how big of a pump....

SatanSkin · 05-20-04, 10:38 PM

How big of a pump would be needed for a 4 block system? cpu>gpu>nb>rad>block cooled by a 110w pelt

Korndog · 05-20-04, 10:43 PM

lol, um.. atleast something with 10ft head..
Mag 5/7, DD D4, MCP600, or a iwaki 30RZ/20RZ would be great.

johan851 · 05-21-04, 12:17 AM

I wouldn't get the Mag 5 or the MCP 600...probably not quite enough head. The Mag 5 just adds heat to the water, so if you get something on the smaller end like that, then just get the Mag 3. The Mag 3 and 5 have the same head height. Mag 7 is a good choice, as are the Iwakis.

kouch · 05-21-04, 12:19 AM

yeah, if money is no object, can't beat the Iwaki's but if you are on a budget, go with mag5.

SatanSkin · 05-23-04, 10:02 PM

Thank you. and what is wrong with mcp600?

Korndog · 05-23-04, 11:10 PM

nothing really..
mag3/5 and mcp600 have the same head, but mcp600 has lower flow
if ur water block is restrictive, both pumps will work fine. if not, the mag 3/5 will do better.

keep in mind that mag 3/5 use 120v while the mcp600 can be plug in to ur power supply. for some this is a conveniance and others don't like it because its a noticble load on ur power supply (~9watts; like 4 fans) it really all depends on user preferance. both pumps are great quality so u really can't go wrong with either, but u should still be picky if ur spend that much.

SatanSkin · 05-24-04, 03:15 PM

If they are 120v, do they have a way to start up with the computer? or must you manually turn it on before hand?

Korndog · 05-24-04, 03:31 PM

u can either plug it into the powerstrip for ur computer (if u use one) and switch it on/off when u want to use ur computer, or you can get a relay which acts like a switch when your power supply turns on. you can build a relay if u have soldering skills or buy one from either swiftech or citricool.

thorilan · 05-24-04, 03:37 PM

look for a blueline pumps. they are the iwaki designers upgrade

PROkillernoodle · 05-24-04, 03:45 PM

Your system would have to generat 8ft of head pressure to justify the added power of the mcp600... This is around a 70gph flow rate, which is terribly low. After this point, the mag 3 is far more powerful than the MCP 600.

Cyrix_2k · 05-24-04, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Korndog
u can either plug it into the powerstrip for ur computer (if u use one) and switch it on/off when u want to use ur computer, or you can get a relay which acts like a switch when your power supply turns on. you can build a relay if u have soldering skills or buy one from either swiftech or citricool.

You only need EXTREMELY BASIC soldering skills to build a relay...

You could also leave the pump on 24/7 like a lot of us do...

SatanSkin · 05-24-04, 09:42 PM

thanks for the advice. any suggestions on good tutorials for building a relay? if not, i'll just look around.

Cyrix_2k · 05-24-04, 09:51 PM

It's really easy... First,cut one of the pumps wires (hot or neutral). Then solder the two cut ends to each of the two contacts of the NO (Normally open) side of the realy. Then wire the 12v line from a molex to the coil of the relay, so that the coil gets juice when you turn your computer on. The coil then closes the "Switch" to connect the cut line and the pump turns on.

NO=Normally Open (Means that when the coil has no juice, the switch is off)
NC=Normally Closed (means when the coil has no juice the switch is on. DON'T USE THIS OR THE PUMP WILL TURN OFF WHEN YOU TURN YOUR COMPUTER ON!!!!)
Coil=Coil (I think it's an electro magnet that flips the "Switch")

Hope that helps... If you don't know what that means, don't worry. I didn't until AFTER I wired my relay...

@md0Cer · 05-24-04, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by SatanSkin
If they are 120v, do they have a way to start up with the computer? or must you manually turn it on before hand?

I agree with what Korndog said. If you do get the pump that runs on 120V AC, just plug it into the powerstrip. I don't watercool yet, but I have a box fan, and without it, heat builds like mad in the corner that my comp is in, and I just have it go on with the powerstrip that the computer is plugged into. You kinda need to have the fan on to turn the comp on with it on the 'strip, so I guess the same thing applies to a pump

The good part about that is the pump does not drain off of your PSU.

lclark2074 · 05-25-04, 12:37 AM

I made mod on my PSU witch I soldered a cheep ext. cord on the backside of my PSU so when I turn on the PSU the water pump will come on too

SatanSkin · 05-25-04, 03:38 PM

cool. thanks a lot for all the help.

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05-20-04, 10:43 PM	#2
Korndog Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California	lol, um.. atleast something with 10ft head.. Mag 5/7, DD D4, MCP600, or a iwaki 30RZ/20RZ would be great.
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05-21-04, 12:17 AM	#3
johan851 Insatiably Malcontent Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	I wouldn't get the Mag 5 or the MCP 600...probably not quite enough head. The Mag 5 just adds heat to the water, so if you get something on the smaller end like that, then just get the Mag 3. The Mag 3 and 5 have the same head height. Mag 7 is a good choice, as are the Iwakis. __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 \| 2500K @ 4.6GHz \| 2x4GB Samsung DDR3 \| GTX460 768mb 120GB Crucial M4 \| 2x 2TB Samsung F4 \| Seasonic S12 600w AV-710 --> y2 DAC --> Custom M^3 --> Custom LM3875 ChipAmp --> Modula MTs Dual Dell 2007WFP \| Watercooled
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05-21-04, 12:19 AM	#4
kouch Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO	yeah, if money is no object, can't beat the Iwaki's but if you are on a budget, go with mag5.
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05-23-04, 10:02 PM	Thread Starter #5
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05-23-04, 11:10 PM	#6
Korndog Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California	nothing really.. mag3/5 and mcp600 have the same head, but mcp600 has lower flow if ur water block is restrictive, both pumps will work fine. if not, the mag 3/5 will do better. keep in mind that mag 3/5 use 120v while the mcp600 can be plug in to ur power supply. for some this is a conveniance and others don't like it because its a noticble load on ur power supply (~9watts; like 4 fans) it really all depends on user preferance. both pumps are great quality so u really can't go wrong with either, but u should still be picky if ur spend that much.
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05-24-04, 03:15 PM	Thread Starter #7
SatanSkin Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas/Camp Lejeune, NC	If they are 120v, do they have a way to start up with the computer? or must you manually turn it on before hand? __________________ Linux. DRM free since 1992! HWBot Heatware
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05-24-04, 03:31 PM	#8
Korndog Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California	u can either plug it into the powerstrip for ur computer (if u use one) and switch it on/off when u want to use ur computer, or you can get a relay which acts like a switch when your power supply turns on. you can build a relay if u have soldering skills or buy one from either swiftech or citricool.
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05-24-04, 03:37 PM	#9
thorilan Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Japan/Daytona Beach	look for a blueline pumps. they are the iwaki designers upgrade __________________ 697+ water coolled systems built , 0 leaks
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05-24-04, 03:45 PM	#10
PROkillernoodle Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Greenville, NC	Your system would have to generat 8ft of head pressure to justify the added power of the mcp600... This is around a 70gph flow rate, which is terribly low. After this point, the mag 3 is far more powerful than the MCP 600.
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05-24-04, 09:42 PM	Thread Starter #12
SatanSkin Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas/Camp Lejeune, NC	thanks for the advice. any suggestions on good tutorials for building a relay? if not, i'll just look around. __________________ Linux. DRM free since 1992! HWBot Heatware
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05-24-04, 09:51 PM	#13
Cyrix_2k Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, MD (School) - Westminster, MD (home)	It's really easy... First,cut one of the pumps wires (hot or neutral). Then solder the two cut ends to each of the two contacts of the NO (Normally open) side of the realy. Then wire the 12v line from a molex to the coil of the relay, so that the coil gets juice when you turn your computer on. The coil then closes the "Switch" to connect the cut line and the pump turns on. NO=Normally Open (Means that when the coil has no juice, the switch is off) NC=Normally Closed (means when the coil has no juice the switch is on. DON'T USE THIS OR THE PUMP WILL TURN OFF WHEN YOU TURN YOUR COMPUTER ON!!!!) Coil=Coil (I think it's an electro magnet that flips the "Switch") Hope that helps... If you don't know what that means, don't worry. I didn't until AFTER I wired my relay... __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen3 2500k @ 4.9ghz Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO vCore 1.287 \|Idle: 33°c \| Full load: 68°c 16gb Corsair XMS 3 \| Sapphire 6950 2GB UNLOCKED F O L D For Team 32!! Black belt Ubercloxx0r Audio Technica ATH-A900's "yet another issue with the R-series. If I actually use it on my lap, I can feel my sperm count dropping."
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05-25-04, 03:38 PM	Thread Starter #16
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