Notices

Overclockers Forums > Hardware > CPUs > General CPU Discussion
General CPU Discussion
Forum Jump

Overclocking minimizes Lifetime

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe Search this Thread
 
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-10-04, 02:06 AM Thread Starter   #1
Neocron
Registered



Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: aUsTriA

 
Overclocking decreases Lifetime


Is it true that overclocking the cpu decreases its lifetime?
Neocron is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 02:16 AM   #2
Jay23
Member

 
Jay23's Avatar 

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Niagara Falls, Canada

 
Yes, but by the time it burns out you will have a new processor. probabbly gone through 2 or 3
Jay23 is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 02:17 AM   #3
JigPu
Inactive Pokémon Moderator

 
JigPu's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Vancouver, WA

10 Year Badge
 
The simple answer? Yes/Mabey.

The long answer? Not really What DOES decrease the lifespan of a CPU is heat and voltage. Having aditional of either will decrease it some. Overclockers tend to push more voltage through their chips for higher speeds, but then also cool the CPU much better. In the end, it all comes out probably near a wash.

Also, CPUs have such long lifespans anyway that shaving off a little bit of it's life won't hurt. Think about it, there are still Apple IIs that work (from the late 1970s), 8088s that still work (very late 1970s), and Commodore 64s that still work (early 1980s). Trust me when I say that a CPU will FAR outlast it's use

JigPu

__________________
.... ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
.... Intel Core i5 2500 ........................ 4 thread ...... 3300 MHz ......... -0.125 V
2x ASUS GTX 560 Ti ............................... 1 GiB ....... 830 MHz ...... 2004 MHz
.... G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage ............. 8 GiB ..... 1600 MHz ............ 1.25 V
.... OCZ Vertex 3 ................................. 120 GB ............. nilfs2 ..... Arch Linux
.... Kingwin LZP-550 .............................. 550 W ........ 94% Eff. ....... 80+ Plat
.... Nocuta NH-D14 ................................ 20 dB ..... 0.35 C°/W ................ 7 V


"In order to combat power supply concerns, Nvidia has declared that G80 will be the first graphics card in the world to run entirely off of the souls of dead babies. This will make running the G80 much cheaper for the average end user."
"GeForce 8 Series." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 7 Aug 2006, 20:59 UTC. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 8 Aug 2006.
JigPu is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 05:50 AM Thread Starter   #4
Neocron
Registered



Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: aUsTriA

 
thanks guys
Neocron is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 07:22 AM   #5
KOXC2003
Member



Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Upstate New York

 
As long as your not stupid about it. Like if you leave your voltage at 1.7+ vcore with air cooling for a intel C series, your probably not going to have that for long. And if your temps are amazingly high, you might not have that for long. But if your a smart overclocker, none of these things will happen anyways.
KOXC2003 is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 11:07 AM   #6
Nandro
Disabled

 
Nandro's Avatar 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wherever I happen to be.

 
I've had a PIII 500 clocked up to 850 going on 6 years, runs every day doing seti. volted as high as my old MB will go. No worries! Now my new rig OTOH is at 2600mhz at 2V so we'll see how that goes.
Nandro is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 11:16 AM   #7
OC Noob
Member

 
OC Noob's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ USA

 
Overclocking decreases lifetime???


Oh god!!! How long do I have to live?!?!?!

__________________
Hail to the King:
Opteron 165 w/ DFI Ultra-D w/ BBA 1900XT 512 mb GSkill PC4200 1 GB x 2
74 gb WD Raptor x 2 Raid 0 MSI (ATI550) Tuner
w/ Windows XP Media Center Edition & OCZ Powerstream 520
DD TDX H2O block w/ Maze4 GPA block DD D4 pump
single 120mm Fan Heater core w/ shroud In Lian-Li fish tank window case

RIP (Rest In Pieces):
P4 3.0 ghz @ 3.75 ghz Aerocool HT-101 IC7-G
Radeon 9800 Pro 430 W Antec True Power
OC Noob is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 02:17 PM Thread Starter   #8
Neocron
Registered



Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: aUsTriA

 
Quote:
Originally posted by OC Noob
Overclocking decreases lifetime???


Oh god!!! How long do I have to live?!?!?!
you're really a oc noob
Neocron is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 04:57 PM   #9
cV
Member

 
cV's Avatar 

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Arizona

 
ahahah

__________________

Biostar Tforce6100-939
X2 3800+ 'Toledo' 2000 @ 2500MHz, 1.45v
2GB G.SKILL DDR400 (2x1024MB) 200 @ 216MHz, 2.5-3-3-6 2T
1x WD Caviar WD4000RE 400GB
1x Seagate ST375064 750GB
LeadTek 8800 GTS 320MB Extreme 540/1188/840 @ 576/1240/900 MHz
Highpower 700W PSU, Coolermaster Centurion MATX case (lengthmodded)
Benq FP222W H


GPGPU Folding FTW!
cV is offline Folding Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 05:02 PM   #10
OC Noob
Member

 
OC Noob's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ USA

 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neocron


you're really a oc noob

I'm too noob to die!

*throws hands in air and runs off screaming*

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

__________________
Hail to the King:
Opteron 165 w/ DFI Ultra-D w/ BBA 1900XT 512 mb GSkill PC4200 1 GB x 2
74 gb WD Raptor x 2 Raid 0 MSI (ATI550) Tuner
w/ Windows XP Media Center Edition & OCZ Powerstream 520
DD TDX H2O block w/ Maze4 GPA block DD D4 pump
single 120mm Fan Heater core w/ shroud In Lian-Li fish tank window case

RIP (Rest In Pieces):
P4 3.0 ghz @ 3.75 ghz Aerocool HT-101 IC7-G
Radeon 9800 Pro 430 W Antec True Power
OC Noob is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-10-04, 05:16 PM   #11
tom10167
Member

 
tom10167's Avatar 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Phoenix. YOUR HAIR IS GOOD TO EAT

10 Year Badge
 
I <3 OCForums.
<33333333333333333333


And has it really been proven that high voltage, when properly cooled lowers a cpus lifespan?
tom10167 is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 12:58 AM   #12
larva
Inactive Moderator

 
larva's Avatar 

Join Date: Jul 2002

 
Quote:
Originally posted by tom10167

And has it really been proven that high voltage, when properly cooled lowers a cpus lifespan?
There is no doubt it does. But consider this: I have a motherboard box in my spare room full of working, but obsolete, cpus. 486sx's, dx's, dx2's, dx4's, K5's, K6's, Pentiums, Pentium MMX's, P2's, celerons, both slot and S370. Need a working Cyrix dx2-66? No problem...

The point is this: other than the somewhat interesting moment when you show the collection and wisper in the amazed witness's ear, "and they all still work!", the fact that they work means nothing. Use up the lifespan, if you can. What is left goes to waste anyway.

BTW-every single cpu I've overclocked (hundreds) is still working, no matter how hard I abused them. I even run the 1.7v+ air cooled P4 referenced above

__________________
Home Rig - cod2 tool--------------------------------------------------------------------------------School Rig - work tool
CPU P4 561 @ 220fsb/4GHz------------------------------------------------------------------------CPU P4 506 @ 200fsb/4GHz
MB Abit AG8-V Video EVGA 7800GT-----------------------------------------------------------------MB Abit AS8-V Video EVGA GF 6200
Memory 4x512MB BH5 - DDR440-2,2,2,5------------------------------------------------------Memory 2x512MB Corsair VS400-2.5,3,3,8
Cooling Scythe Ninja w/103cfm 120x38mm Sanyo-------------------------------------------Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer 4 w/Intel 92mm fan
Sound SoundBastid Live Case AMS gTower PS TPII-480----------------------------------Sound Integrated audio Case Antec SLK1650 PS SP2-350
Storage 74GB Raptor - 2x200GB Samsung - LG4167b DVD-RW------------------------Storage 2x160GB Hitachi SATA - LG4163b DVD-RW - 250MB Zip
Display Dell 2005FPW 20" widescreen LCD Printer - Canon i9900
---------------Display Viewsonic VX2025 20" widescreen LCD Printer - Canon i860
larva is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 01:42 AM   #13
I.M.O.G.
Glorious Leader

 
I.M.O.G.'s Avatar 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rootstown, OH

10 Year Badge
 
Cool input Larva... That's a really good testament to the durability of CPU's. I think the fear involved with losing a chip tends to overestimate the possibility of it happening sometimes.

__________________
The OC Forums Way
We are a team. We are a community. We are a fellowship made strong by mutual respect and shared dedication to the task of enriching all who come here.
The OC Forums Thank You Thread
Put your computer to work for our OC Forum Teams!
Try out our POST TEMPLATES, they save you time answering common questions!

I spend half my money on CPUs, GPUs, and Liquid Nitrogen. The other half I waste.
I.M.O.G. is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Folding Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 02:12 AM   #14
redface
Member



Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Asia

 
if i can o/c my ps2....
redface is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 03:22 AM   #15
Freddie
Member



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: England Uk

 
I would agree, yes it does shorted the lifetime but not by much, and cpus as many people have pointed out live for a long time and as long as you are not going to be kepping it for 20+years working every day then i see no reason to owrry. Most overclockers change their cpu often too. I do say that it is uncommon which it is bnut there is still SNDS (Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome) which can and might affect any Intel Northwood P4, that is runnig over 1.75v and is hotter than -12C (Intel have said that if your cpu is runnig under 1.75 then your cpu is safe from snds.
Freddie is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 11:09 AM   #16
DDR-PIII
Disabled

 
DDR-PIII's Avatar 

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: 6p6

 
Overclocking minimizes Lifetime, its.... not as bad as it sounds, by the time its lifetime ends, it'll be like comparing a calculator, to an Itanium2 at 1.7Ghz
DDR-PIII is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 12:22 PM   #17
jlin453
Member

 
jlin453's Avatar 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Texas

 
Quote:
Originally posted by OC Noob
Overclocking decreases lifetime???


Oh god!!! How long do I have to live?!?!?!
ok, that made me laugh
jlin453 is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 12:51 PM   #18
Nandro
Disabled

 
Nandro's Avatar 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wherever I happen to be.

 
Smile


You need to live till our PC's can be powered with empty soda cans!
Nandro is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 01:39 PM   #19
Tatuya
Member



Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Crunching Einstein@Home

 
Overclocking a cpu results in a minimal amount of wear and tear to a CPU, unless of course you're an idiot running 3V into your CPU going mad with voltage. Anyways it's not like your current CPU will be valuable by the time it burns out, it'll be worth $2 I bet. With all this said and all the previous posts read as well, GO OUT INTO THE WORLD AND OC! La La La La!!

O yeah, don't scrape the die off your CPU also
Tatuya is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 04-11-04, 02:18 PM   #20
Tawcan
Registered

 
Tawcan's Avatar 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC

 
To answer this question one needs to understand the basic structure of CPU's - > PNP and NPN FETS and transistors.

The following the straight out from the textbook...

...another breakdown effect that occurs at lower voltages (about 20V) in modern devices is called punch-through. It occurs in devices iwth relatively short channels when the drain voltage is increased to the point that the depletion region surrounding the drain region extend through the channel to the source. The drain current then increases rapidly. Normally, punch through does not result in permanent damage to the device.

Yet another kind of breakdown occurs when the gate-to-source voltage exceeds about 50V. this is the breakdown of the gate oxide and results in permanent damage to the device.

----
In other word, it's possible to cause breakdown in these basic CPU structures but quite unlikely.
Tawcan is offline   QUOTE Thanks

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe


Overclockers Forums > Hardware > CPUs > General CPU Discussion
General CPU Discussion
Forum Jump

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Mobile Skin
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
You can add these icons by updating your profile information to include your Heatware ID, Benching Profile ID or your Folding/SETI profile ID. Edit your profile!
X

Welcome to Overclockers.com

Create your username to jump into the discussion!

New members like you have made this the best community on the Internet since 1998!


(4 digit year)

Why Join Us?

  • Share experience
  • Max out your hardware
  • Best forum members anywhere
  • Customized forum experience

Already a member?