Do I Really Need Thermal "Grease" ?

Burnt_Ram · 04-24-04, 09:20 AM

hi all, ive had a MCX462+T for awile now, and i went to install it the other day, and upon reading the instuctions, i see i need thermal "grease" to put in the CPU socket ! or do i ? it didnt come with any

i'm wondering if any of you know where i might find some here in canada ? that is if i really do need it ...

fletch · 04-24-04, 09:22 AM

Yes, you need it, or a thermal pad. You put it on the processor die, or heat spreader. You can usually find it at local electronics stores. Just ask for thermal paste or thermal grease as you said.

SewerBeing · 04-24-04, 09:51 AM

Actually, I dont think its required, some guy was running without it fine also a while back. So for better temps put it on there, if your temps are fine <60 its your call.

9mmCensor · 04-24-04, 09:56 AM

It is highly recommended. www.bigfootcomputers.com has AS5 and Ceramique which are the two best pastes. It is pretty cheap and will keep your temp down, for long period of time.

infinity9 · 04-24-04, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by SewerBeing
Actually, I dont think its required, some guy was running without it fine also a while back. So for better temps put it on there, if your temps are fine <60 its your call.

Interesting. However it IS needed. The temperature your processor runs at will have a direct effect on its lifespan. No paste is just plain dumb. I had a video card brand new in the box the other day (radeon 9200se) that had a HSF with no paste on it. The reason I even checked was because the video card was making some strange artifacts. Why would you even want to try and prove it. If you have a very nice heatsink with a good laping job, then it will be less noticible to leave it off but its not a risk even worth taking.

ChiefScout · 04-24-04, 10:28 AM

hahah good call, running without a thermal paste is like......not smart

Boomstick · 04-24-04, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by 9mmCensor
It is highly recommended. www.bigfootcomputers.com has AS5 and Ceramique which are the two best pastes. It is pretty cheap and will keep your temp down, for long period of time.

This is correct.
Thermal compound is used to fill the microscopic valleys and peaks on the CPU and the heatsink. If you dont use anything to fill these valleys and peaks. thermal energy will have a difficult time leaving the CPU, possibly reducing the life of the chip.

julianba · 04-24-04, 10:31 AM

Thermal paste is mandatory, nuff said.

MaxPowers_68 · 04-24-04, 10:40 AM

MCX462+T + Thermal Grease = Lower temps!
Very simple equation.

galador · 04-24-04, 11:19 AM

Thermal paste is a very good idea on any cpu,but, I ran mine for a couple of weeks without any. The temps will just be a little higher.

Moto7451 · 04-24-04, 11:52 AM

Why would you bother not to put it on? I can get a cheap packet of Silicone based paste for 99¢ at Fry's Electronics or any other large computer retailer so why would I risk it. Even the el chepo stuff does a better job than just a bare HS&F. Of course you wouldn't want to use it for Overclocking. AS5, AS3, or even Arctic Alumina will be a much better choice for Overclocking (I could only get ~50MHz more out of a Duron 900 with the Sillicone paste when I built my first K7 Box).

infinity9 · 04-24-04, 11:57 AM

Hey just run your car without oil. It will run.

fletch · 04-24-04, 12:07 PM

I would still not, under any circumstance run an Athlon without some sort of thermal interface (pad/paste). I've seen a couple burn up and it scares me

Freddie · 04-24-04, 12:10 PM

You do need it. People use Artic Silver as it is the best, most people have a 3-8C difference from cheap stuff. It does not cost much and will do many cpus.

Capt Fiero · 04-24-04, 01:14 PM

The person that used the no oil in car vs oil in car was a pretty decent analogy. It will run but it will run much hotter till it siezes up.

If you are indeed in Vancouver. www.vibecomputers.com can be your best friend. They have AS5 shipping is less than 5$ or you can arrange to pu from noon to 5pm M-F at there distrobution center in Richmond. I can vouch for these guys. There prices are not the cheapest, but there Customer Service is 2nd to none. In most cases shipping is next day. Via UPS. I have bought fans, my new Antec 550w PSU and they have the coolest Modding Equipmnet. Heck that have a whole catagory on there web page for modding stuff.

Back to your topic. Thermal Compound is more like cooking on a cast iron griddle without using cooking oil to keep your food from sticking. You can do it, by why would you want to.

Korndog · 04-24-04, 01:16 PM

toothpaste works for a few days if u need something temperary..

Radical · 04-24-04, 06:14 PM

I would use some AS5 or Ceramique unless you want to have problems with the processor.

Mr.Radar · 04-24-04, 06:28 PM

You can certainly use things other than AS5 or Ceramique as long as they're designed to be thermal grease. I certainly wouldn't use toothpaste, even for a short time. It dries out in ~2 hours.

bulk88 · 04-24-04, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Radar
You can certainly use things other than AS5 or Ceramique as long as they're designed to be thermal grease. I certainly wouldn't use toothpaste, even for a short time. It dries out in ~2 hours.

so does a thermal pad!!!!

Colin · 04-24-04, 09:47 PM

Burnt_Ram - Thermal grease in the CPU socket? Perhaps you are refering to dielectric grease to avoid condensation issues?

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04-24-04, 09:22 AM	#2
fletch Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Euless, TX	Yes, you need it, or a thermal pad. You put it on the processor die, or heat spreader. You can usually find it at local electronics stores. Just ask for thermal paste or thermal grease as you said.
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9mmCensor Disabled Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Banned Camp	It is highly recommended. www.bigfootcomputers.com has AS5 and Ceramique which are the two best pastes. It is pretty cheap and will keep your temp down, for long period of time.
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04-24-04, 10:31 AM	#8
julianba Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NJ,USA	Thermal paste is mandatory, nuff said.
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Moto7451 Senior Something Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LA, CA	Why would you bother not to put it on? I can get a cheap packet of Silicone based paste for 99¢ at Fry's Electronics or any other large computer retailer so why would I risk it. Even the el chepo stuff does a better job than just a bare HS&F. Of course you wouldn't want to use it for Overclocking. AS5, AS3, or even Arctic Alumina will be a much better choice for Overclocking (I could only get ~50MHz more out of a Duron 900 with the Sillicone paste when I built my first K7 Box). __________________ Intel C2D e6400 @ 375MHz x8 = 3Ghz 1.328v, Gigabyte EP43-UD3L, 3GB DDR2, GeForce 9600GT, 73GB 15K SCSI HD/Adaptec 29160 SCSI Card, 750GB SATA Drive, 320GB ATA Drive, HDTV Tuner D5 Pump • Bonneville w/ AC Heater Core • Gemeni Cooling Maze 4 Style Water Block Sager 8690: Core i7 940XM Exreme 2.13GHz (3.2GHz Turbo), 4GB DDR3, GeForce GTX 285M 1GB, 15.6" 1080 LCD, 320GB 7200RPM HD Difference Between D5 Revisions + flow mod Difference between NPSM & G1/4
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fletch Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Euless, TX	I would still not, under any circumstance run an Athlon without some sort of thermal interface (pad/paste). I've seen a couple burn up and it scares me
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04-24-04, 12:10 PM	#14
Freddie Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England Uk	You do need it. People use Artic Silver as it is the best, most people have a 3-8C difference from cheap stuff. It does not cost much and will do many cpus.
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Capt Fiero Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada (near Vancouver)	The person that used the no oil in car vs oil in car was a pretty decent analogy. It will run but it will run much hotter till it siezes up. If you are indeed in Vancouver. www.vibecomputers.com can be your best friend. They have AS5 shipping is less than 5$ or you can arrange to pu from noon to 5pm M-F at there distrobution center in Richmond. I can vouch for these guys. There prices are not the cheapest, but there Customer Service is 2nd to none. In most cases shipping is next day. Via UPS. I have bought fans, my new Antec 550w PSU and they have the coolest Modding Equipmnet. Heck that have a whole catagory on there web page for modding stuff. Back to your topic. Thermal Compound is more like cooking on a cast iron griddle without using cooking oil to keep your food from sticking. You can do it, by why would you want to. __________________ [COLOR="White"][SIZE=1] My System CPU E8400 @ 3.84ghz Motherboard Biostar T45HP Ram 4GB Corsair (4x 1GB) Nvidia 8800GT OC2 Video Card. Logitech Revolution Laser Mouse 3.5 Terabytes of Storage Antec TruePower 750 Watt PSU XIGMATEK HDT S1283 Cooler
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Korndog Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California	toothpaste works for a few days if u need something temperary..
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Radical Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA	I would use some AS5 or Ceramique unless you want to have problems with the processor.
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Mr.Radar Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Currently on a silent vacation from overclocking.	You can certainly use things other than AS5 or Ceramique as long as they're designed to be thermal grease. I certainly wouldn't use toothpaste, even for a short time. It dries out in ~2 hours.
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