Convince You to use winXP!! Check it out

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:06 PM

Well i took the XP route and installed it last night, i was skeptical also like many of you but... i made some nice discoveries. With the help of"TweakXp" the TweakUI for the XP operating system, you can get a whole new way to get custom settings on your system and these are my findings.

All pics are 100% genuine and are not altered in any way

Below are the seting used for all tests--1024x960 32bit high color

and the 12.40 drivers ill do more tests wiht the 12.90's tonight and alsot he XP drivers the14.61's

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:13 PM

These were the settings used

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:25 PM

this was 3dmark 2000(i think its more reliable then 2001) score before the TweakXP program was applied

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:28 PM

this is after TweakXP was applied - Not a huge improvement but over 100 points is still an improvement!!

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:33 PM

This was the FPS in 2nd game 1st test. Without TweakXP running

I used the FPS at the end of the test so i could get the FPS over the entire average time not just a high FPS at the start of the Test

The highest FPS acheived in the test was 228 FPS

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:37 PM

i didnt add pic so here it is

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:40 PM

This is with TweakXP running - once again FPS was taken at the same time of the other picture above(end of test).

Max FPS on this run was 298 FPS!!

Yes its only a 100+ point gain in 3dmark but thats 70FPS more at the max, and 80.65 FPS more on average with the pics shown above- That is something to get excited about!!!

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:47 PM

These are what programs are running immediatly after a fresh bootup - its way less then my 2k box had running at a fresh boot up, and thats after a clean install

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:52 PM

And here are picture of the tweak menus thatwere used to change suystem settings(what got my high FPS)

I coulnt fit allof the picture inther but this is of the Memory Optimazation menu, also there was cache tweaking along with cpu optimazation- for ALL chips

oc jason · 08-20-01, 05:58 PM

Again i cannot fit all of the picture in ther but this if of the connection and modem tweaks and yes i do get an average of 30-38k faster dl speedfrom net and not got 1482kdl sec on dslreports.com

Notice the tweak buttons at the top left!!

oc jason · 08-20-01, 06:01 PM

Please give feedback as i took time to show you that XP is nt suchj a bloated hog that all think, give it a try and see how well it improves you system - i did this on a 750 and pc100 so imagine what a 1gig+ and some high FSB will do!!!

Feel Free to ask me ?'s if i am online - well happy tweaking to ya and sorry for taking up so much space skip

PS again all pics and screenshots are 100% unaltered except to make fit on the server

I am very happy with XP!!

fuzzba11 · 08-20-01, 06:24 PM

I look forward to getting it with my laptop with an upgrade coupon thing, but maybe I'll download it for my desktop

William · 08-20-01, 06:27 PM

I like what I see. I still want to see how product activation works out though.

oc jason · 08-20-01, 06:34 PM

it is "EASILY" activated

ken257 · 08-20-01, 06:47 PM

I am going to have to give tweak xp a try, that looks pretty nice. The most offensive thing is system restore although it didn't seem like quite the hog that it is in ME. Also I like switching back to classic mode guess I am just to used to the old locations of things. Overall I do like XP a lot it runs quite fast and I have not had any crashes yet.

Zeke009 · 08-20-01, 07:06 PM

Was it the Personal or Professional Edition?

Just wondering, I thought I saw on TechTV that the Professional did not have the activation nightmares of the personal. Granted that was early in the beta stages. I have numerous things about XP, good and bad.

I am about to install XP RC2 on my pc at work. Going to dual boot with Win2K Pro. Anyone done that?

UnseenMenace · 08-20-01, 07:25 PM

I glad that you are happy with it,

although there is nothing in your post that would convince me to try WinXP.
I still personally think that the OS looks 'childish' and to state that WinXP is not bloated could be due to the fact that by your own admitence, all this information was taken after " after a clean install ".. when a OS has a clean install its known to run faster and better. Give it a few months with MS Office and all your other software and after this period I would be interested in hearing an updated view

Obviously its all opinions, however XP has features I do not need as does Office XP which now features a real time word count feature (why??) it is features such as these that make Office XP bloated and likewise the same can be said about WinXP from what I have seen of it. IMHO

oc jason · 08-20-01, 07:46 PM

Yes it is Professional

You have misunderstood i dont mean a clean install on XP i mean there is less running after startup on XP then a clean install of 2000Pro - therefore XP uses less as an operating system - it is only a hog cause we make it be. but after a clean install of both Xp runs way less than 2k does

also did u ever get that kind of inprovements from some software - and have you ever gotten over 300FPS because of an Operating System -same card & setting on 2000 got less than half that. With 2000 i only got 3982 3dmarksm, and like 142FPS max

TranceBear · 08-20-01, 08:24 PM

What Jason said!! I am happy

oc jason · 08-20-01, 11:45 PM

using non XP drivers will really hurt this Operating System at least in the video dept - i installed the 12.90's which were aweome on my 2000 box , but dropped to3289 3dmarks - will post a pic later, and didnt break even 100FPS at all - when previously i hit over 300 but couldnt catch it or duplicate it?!?!?

08-20-01, 05:06 PM	Thread Starter #1
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	Convince You to use winXP!! Check it out Well i took the XP route and installed it last night, i was skeptical also like many of you but... i made some nice discoveries. With the help of"TweakXp" the TweakUI for the XP operating system, you can get a whole new way to get custom settings on your system and these are my findings. All pics are 100% genuine and are not altered in any way Below are the seting used for all tests--1024x960 32bit high color and the 12.40 drivers ill do more tests wiht the 12.90's tonight and alsot he XP drivers the14.61's __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:13 PM	Thread Starter #2
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	These were the settings used __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue Last edited by oc jason; 08-20-01 at 05:21 PM.
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08-20-01, 05:25 PM	Thread Starter #3
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	this was 3dmark 2000(i think its more reliable then 2001) score before the TweakXP program was applied __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:28 PM	Thread Starter #4
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	this is after TweakXP was applied - Not a huge improvement but over 100 points is still an improvement!! __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:33 PM	Thread Starter #5
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	This was the FPS in 2nd game 1st test. Without TweakXP running I used the FPS at the end of the test so i could get the FPS over the entire average time not just a high FPS at the start of the Test The highest FPS acheived in the test was 228 FPS __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue Last edited by oc jason; 08-20-01 at 05:37 PM.
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08-20-01, 05:37 PM	Thread Starter #6
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	i didnt add pic so here it is __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:40 PM	Thread Starter #7
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	This is with TweakXP running - once again FPS was taken at the same time of the other picture above(end of test). Max FPS on this run was 298 FPS!! Yes its only a 100+ point gain in 3dmark but thats 70FPS more at the max, and 80.65 FPS more on average with the pics shown above- That is something to get excited about!!! __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:47 PM	Thread Starter #8
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	These are what programs are running immediatly after a fresh bootup - its way less then my 2k box had running at a fresh boot up, and thats after a clean install __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:52 PM	Thread Starter #9
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	And here are picture of the tweak menus thatwere used to change suystem settings(what got my high FPS) I coulnt fit allof the picture inther but this is of the Memory Optimazation menu, also there was cache tweaking along with cpu optimazation- for ALL chips __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 05:58 PM	Thread Starter #10
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	Again i cannot fit all of the picture in ther but this if of the connection and modem tweaks and yes i do get an average of 30-38k faster dl speedfrom net and not got 1482kdl sec on dslreports.com Notice the tweak buttons at the top left!! __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue Last edited by oc jason; 08-20-01 at 06:49 PM.
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08-20-01, 06:01 PM	Thread Starter #11
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	Please give feedback as i took time to show you that XP is nt suchj a bloated hog that all think, give it a try and see how well it improves you system - i did this on a 750 and pc100 so imagine what a 1gig+ and some high FSB will do!!! Feel Free to ask me ?'s if i am online - well happy tweaking to ya and sorry for taking up so much space skip PS again all pics and screenshots are 100% unaltered except to make fit on the server I am very happy with XP!! __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 06:24 PM	#12
fuzzba11 Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: in the garage	I look forward to getting it with my laptop with an upgrade coupon thing, but maybe I'll download it for my desktop Last edited by fuzzba11; 08-20-01 at 08:37 PM.
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08-20-01, 06:27 PM	#13
William Prodigal Son Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tuscaloosa AL	I like what I see. I still want to see how product activation works out though. __________________ Cameron: Are you crazy, House? You can't divide by zero! The server is almost overloaded as it is, despite us having pumped it full of matrices! Foreman: He was right about that infinite sequence last week... maybe we didn't consider this could be an asymptotic problem. House: This is the only way! Sometimes solutions are NP complete and there's nothing anyone can do about it! Foreman, sneak into the physics department and reroute their servers to ours, we need the extra processors if we don't want this equation to go quadratic on us. Chase, patch the memory leak and install Matlab 9.3. Chase: Shouldn't we be using Mathematica for potentially asymptotic functions? House: When I want your opinion, I'll do an affine transformation to get it. I'm off to see Cuddy. Those parabolic eigenvalues of hers must be good for something.
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08-20-01, 06:34 PM	Thread Starter #14
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	it is "EASILY" activated __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 06:47 PM	#15
ken257 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000	I am going to have to give tweak xp a try, that looks pretty nice. The most offensive thing is system restore although it didn't seem like quite the hog that it is in ME. Also I like switching back to classic mode guess I am just to used to the old locations of things. Overall I do like XP a lot it runs quite fast and I have not had any crashes yet. __________________ Overclocking rule #1 If it ain't broke.....fix it!
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08-20-01, 07:06 PM	#16
Zeke009 Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Minnesota	Was it the Personal or Professional Edition? Just wondering, I thought I saw on TechTV that the Professional did not have the activation nightmares of the personal. Granted that was early in the beta stages. I have numerous things about XP, good and bad. I am about to install XP RC2 on my pc at work. Going to dual boot with Win2K Pro. Anyone done that?
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08-20-01, 07:25 PM	#17
UnseenMenace UnseenModerator Join Date: Apr 2001	I glad that you are happy with it, although there is nothing in your post that would convince me to try WinXP. I still personally think that the OS looks 'childish' and to state that WinXP is not bloated could be due to the fact that by your own admitence, all this information was taken after " after a clean install ".. when a OS has a clean install its known to run faster and better. Give it a few months with MS Office and all your other software and after this period I would be interested in hearing an updated view Obviously its all opinions, however XP has features I do not need as does Office XP which now features a real time word count feature (why??) it is features such as these that make Office XP bloated and likewise the same can be said about WinXP from what I have seen of it. IMHO __________________ one M15x is never enough Last edited by UnseenMenace; 08-20-01 at 07:31 PM.
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08-20-01, 07:46 PM	Thread Starter #18
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	Yes it is Professional You have misunderstood i dont mean a clean install on XP i mean there is less running after startup on XP then a clean install of 2000Pro - therefore XP uses less as an operating system - it is only a hog cause we make it be. but after a clean install of both Xp runs way less than 2k does also did u ever get that kind of inprovements from some software - and have you ever gotten over 300FPS because of an Operating System -same card & setting on 2000 got less than half that. With 2000 i only got 3982 3dmarksm, and like 142FPS max __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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08-20-01, 08:24 PM	#19
TranceBear Big Daddy Bear Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Denver, CO	What Jason said!! I am happy __________________ AMD 9950BE Phenom 3.5ghz 1.47v 250x14 CPU For Sale Coolermaster V-8 41c Idle-51c Load Asus M3A79-T Deluxe 790FX/SB750 G-Skill 2x2gb DDR2-800 5-5-5-15-24 2x74gb Raptors-2x750gb WD Raid-0 Antec 1200 Case/ Antec 1000 Watt P/S What's Fragging? I Don't Play Games It's About Bragging Right's, Right? My Heatware 100% since 2002
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08-20-01, 11:45 PM	Thread Starter #20
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	using non XP drivers will really hurt this Operating System at least in the video dept - i installed the 12.90's which were aweome on my 2000 box , but dropped to3289 3dmarks - will post a pic later, and didnt break even 100FPS at all - when previously i hit over 300 but couldnt catch it or duplicate it?!?!? __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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