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Old 03-26-04, 01:34 PM Thread Starter   #1
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Thumbs up check this guys invention out... will save a lot of energy world wide


I don't wanna re-write the whole story.. but esentially this guy has a magnetic motor that runs at insane low energy levels.

If his product makes it into the market, some oil Sheik or is going to have him shot, cuz this invention will certainly cut the energy consumption worldwide by a huge margin.

Check it at this site

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Old 03-26-04, 01:48 PM   #2
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Wow thats amazing, seems so simple too.

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Old 03-26-04, 02:04 PM   #3
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Wow....Putting a generator on it ended up providing more power than it consumed. So bassically you could have the generator power the machine start it, and then you would have a self sustainable device. wow...I almost cant beleive it

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Minato's invention and its ability to use remarkably less power and run without heat or noise make it perfect for home appliances, personal computers, cellphones (a miniature generator is in the works) and other consumer products.
*cough cough* fans. That would be awsome!! I could have a 300CFM monster of a fan that does not make any noise from the motor and does not drain the PSU

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Mention of Over Unity devices in many scientific circles will draw icy skepticism. But if you can accept the idea that Minato's device is able to create motion and torque through its unique, sustainable permanent magnet propulsion system, then it makes sense that he is able to get more out of the unit than he puts in in terms of elctrical power. Indeed, if the device can produce a surplus of power for longer periods, every household in the land will want one.
Yeah, them scientists don't like "over unity" devices

If this really works out as well as it seems it could be amazing, especially for the electric car industry....

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I am thinking fake. Its too perfect. I want proof before I believe that

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Old 03-26-04, 04:28 PM   #7
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yeah. Isnt this a perpetual motion machine?
I dont think its outlandish enough to warant alot of suspicion. If he said he made a motor oil that has no friction at all, then i would be suspicious.
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Old 03-26-04, 04:45 PM Thread Starter   #8
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Too many sites out there are writing about it... I think its pertty real

Try google Kohei Minato, and see how much you get

Here's a thread discussing the concept he's working on

A friench science thingy

Its all over google, video clips etc.

I've spent the whole evening reading about it... this thing is real!

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Seems sketchy to me...
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*cough cough* fans. That would be awsome!! I could have a 300CFM monster of a fan that does not make any noise from the motor and does not drain the PSU
That will still be a lot of noise. The fan motor itself might be close to silent but the air turbulance caused by movement of the air will generate a lot of noise.
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Old 03-26-04, 09:03 PM   #11
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1. He's an entertainer - I don't think he's changed jobs from that.
2. "average efficiency on his motors is about 330 percent" - ok, this means that this article is just a little early but was meant to be published on April the first. They just released it a few days out by mistake.
3. ROFL
4. They were making this stuff up before WWII - it's still a load of cobblers.

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Old 03-26-04, 09:50 PM   #12
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I dont see why it is so unbelieve able. Its not that outlandish.
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Old 03-26-04, 10:05 PM   #13
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A friend and I played with an idea similar to this on how to utilize as little startup energy as possible to get a device spinning utilizing high-precision industrial magnets. Unfortunately, we kept running into a situation where magnet-lock would set-in and the device couldn't sustain a stable RPM, always eventually coming to a complete stop after a duration of time (depending on magnet strength, starting RPM's and electrical input).

If Kohei has gotten this to work (and by the sounds of things he has), congratulations. I would love to see this technology put into everyday life. An 80% energy savings on the most prevalent electrical device around the world (electric motors) will reduce energy consumption, energy demand and help to cut greenhouse-gas emissions & sulphur output from Coal/Oil/Natural-Gas fired Generating Stations.

Once again, congrats Kohei.

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Old 03-26-04, 10:08 PM   #14
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I also agree. Besides the first PC got such a response. Give em a chance.
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Old 03-26-04, 10:24 PM   #15
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Smells like a perpetual motion machine. And might I add, this forum strictly obeys the laws of Thermodynamics!

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I would refer you to here:
http://www.dansdata.com/danletters097.htm

Dan is widely known and respected for providing science with his views and reviews. in the latest letters column (last letter) he addresses this particular case, although he has written about these sorts of things before..
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Old 03-27-04, 04:23 AM   #17
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The article explained that it is not a "Perpetual Motion Machine". In fact it says many times that the machine requires power to get it past the point of lock up. 16 watts if I read it right.

Where are you guys getting the Perpetual Motion thing from? All I could find was just one page of this article.

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My point number 2.

A car is about 30% efficient. Perfect efficiency would be 100%
330% from a mechanical device??? Activation energy is required for chemical reactions which then go on to release stored energy.

But instead of going with stored chemical or stored nuclear energy, this guy (like people for the last several 100 years or so) punts to "permanent magnets." Look, it's just like the story of water falling off a waterfall and turning a wheel which pumps the water back to the top of the waterfall. IT DOESN"T WORK. The second law of thermodynamics kicks in and everything stops.

If you want a really efficient engine have a look at the Stirling.

http://www.stirlingengine.com/
These are very cool, and very real (unlike the magnet story). You can run one on a hot cup of coffee or your computer monitor heat!

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Old 03-27-04, 05:14 AM Thread Starter   #19
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This is by no means a perpetual motion machine... one thing is that it needs energy to prevent lock ups, but AFAIK any magnetic mechanism loses its effect as well..

So just like any machine, it will wear down and need replacement at some point. What it does however do while it does work, is produce more than it consumes.. Making it efficient while it runs.

I think you guys are being overlty skeptical... a bit like the Jap bureaucrats, it breaks with conventional science, and thus no-one wants to believe it, as it renders all previous knowledge obsolete.

Hey, who liked the idea of the Earth being round when it was presented.. quite a few scientists got burned on the fire for that

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Old 03-27-04, 06:09 AM   #20
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all i can say is wow, im going to be lookint at this thread very closely, see where this goes
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