #3
Gabertooth Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bismarck, ND (USA)	Arkaine23, Thanks for that info. I appreciate the solution. I've been messing around with CPUMSR and CrystalCPUID, i guess there a sector in WPCREDIT you can change to get it to work but this will be easier. TY -Gabertooth
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03-18-04, 06:54 PM	#4
Arkaine23 Captain Random Senior Evil Genius Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodlands, Tx	Since powernow is still enabled, I'd try Gcpuid, which was made by one of the members here and can adjust the multiplyer while you're running in windows. http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID.zip __________________ Folding.for.team.32.as.OC3d! i5 3570 @ 4.5 \| 8GB \| SSD \| 5-disk Raid 0 \| 660 Ti +154 other/slower clients folding
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03-18-04, 10:17 PM	#5
cmcquistion IT Director Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tennessee	So, did you do break the necessary L5 bridge? If you don't, then you can't run them in SMP mode. __________________ Wanna prove your computer is actually good for something? Why not Fold Proteins for Team 32? Step-by-Step: How to Build a Cheap and Quiet AMD Dually. Step-by-Step: Building a Quiet PC from the Ground Up. Step-by-Step: How to Quiet those Hard Drives. How to remove Spyware and Immunize yourself from future infection. Please read and obey the Signature Rules.
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03-18-04, 10:38 PM	#6
Arkaine23 Captain Random Senior Evil Genius Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodlands, Tx	From his description, they are not modded, and both are recognized and running at 6x133. Perhaps not all duallie boards need the mobile bridge broken to work in MSP... __________________ Folding.for.team.32.as.OC3d! i5 3570 @ 4.5 \| 8GB \| SSD \| 5-disk Raid 0 \| 660 Ti +154 other/slower clients folding
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03-19-04, 09:19 AM	Thread Starter #7
Gabertooth Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bismarck, ND (USA)	Yes they came with the leftmost "SMP" L5 closed. Do I have to close another bridge clear the mobile status? Edit: They are running in the machine as I am typing this. -G
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03-19-04, 09:36 AM	#8
cmcquistion IT Director Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tennessee	The L5 bridges on normal Athlon XP's look like this: \| : : : The L5 bridges on MP's look like this: \| : : \| The L5 bridges on Mobile XP's look like this: \| : \| \| On all other dual AMD boards, that I have heard of, people could not successfully run dual Mobile XP's, unless they broke that L5 bridge, which is connected on the mobile, but unconnected on real MP's. They could often boot and run an OS, but it would run with only one CPU, because the BIOS reports the CPU's and not being SMP-capable. Can you look at your CPU graphs (Ctrl-Alt-Del in Windows) and verify that both CPU's are running, on your unmodded Mobile XP's? __________________ Wanna prove your computer is actually good for something? Why not Fold Proteins for Team 32? Step-by-Step: How to Build a Cheap and Quiet AMD Dually. Step-by-Step: Building a Quiet PC from the Ground Up. Step-by-Step: How to Quiet those Hard Drives. How to remove Spyware and Immunize yourself from future infection. Please read and obey the Signature Rules.
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03-19-04, 09:47 AM	#9
diehrd Senior SMP Gawd Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: NY	I would be curious to know if they are seen with no mod . __________________ .
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03-19-04, 10:08 AM	Thread Starter #10
Gabertooth Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bismarck, ND (USA)	They are recognized as 800 mhz unknows CPU x2 unmodded. Edit: cmcquistion yes two graphs in windows. -G
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03-19-04, 10:23 AM	#11
cmcquistion IT Director Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tennessee	That is very interesting. Perhaps the Gigabyte board doesn't do the checks that the other dual AMD boards seem to do. You can do the pin-mod on the sockets, to change the multiplier for your CPU's. Sounds like you got lucky with that board. __________________ Wanna prove your computer is actually good for something? Why not Fold Proteins for Team 32? Step-by-Step: How to Build a Cheap and Quiet AMD Dually. Step-by-Step: Building a Quiet PC from the Ground Up. Step-by-Step: How to Quiet those Hard Drives. How to remove Spyware and Immunize yourself from future infection. Please read and obey the Signature Rules.
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03-19-04, 10:45 AM	#12
diehrd Senior SMP Gawd Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: NY	I also run the Giga-Byte board.What bios are you using ? __________________ .
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03-19-04, 12:06 PM	#13
Arkaine23 Captain Random Senior Evil Genius Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodlands, Tx	This is why I'm interested to see if The Coolest's Gcpuid will be able to change the multi on the fly- because powernow is still functioning, and it'd be extremely easy if it worked. If that's the case, FSB overclocking aside, the gigabyte board would be a very good option for getting 2.5ghz duallies. __________________ Folding.for.team.32.as.OC3d! i5 3570 @ 4.5 \| 8GB \| SSD \| 5-disk Raid 0 \| 660 Ti +154 other/slower clients folding
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03-19-04, 12:19 PM	#14
diehrd Senior SMP Gawd Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: NY	Thats exactly why I am hoping he replies.If theh processors show up dual and are mobile I would be willing to get a few and clock them to death LOL..Maybe end up with a 2.5 to 2.8 gig dual... __________________ .
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03-19-04, 01:10 PM	#15
mamisano Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Deer Park, NY USA 11729	Yeah, and I too would like to know. I just picked up 2x 2400+ from NewEgg Refurb to replace current 2x Duron 1400. If the Mobiles work, I will be selling off the 2400's...
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03-19-04, 01:36 PM	#16
Rav Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philthadelphia	I may have the K7D and 2400+ XP-M's, but I went through the same problems. I had to blow the L5 responsible for marking it as mobile. That has the unwanted affect of defaulting the CPU's to the lower multiplier set. I had to do a wire-socket mod to manually get 14x multiplier. They are now running happily at 150x14 1.65v. -Rav __________________ + Intel i860, i760, i530 + I kill threads like a mass-murderer
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03-19-04, 02:39 PM	#17
diehrd Senior SMP Gawd Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: NY	Gabertoth are ya watching your thread LOL...really could use some info.. __________________ .
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03-20-04, 07:20 AM	#18
diehrd Senior SMP Gawd Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: NY	I am disapointed , The thread starts and the guy simply disapears. Did he run Mobile non-modded chips in a giga-byta dual board ? I am left guessing the answer is NO... __________________ . Last edited by diehrd; 03-20-04 at 01:07 PM.
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03-20-04, 11:18 AM	#19
zachj Chainsaw Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Redmond, Washington	This seems like good news. I want a dual for my birthday, and I really can't afford Xeons or Opterons. If this works, I might be persuaded to cheap out a little. . . Z __________________ Server- Mobile 2400+ on NForce2 at 1600MHz with 512MB RAM and integrated GeFore4 MX graphics Laptop- TiBook (PowerBook) 867 MHz G4 with 768MB RAM and 40GB HD Desktop- Xeon 1.6 (D1) x2 @ 3GHz, NCCH-DL, 1GB Patriot, 450GB, Radeon9500NP, TruePower 550EPS and Coolermaster heatpipes
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