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why do the cpu giants release these low end cpus and market them as being crappy, couldnt they market them as lower powered p4s or athlons? ( a celeron 3.0 and call it a p4 2.2 or something) ? and make more money ?
 
There's a whole branch of study called Marketing that's responsible.

"Socket 939 will exist for at least the next three months as a placeholder to scare people into thinking that socket 754 systems aren't too badly priced, so they'll buy them instead."

"Sticker Shock"
Ed Stroligo - 5/23/04
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00588/
 
( a celeron 3.0 and call it a p4 2.2 or something) ? and make more money ?
Because it would be a lie, basically. Celerons aren't P4's, because a P4 has a lot more cache, faster FSB, etc. Also, Celerons give people something cheaper to buy when they can't afford a P4 system. The cost of a CPU is really rather low - it's the R & D and manufacturing equipment that cost so much. Intel still makes money on Celerons. Not as much as on a P4, but keep in mind that most of the people who buy a Celeron wouldn't purchase a P4 in the first place. They're the vital "budget option."
 
Its like having a Honda Civic and Honda Civic SI (SIR here in Canada). The civic isn't just a lower model then the SIR, its completely different performance wise. So you want the performance, your gonna pay extra. Its also to fill a gap since P4's start at more then the higher of the priced Celerons. That way you get customers that only have $100 right up to customers with $1000's (P4Extreme Editions)

Its smart advertising, all for the "ca ching".
 
Another thing also, is that the Celerons are basically faulty P4's and the Durons are faulty Athlon XP's. A P4 has 512kb L2 cache, the Celeron has 128kb L2 cache. Basically the Celeron is a faulty P4 that only part of the cache works, so they will still make some money rather than just throw away the partly faulty core.
 
haha, bchur83, celerons and durons are not the faulty versions of their athlon/p4 counterparts, they are actually designed to have only 128 of L2 cache, its not that only that much actually works. keep in mind, they also have slower bus speeds. now why would a company make slower processors?? because they're CHEAPER! and thats all ol' Ms. Sally next door, who only uses her comp for word processing and checking her "cutting edge" email, wants. she doesnt need 800FSB and a megabyte of L2 cache.
 
Pentiums and Celerons all use the exact same core and are made from the same waffer.
Intel just turns off some L2 cache and set the multiplier and defualt FSB different.
As for why they do this, reasons have already been said...

Athlons and Durons however are slightly different cores and are made slightly differently (untill Applebred). AMD put on Less L2 cache to save die space (thus money) As for current Durons (Applebred), as most people know, its the same core as a Barton Athlon, and you can turn on the rest of the L2 if you want
 
In a way, Intel's indirect pushing of processor frequencies is already lying to consumers. Think about the difference between a P4 2.4C and a Celeron 2400. The performance difference is huge. Hell, the 2.4C outperforms the "ultra-quick" Celly 2600.

*shrugs*

I think that instead of Celerons, Intel should sell more of the "slower" P4en.
 
Captain Newbie said:
In a way, Intel's indirect pushing of processor frequencies is already lying to consumers. Think about the difference between a P4 2.4C and a Celeron 2400. The performance difference is huge. Hell, the 2.4C outperforms the "ultra-quick" Celly 2600.

*shrugs*

I think that instead of Celerons, Intel should sell more of the "slower" P4en.

The Celeron is nothing new at all.
Intel has be doing this for years....
Except Pentiums were called "DX" and Celerons were called "SX"
aka 286 SX /DX
aka 386 SX /DX
aka 486 SX /DX

Pentium 1 was the only time Intel didnt have two CPU lines.

heck, even the XT had 2 versions.

8086 and the slower 8088
 
its because intel knows consumers are dumb. if they were educated they would go for a amd 2400+ or a duron instead of a celeron 2.6 because anandtech and otheres proved the athlon xp's and durons outperform celerons in every test like vid encoding and games and price. but consumers are more held up with the higher ghz then performance.
 
This type of thing happens in basically every product market out there. Wether it be golf clubs, tvs, cars, etc...

Companies would be just plain stupid not to market this way.
 
haha, bchur83, celerons and durons are not the faulty versions of their athlon/p4 counterparts, they are actually designed to have only 128 of L2 cache, its not that only that much actually works.
Actually dude, he's right. At least, a lot of the time. Some processors have a damaged section of cache, rendering them useless...UNLESS you can turn off, say, that half of the cache. The remaining cache is error free, and the processor works. Basically, you end up with a working Celeron instead of a dead P4. So yes, a lot of times Durons and Celerons are made from faulty Athlons and P4's.
 
The Celerons ARE P4 cores. I dont think the Duron is 'the same core' as Athlons. ALL Celerons ARE P4 Processors with less cache. The cores ARE identical.. (This is in the case of Intel ONLY.)

Z
 
Let's not forget OEMs. I know companies like Dell and whatnot snatch up Celerons, because the high numbers make their ad's look good to the average consumer, while staying cheap.
 
Zuzzz said:
The Celerons ARE P4 cores. I dont think the Duron is 'the same core' as Athlons. ALL Celerons ARE P4 Processors with less cache. The cores ARE identical.. (This is in the case of Intel ONLY.)

Z

Durons are SIMILAR to the Athlon XP (I believe the new ones are based upon either T-bred or Thorton/Barton) but are not core-design identical, IIRC. Celerons are internally identical with the exception of the cache SRAM.
 
Duron Morgans are palomino cores.
Duron Appalbreds are T-breds cores (was formally going to be marketed as Appaloosas.)
Thortons are Barton cores. I don't know if you can call those Durons.

Now if you look at the cores they're the same size as their XP counterparts so they were defective XPs
 
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