[blackjackel]

Yeah these are pumps that people rarely use or know about, that seem to be pretty damn good for watercooling from their specs. Found a few of them and will post them here, will post even more as i find them.

If you know of any, PLEASE post them here! But remember, these are non-standard so plz dont post MAG3 or whatever everyone uses.

I am looking for something more powerfull than my via aqua 1300 at less heat output.

Beckett Fountain m350aul16 (drawbacks: Submersible only)

Cyprio Cascade 600

Rio 1400 (almost identical in specs to via aqua 1300)

Rio 1700 ( 650gph 7.5 head ONLY 23 WATTS!!!)

Rio 2100 ( 700gph ~9ft head ONLY 25 WATTS!!!)

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...2-924&catname=
(This pump will kill a mag3) it has 10+ foot head, costs 10bux less, and pumps more than 350 gph. RIP mag3 =)



So far its seems i stumbled upon the mag3 killer, if the RIO 2100 specs are really what they claim, then people will be switching from mag3's to this pump like crazy! Or at the very least will consider it over a via 1300. It doubles via 1300's GPH, increases the head by at least 2 feet, and decreases energy usage by 2 watts.... incredible

[Fast420A]

Anything Iwaki MD, not WMD.

[Prandtl]

Originally posted by blackjackel

So far its seems i stumbled upon the mag3 killer, if the RIO 2100 specs are really what they claim, then people will be switching from mag3's to this pump like crazy! Or at the very least will consider it over a via 1300. It doubles via 1300's GPH, increases the head by at least 2 feet, and decreases energy usage by 2 watts.... incredible

As far as I know, the Rio pumps are know to be all but reliable. Rio pumps are cheap for a reason...

[blackjackel]

Well, looks like i am stopping my search, looks like i cant find anything better than the rio 2100 pump, this thing is crazy...

It pumps out more GPH at 4foot head than the mag3's maximum GPH at 0foot AND it uses almost half the energy (which translates to ~ half the heat). This pump beats the mag 3 all the way up to 6.5 foot head, and i honestly dont think you need anything more than 6.5foot head.

In comparison to my via aqua 1300 which beats the mag3 at 2foot head, this pump KICKS my pumps ash. This pump slaps my via aqua every which way, cant say i am dissapointed in my search.

As for reliability, I truly think reliability is the Users fault, they said via aqua will be unreliable and crap.... its been 3 years and i cant say i have anything against the via aqua.

Search for "stop dissing via aqua 1300" and you will see my via aqua post, its a great pump.

And for anyone looking for a pump, DEFINATELY consider the Rio 2100

[blackjackel]

Well the specs were to tempting not to jump on this.

I just ordered a RIO 2100 pumpl, 42bux shipped on ebay.

Will keep you posted on if this thing really is what it says it is, greenman was gona get one and test it for me, but i really couldnt resist & wait, the specs were just too good...


edit: Crap, i didnt think about noize, i hope it dosent sound like a jet engine..... but with such a low energy usage there must be very little friction which would mean less sound (hopefully)....

[blackjackel]

Found a pump that can kick mag3's ash at only 22 watts...

thats right, 10+ foot head, 350 gph and half the energy used compared to the mag3

10 bucks cheaper too!!

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...2-924&catname=

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by blackjackel
Found a pump that can kick mag3's ash at only 22 watts...

thats right, 10+ foot head, 350 gph and half the energy used compared to the mag3

10 bucks cheaper too!!

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...2-924&catname=

but is it rated for continuous use? - and whats the MTBF....

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by blackjackel
Well the specs were to tempting not to jump on this.

I just ordered a RIO 2100 pumpl, 42bux shipped on ebay.

Will keep you posted on if this thing really is what it says it is, greenman was gona get one and test it for me, but i really couldnt resist & wait, the specs were just too good...


edit: Crap, i didnt think about noize, i hope it dosent sound like a jet engine..... but with such a low energy usage there must be very little friction which would mean less sound (hopefully)....

btw you're not the first to come up with Rio as an option
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=259177

[johan851]

I used a Rio 800 for a while, and it actually wasn't a bad pump.

This pump beats the mag 3 all the way up to 6.5 foot head, and i honestly dont think you need anything more than 6.5foot head.

Water cooling systems don't even have head height, just restriction. I think a pump that has overall higher head (pressure) will win out over a pump that puts out more GPH, just because of the restrictive nature of the system that the pump has to fight.

[UberBlue]

It's almost certain that bilge pump isn't rated for continuous duty.

Originally posted by Fast420A
Anything Iwaki MD, not WMD.

What makes you say that? Ever had either?

If I was faced with the decision between a WMD or a Rio, guess which one would be a no brainier.

[blackjackel]

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...-1235&catname=

This pump will obliterate the mag3, blow it streight out of the water. I'm not kidding, it will beat it in all respects but one...

This pump has a 5000 hour life which is about 5-6 months of continuouls use..

But it has a max head of 11 and a half feet.

Its maximum pumping capacity is 470GPH.

and it only use 25W

25W 470GPH 11.5 foot head, thats like an iwaki pump right there.


too bad it craps out in 6 months =/

[infinity9]

So what good is it? 6 months is average life, it could die in as little as 4.

[felinusz]

I wouldn't say that it 'obliterates' the Mag 3 untill you've gotten one, tested it out, and checked what kind of quality these pumps are, not to mention the noise it puts out, which is an unknown as of now. The estimated lifespan doesn't look too hot, but it could be a conservative figure.

You know the saying "Don't bash it untill you've tryed it"?

I think "Don't promote it untill you've tryed it" is a good one too.

Anything Iwaki MD, not WMD.

I think the first applies to the WMD Iwaki's as well. Why does everyone hate the American Iwaki pumps so much? Sure, the Japanese motored version is better, but the WMD models are still pretty fantastic looking from my perspective, and for the price.... well, there's not much going for the MD pumps in that department, is there?

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by blackjackel
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...-1235&catname=

This pump will obliterate the mag3, blow it streight out of the water. I'm not kidding, it will beat it in all respects but one...

This pump has a 5000 hour life which is about 5-6 months of continuouls use..

But it has a max head of 11 and a half feet.

Its maximum pumping capacity is 470GPH.

and it only use 25W

25W 470GPH 11.5 foot head, thats like an iwaki pump right there.


too bad it craps out in 6 months =/

i'm afraid you're being optimistic - it's rated for 2500hrs continuous use.....

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=6650

[blackjackel]

2500 was the conservative estimate they sent out with the pumps manual, cathar actually called the company and talked to the representative to get the more realistic pump life which was ~4000 hours. If you go back and read the entire thread it would eventually pop up somewhere towards the end.

I am actually thinking of buying this pump then when it dies, modding it so i can make my own little compartment where i can replace the brushes without taking apart the entire damn pump

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by blackjackel
2500 was the conservative estimate they sent out with the pumps manual, cathar actually called the company and talked to the representative to get the more realistic pump life which was ~4000 hours. If you go back and read the entire thread it would eventually pop up somewhere towards the end.

I am actually thinking of buying this pump then when it dies, modding it so i can make my own little compartment where i can replace the brushes without taking apart the entire damn pump

indeed - official MTBF for the CM30P7-1 is still 2500hrs though...
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=99784

i can't say that a "realistic expectation" of 4000hrs would persuade me to trust my kit to it..... (not that i would anyway, having just invested in something far more excessive - or to be exact 2 )

[UberBlue]

Have you sourced brushes?

How much are they?

[blackjackel]

Found another pump:

Beckett G325AG20

2 more foot head than mag3 and 10more amps, ~50 buck pricetag

http://www.wholesalepumps.com/Product.cfm?DID=12&PID=18

uber blue, yes the brushes are replaceable, they have a part number on them, as for researching it:

http://www.johnson-pump.com/JPMarine...eft-alone3.gif