Artic Silver 5 Thermal compound

Hello there, my question now is, how much temperature drop can I gain in my xp 3000+ if I substitue the stock thermal paste with artic silver 5, still using the stock hsf. Currently I have temps of 51c idle and 59c full load.

What about comparing the stock Volcano 12 thermal compound to this one, will I gain some degrees drop by using this one instead of the V12 one?

AS5 is the best u can git...depends on what HS & HSF u use with it to get a large temp drop...mayb 10-20C drop

I agree, AS5 is the best stuff out there. It takes about 200-hours to "settle" in and after that, you will see a temp drop from about 3-18C temp drop. (according to the AS5 customer support) Maybe even 10-20C as Sophisticated stated if you are lucky.

I use AS5 with my V12+, and I Prime 24/7, currently my load CPU temp is 44ºC. It wavers between 43º and 50º, and normally averages around 46º-48º. I doubt you'll get those numbers with the cheap generic white stuff that comes with the sink.

I'd say you'll get about 5-10c roughly. Maybe a bit more. In either case, it's well worth it.

I recommend that before you put the AS5 on, you lap the heatsink with 600, then 1000, then 1500 wet & dry sandpaper- this will help even more-

well yeah it works well..if its all AS5, if it mixes with other older TIM's, the performance loss is enormous, make sure u remove all of the old TIM (usually a white paste or a thick pad of wax)

good tim removal guide written by ocforum's very own 9mmcensor

AS5 = best?
Many get similar temps with Shin Etsu. Diamonds transfer
heat much better than Silver.
Problem is, many don't apply the Shin Etsu correctly.
Either that or they don't wait long enough for it to "cure".

Honestly, I've read many posts where users have seen similar
or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu. Depends on the
application though. A couple of reviews I've seen have much
too thick layer resulting it poor results.

Shin can be a real pain to apply if you haven't done it before,
or don't have patience. If you don't get the Shin right the first go
it gets tacky and you end up with a mess.
Also, has to be VERY thin layer ... it's less forgiving if
you apply too much; excess won't squeeze out.

True AS5 is easier to apply, and is more forgiving of poor installs.
But Shin Etsu is a whole lot easier to remove COMPLETELY.
Not so important if you are going to use it exclusively.
But if you ever want to change to another type paste it
makes a big difference.


Just my humble observations.

Susquehannock said:

AS5 = best?
Many get similar temps with Shin Etsu. Diamonds transfer
heat much better than Silver.
Problem is, many don't apply the Shin Etsu correctly.
Either that or they don't wait long enough for it to "cure".

Honestly, I've read many posts where users have seen similar
or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu. Depends on the
application though. A couple of reviews I've seen have much
too thick layer resulting it poor results.

Shin can be a real pain to apply if you haven't done it before,
or don't have patience. If you don't get the Shin right the first go
it gets tacky and you end up with a mess.
Also, has to be VERY thin layer ... it's less forgiving if
you apply too much; excess won't squeeze out.

True AS5 is easier to apply, and is more forgiving of poor installs.
But Shin Etsu is a whole lot easier to remove COMPLETELY.
Not so important if you are going to use it exclusively.
But if you ever want to change to another type paste it
makes a big difference.


Just my humble observations.

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You should note, Shin Etsu has DOZENS of varients, for example there is many varients of X23. Shin Etsu makes many different pastes for different situations,small die Large die, industrial etc etc.... Arctic Silver 5 is a all purpose paste, and I have never seen any Shin Etsu product best Arctic Silver 5.


Bottom line is Shin Etsu makes decent products, but Arctic Silver makes better products and they stand behind them and the Overclocking community.

Susquehannock said:

Honestly, I've read many posts where users have seen similar
or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu. Depends on the
application though. A couple of reviews I've seen have much
too thick layer resulting it poor results.

Just my humble observations.

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A quick search of the forums you frequent, here, AMD MB and Extreme Overclockers revealed some interesting facts. Of the six people that did a direct comparison between AS5 and Shin-Etsu G751, none of them found the Shin-Etsu to be superior to AS5. There was one tie.

AS5 has bested Shin-Etsu G751 in every published review.

Where have you seen the “many posts where users have seen similar or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu?”

Colin Thompson
Arctic Silver, Inc.

Re "[b]none[/b] ... "interesting facts" ...

Colin said:

A quick search of the forums you frequent, here, AMD MB and Extreme Overclockers revealed some interesting facts. Of the six people that did a direct comparison between AS5 and Shin-Etsu G751, none of them found the Shin-Etsu to be superior to AS5. There was one tie.

AS5 has bested Shin-Etsu G751 in every published review.

Where have you seen the “many posts where users have seen similar or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu?”

Colin Thompson
Arctic Silver, Inc.

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My my Mr. Thompson ... nice of you to give my posts such high
reguard as to deserve so much of your time. ... truely an honor!

Bluesky on 03-20-2004 at 06:36 PM said:

Tests that I've done on boards over the last two years indicate that the Coolermaster Ultra Gold (w/shin etsu), is better right out of the blocks than AS3 or AS5, and beats it consistently by 1 Degree C or better even after a couple hundred hours of break in. Compared to the full Shin Etsu paste, the Coolermaster is nearly equal.

I have gotten completely away from the AS3 and AS5 because the Coolermaster has proven to be more effective. For that matter, the Artic Ceramique works better than the AS5 in most tests. I now use nothing but the Coolermaster Ultra or either of the two Shin-Etsu types. They do not dry out and are not oil based.

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http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2663653#post2663653

The above was only a post that I remembered from last week.
... "none" ... "some interesting facts" ... indeed!

You obviously dislike my posts Colin, that is your right of course.
Just as it is my right to express my opinions here.
Last I checked these are free and open forums. Not only that, if
you have truely been following me around you would see my
efforts expressing my posts as "my humble two cents"
and such.

If you expect me to spend a few hours collecting every single
post I've read that states thoughts contrary to your testing, don't
hold your breath Colin. As you well know, I'm not being payed by
any thermal paste manufacturer to dispute posts on message
boards that don't support my product.
When I said "many" it wasn't meant as hundreds or dozens. Why
get yourself overwrought over a few posts. Is your position so
weak as to be undermined so easily ?

Honestly, I find it a bit troubling that you are so hypercritical &
agitated by opinions that do not match your tests.

Anyway, take care and have a good one.

signed:
Susquehannock the Minuscule

A difference of opinions should simply be a way of making others aware of what the actual truth is. Instead of taking the comments personally guy's, "edit the replies" and add links to support your posistions so that others may see what is the best compound.

I am sure all members here would prefer to use the best compound,and not be seriously concerned with the manufactures name.....................................................If other members have a preference or are convinced one is better then the other then thats cool so long as we don't flame the guy that disagrees...Or the Products in question..............

Iv used AS5 and laped my Heat sink to miror finnish and only noticed a -2c difference without laping and a -4c after laping.

AS5 to me is not worth the money for such little difference you get. Laping alone gives better results.

I have a Volcano 12 extreem.

Diehard,

As a manufacturer whose products are used extensively in the overclocking community, we watch the various forums for several reasons.

We watch them to learn information that helps us improve our products and their use. If we see several users posting questions about some part of the instructions, we try to address those questions by clarifying that part of the instructions. If we see that overclockers need products not currently available, we work on developing products to fill those needs.

We watch them to correct misinformation about our products or their use that could cause a problem or even expose us to liability. We refute posts telling people to put thermal compound on both sides of a shim, or to use Arctic Silver compound to hold a heatsink on a memory chip, or to use a Q-Tip or a piece of cardboard to spread the compound, or to clean the chip with gasoline, or to use adhesive where compound is needed or to use compound where adhesive is needed.

We watch them to correct misinformation about our products that is untruthful and designed to cause damage to our reputation. In the past, we have dealt with posts stating that Arctic Silver was made with aluminum and did not contain any silver, that Arctic Silver was repackaged anti-seize, that Arctic Silver would dissolve aluminum, that Arctic Silver produced poisonous gasses when heated, that our products were made in China, or India, or Pakistan or Russia, that we bribed reviewers to get good reviews.

An important issue on forums and one that is often abused is the "opinion" issue. Many people hide behind the "It's only my opinion" defense when they actually mixed claims in with the opinion. For example, I have every right to say that in my opinion Gigli, with Ben Affleck is a great movie. But I cross the line if to support my opinion I add that most professional movie reviewers consider Gigli to be one of the best movies ever made. (For the record, I have never seen Gigli and have no opinion on its quality although it did seem to receive mostly bad reviews.)

When I add the part about the professional reviewers, I am no longer posting my opinion, I am making what I claim to be a statement of fact.

So if someone wants to post that they think that Arctic Silver products suck, I have no problem with that. Hey, if they want to post that they think that pizza sucks, I have no problem with that either. But if they post that many reviews show AS3 to be better than AS5, I have a problem because that is a statement that is factually incorrect. (Just as if they posted that most college students do not like pizza.)

So look at Susquehannock's post and see what is presented as an opinion and what is presented as a statement of fact...

AS5 = best?
Many get similar temps with Shin Etsu. Diamonds transfer
heat much better than Silver.
Problem is, many don't apply the Shin Etsu correctly.
Either that or they don't wait long enough for it to "cure".

Honestly, I've read many posts where users have seen similar
or slightly better temps with Shin Etsu. Depends on the
application though. A couple of reviews I've seen have much
too thick layer resulting it poor results.

Shin can be a real pain to apply if you haven't done it before,
or don't have patience. If you don't get the Shin right the first go
it gets tacky and you end up with a mess.
Also, has to be VERY thin layer ... it's less forgiving if
you apply too much; excess won't squeeze out.

True AS5 is easier to apply, and is more forgiving of poor installs.
But Shin Etsu is a whole lot easier to remove COMPLETELY.
Not so important if you are going to use it exclusively.
But if you ever want to change to another type paste it
makes a big difference.

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So ultimately I believe Susquehannock has every right to post his opinions about anything he wishes. He should be careful however about mixing in the claims of facts with his opinions. One thing he did state a month ago on another forum was that despite his multiple claims of Shin-Etsu superiority, he had never actually tried Arctic Silver 5 himself.

And that is a fact!

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

AS5 and ceramique SUCK.

Based upon my experience in building over 25 systems in the past 2 years I have found that AS5 and Ceramique are INCREDIBLE at sucking heat from my processor and transferring it to my heatsinks.

The customer service at Artic Silver, INC. is excellent as was personally experienced in the Nano-blah exchange program.

Their website offers very good instructions on the application of each product and they stay in touch with us in the overclocking community.

At one time I actually used Nano and OCZ, not for long though since the performance was not as good.

I currently use AS5, ceramique, Alumina and silver adhesive based upon the job at hand. Maybe someone can find an application where AS5 doesn't outperform compound "W", no not the wart stuff, but from an overall product line and customer support , Artic Silver, Inc. IN MY OPINION is head ,shoulders and Busty Chest above the rest.

From the Mansion in Chicago , Hugh

Gotta go, time to change a diaper.

P.S. Diaper rash Balm is NOT a good Thermal compound

Hugh,

I think you have waaaay tooooo many girlfriends...

(Just my opinion though.)

My address and phone number are on our website if you care to share a few.

Nevin

i'm using a tube of as2 now and curious if its worth the upgrade to as5? any opinions?

On my OVERCLOCKED AMD systems I noticed on AVERAGE:

4C drop in temps from AS2 to AS3

and ANOTHER 3C drop from AS3 to AS5.

To me it was worth the switch, heck the BIG BOY tubes of AS5 are typically $12-14 shipped and will last a LONG time, HOW LONG?

Longer than Hughhefner and a bottle of Viagra., at least on a normal week.

I have used the same tube of AS3 for all my systems for the past two years. It has always work welled. I can run my overclocked 2800+ at 33C full load fine so I think it works pretty well.

Nevin said:

Diehard,

>>> more >>>

So if someone wants to post that they think that Arctic Silver products suck, I have no problem with that. Hey, if they want to post that they think that pizza sucks, I have no problem with that either. But if they post that many reviews show AS3 to be better than AS5, I have a problem because that is a statement that is factually incorrect. (Just as if they posted that most college students do not like pizza.)

So look at Susquehannock's post and see what is presented as an opinion and what is presented as a statement of fact...


So ultimately I believe Susquehannock has every right to post his opinions about anything he wishes. He should be careful however about mixing in the claims of facts with his opinions. One thing he did state a month ago on another forum was that despite his multiple claims of Shin-Etsu superiority, he had never actually tried Arctic Silver 5 himself.

And that is a fact!

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

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Thanks for affirming my right to post my opinions Nevin.

If memory serves, I have never posted that any product reviews
state AS5 is inferior to Shin Etsu. Though if I did your
crew will surely find it.
I have stated however that I thought some reviewers didn't give
the pastes proper cure time. Or were applying too much.
There was one case where I had a brief exchange with a
MadShrimps reviewer where they admitted poor application
technique. Too thick a layer I believe. Your AS crew will find
it soon I'm sure.

You are right Nevin. Many of my past posts do state that I had not
yet tried AS5 . It is alright however for me to post my opinions
AFTER trying the tube of AS5 that was recently given to me, right ?

Your efforts over there at Arctic Silver have again underscored the
importance to remember the inclusion of a statement expressing
the posts as opinions.
Many might take that as a given but we cannot assume anything
can we? Guess everyone's posts will have to include a legal
disclaimer paragraph from now on.

In conclusion ...
It's obvious from my posts that I like Arctic Silver products. The
main reason I don't use the Silver is beacuse it is a bit
messy to clean up. Which is why I have often used Ceramique
(which was also given to me) instead.
For my personal OverClocking rigs I prefer to use G-751.

Thank you for your time.