yeah, thats for real. as i understand it, it uses shorter lands/pits, and a better error correction code to write the data in a higher density to normal cd-rs. optorite's dual 8x dvd+-rw was the first drive to market with this. it has at least one obvious disadvantage: it's pretty much only readable in sanyo and optorite dvd burners that can burn the hd-cd format. In other words, it'll make a decent backup to media that is free (because c'mon, who pays for cd-r's), but only as long as you don't want to use it on other computers.