how to identify R360 in 9800 pro

Lifthanger · 07-17-04, 05:37 PM

Hi.
Is there a way, like comparing designs or something, to know wether a radeon 9800 pro has a R360 chip or not?
Do these 256MB DDRII cards always have the new core?
What about the Sapphire Atlantis 256MB DDRII 9800 pro ?
Has 2.26ns Samsung mem

What about this design?

Help would be appreciated!
Thanks

=ACID RAIN= · 07-17-04, 05:55 PM

The bottom one typically has the 360 core. The only way to know for sure is to pop the heatsink off and take a look.

Edit: Let me add that the bottom one is also the XT pcb

KeepItCool101 · 07-17-04, 06:26 PM

im pretty sure ive read about some programs that can tell you what core but to be 100% you have to take the heatsink off and look at the core

Styyn · 07-17-04, 07:07 PM

ATITool will tell you which core you have. Also, last I knew, they switched back to DDR from DDRII for the R360, so if you have DDRII you know it's definitely an R350.

Lifthanger · 07-17-04, 07:15 PM

thanks for your infos.
I'd know how to find out if the card was mine, but I want to buy one

.
If DDRII is a sign of 350 than the sapphire is R350.. hmm
but the other one has ddrII ram, too...
damn this is like a lottery

=ACID RAIN= · 07-17-04, 08:05 PM

Quote:

damn this is like a lottery

Truer words have never been spoken

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 08:01 AM

all right, I've bought the card on the second picture.
I'm pretty sure this is an XT with a pro bios.
Just gotta wait until its shipped..
thanks for your help!

NiTrO bOiE · 07-18-04, 08:19 AM

Good luck. I bought the second card too, and it was indeed an XT.

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 08:27 AM

Thanks!
These black, little chips are missing on most 9800 pro layouts, so I guess they are used to provide current to the new GPU.
Is there a thermal diode (famous LM63) placed on your card?
Same question, different version: Does your card support overdrive?
This card was 230€ in ebay.com. In ebay germany, you'd have to pay 260€, for a second hand 9800 pro and up to 350€ for a XT.. so I've just saved 120€ (150$)

Maybe I'm lucky this time... my 3 months "old" 9600xt was crap..

NiTrO bOiE · 07-18-04, 08:36 AM

Yes on the temp monitoring chip, no on overdrive. I think it only works on 256MB cards.

jiggamanjb · 07-18-04, 08:42 AM

So according to the posts I should get the 9800 that looks like the bottom pic? I did a search on Newegg and found a lot of 9800's that were all the same price, what gives?

http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduc...E&srchFor=9800

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 08:42 AM

If the LM36 is there, your card is definitely a XT!

My card has 256MB, so maybe I'm really lucky!
This the one at Newegg
linky

=ACID RAIN= · 07-18-04, 09:49 AM

I bought the 256MB BBA at newegg, which is really an XT waiting to be let loose

I have overdrive and temp monitoring. As I type this, the core is 55C.

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 09:54 AM

congrats

and thanks, because I've bought the card following your recommendation (and some researches done by myself)!
I don't know anything about core temps on these cards, but my 9600XT with VGA silencer is at 28C at the mo

.
I guess the VGA silencer Rev. 3 wouldn't fit on this 9800 pro as its XT layout ?!

btw: which bios did you use to flash your card?

=ACID RAIN= · 07-18-04, 10:36 AM

Here is an extensive BIOS collection

http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/bios.php

I had the 2.5ns Hynix ram, so I used the BIOS that matched that:
ATI - 9800 XT 256 MB - 2003-10-03 15:07 - 2004-03-14 11:51 - 412 / 365 - (Hynix 2.5)

When you get the card, run ATItool first to make sure it will handle the 412/365 jump that the new BIOS will enact. i found my card handled 430/390 without artifacts, so I knew I was in the clear

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 10:51 AM

thank you once again.
I'm not sure yet, wether I should flash the bios or not... I guess the power of a 9800 pro is enough for almost any task.
Maybe I'll flash it, when a vga silencer and ramsinks are applied.

=ACID RAIN= · 07-18-04, 11:31 AM

If it is truly an XT with the 360 core, you WILL need the vga silencer, but you WON'T need ramsinks. They may help some (like 10 MHz at best), but they aren't required. It's up to you really, but I don't have them on mine at present, however I am cutting some....the hacksaw and chunks of a large Slot-A heatsink are on the patio as I type this

Lifthanger · 07-18-04, 12:31 PM

I've already ordered some copper bga sinks.
If my VGA silencer rev. 3 fits, I'll apply it at once, as the stock cooler seems very cheap to me

. Did you try to overclock your card? Is it neccessary for actual games?

=ACID RAIN= · 07-18-04, 01:45 PM

I overclocked mine to 430/390 for benching, but I didn't try to push it.
You will not need to overclock it for current games. When you get it and see it's performance, you will absolutely love it

07-17-04, 05:37 PM	Thread Starter #1
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	how to identify R360 in 9800 pro Hi. Is there a way, like comparing designs or something, to know wether a radeon 9800 pro has a R360 chip or not? Do these 256MB DDRII cards always have the new core? What about the Sapphire Atlantis 256MB DDRII 9800 pro ? Has 2.26ns Samsung mem What about this design? Help would be appreciated! Thanks __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox Last edited by Lifthanger; 07-17-04 at 05:49 PM.
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07-17-04, 05:55 PM	#2
=ACID RAIN= Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kingwood, TX	The bottom one typically has the 360 core. The only way to know for sure is to pop the heatsink off and take a look. Edit: Let me add that the bottom one is also the XT pcb __________________ MY HEAT \| Websense who? \| Windows lockdown Mine: Q6600 . IP35 Pro . 8GB RAM . Velociraptor 150 . Win7 Enterprise Wife: E6600 . GA-G31M-ES2 . 4GB RAM . Buncha drives . WinXP Pro Domain Controller: E6600 . GA-G31M-S2L . 2GB RAM . 36GB Raptor . 2 x 1.5TB WD Green . 2008 R2 HTPC: E6300 . P5B . 1GB RAM . 320GB . Win7 Enterprise Sandbox 1: Dell Optiplex GX270 SFF (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 120GB . FreeBSD 7.2 Sandbox 2: 3800+ X2. K8N Neo4 (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 4 x 400GB RAID0 . 2008 R2 (WDS, WSUS) Sandbox 3: Opteron 146 . 768MB RAM . 120GB . 2008 R2 (headless, no video, remote only) Laptop: Vostro 1700 . 4GB RAM . Win7 Enterprise
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07-17-04, 06:26 PM	#3
KeepItCool101 Member Join Date: May 2004	im pretty sure ive read about some programs that can tell you what core but to be 100% you have to take the heatsink off and look at the core
	QUOTE Thanks

07-17-04, 07:07 PM	#4
Styyn Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Paul, MN	ATITool will tell you which core you have. Also, last I knew, they switched back to DDR from DDRII for the R360, so if you have DDRII you know it's definitely an R350.
	QUOTE Thanks

07-17-04, 07:15 PM	Thread Starter #5
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	thanks for your infos. I'd know how to find out if the card was mine, but I want to buy one . If DDRII is a sign of 350 than the sapphire is R350.. hmm but the other one has ddrII ram, too... damn this is like a lottery __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
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07-18-04, 08:01 AM	Thread Starter #7
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	all right, I've bought the card on the second picture. I'm pretty sure this is an XT with a pro bios. Just gotta wait until its shipped.. thanks for your help! __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 08:19 AM	#8
NiTrO bOiE Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC	Good luck. I bought the second card too, and it was indeed an XT. __________________ CPU: AMD 64 3000+ DTR @ 2750 MB: DFI Lanparty UT 250GB Memory: 2x 1GB G.Skill PC3200 Video: Radeon X800XT-PE w/ Maze 4 GPU Hard Drives: 36GB Raptor (Main) 160GB Hitachi (Storage) Optical Storage: 44x CD, 8x DVD-RW Sound: Audigy 2 ZS Case & Power: Black Chieftec FT w/ Window, Antec TP 430 Watercooled WW, Pro Core (2) 120mm Deltas, Hydor L20 Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
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07-18-04, 08:27 AM	Thread Starter #9
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	Thanks! These black, little chips are missing on most 9800 pro layouts, so I guess they are used to provide current to the new GPU. Is there a thermal diode (famous LM63) placed on your card? Same question, different version: Does your card support overdrive? This card was 230€ in ebay.com. In ebay germany, you'd have to pay 260€, for a second hand 9800 pro and up to 350€ for a XT.. so I've just saved 120€ (150$) Maybe I'm lucky this time... my 3 months "old" 9600xt was crap.. __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 08:36 AM	#10
NiTrO bOiE Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC	Yes on the temp monitoring chip, no on overdrive. I think it only works on 256MB cards. __________________ CPU: AMD 64 3000+ DTR @ 2750 MB: DFI Lanparty UT 250GB Memory: 2x 1GB G.Skill PC3200 Video: Radeon X800XT-PE w/ Maze 4 GPU Hard Drives: 36GB Raptor (Main) 160GB Hitachi (Storage) Optical Storage: 44x CD, 8x DVD-RW Sound: Audigy 2 ZS Case & Power: Black Chieftec FT w/ Window, Antec TP 430 Watercooled WW, Pro Core (2) 120mm Deltas, Hydor L20 Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 08:42 AM	#11
jiggamanjb Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MI, USA	So according to the posts I should get the 9800 that looks like the bottom pic? I did a search on Newegg and found a lot of 9800's that were all the same price, what gives? http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduc...E&srchFor=9800 __________________ MAIN: Biostar H61MGC / i3 - 2120 Sandy / Team Elite 8GB DDR3 1333 / 300GB V-Raptor / OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 6870 / Case: Modded CM 690 / Logitech Z-640 5.1 w/ Onboard Audio / Westy 22in Widescreen / Emprex 22" Widescreen for static viewing HTPC/SERVER/ETC: Biostar H77MU3 / Core i3-3220T / CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 / PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W 80 PLUS Bronze G.SKILL Phoenix Pro 60GB SSD ( OS ) + WD 20EARS 2TB 64MB Cache ( Video, Music, Pictures ) + 500GB Hitachi ( TV recordings ) / Custom Rosewill CHALLENGER (2) AVerMedia AVerTVHD Duet - PCTV Tuner / HP Media Remote / Antennacraft Colorstar C490 Everything you need to know about Power Supplies and buying a new one ___ Heatware ___Retired Case: Modded Full Tower
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07-18-04, 08:42 AM	Thread Starter #12
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	If the LM36 is there, your card is definitely a XT! My card has 256MB, so maybe I'm really lucky! This the one at Newegg linky __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 09:49 AM	#13
=ACID RAIN= Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kingwood, TX	I bought the 256MB BBA at newegg, which is really an XT waiting to be let loose I have overdrive and temp monitoring. As I type this, the core is 55C. __________________ MY HEAT \| Websense who? \| Windows lockdown Mine: Q6600 . IP35 Pro . 8GB RAM . Velociraptor 150 . Win7 Enterprise Wife: E6600 . GA-G31M-ES2 . 4GB RAM . Buncha drives . WinXP Pro Domain Controller: E6600 . GA-G31M-S2L . 2GB RAM . 36GB Raptor . 2 x 1.5TB WD Green . 2008 R2 HTPC: E6300 . P5B . 1GB RAM . 320GB . Win7 Enterprise Sandbox 1: Dell Optiplex GX270 SFF (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 120GB . FreeBSD 7.2 Sandbox 2: 3800+ X2. K8N Neo4 (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 4 x 400GB RAID0 . 2008 R2 (WDS, WSUS) Sandbox 3: Opteron 146 . 768MB RAM . 120GB . 2008 R2 (headless, no video, remote only) Laptop: Vostro 1700 . 4GB RAM . Win7 Enterprise
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 09:54 AM	Thread Starter #14
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	congrats and thanks, because I've bought the card following your recommendation (and some researches done by myself)! I don't know anything about core temps on these cards, but my 9600XT with VGA silencer is at 28C at the mo . I guess the VGA silencer Rev. 3 wouldn't fit on this 9800 pro as its XT layout ?! btw: which bios did you use to flash your card? __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox Last edited by Lifthanger; 07-18-04 at 10:16 AM.
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 10:36 AM	#15
=ACID RAIN= Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kingwood, TX	Here is an extensive BIOS collection http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/bios.php I had the 2.5ns Hynix ram, so I used the BIOS that matched that: ATI - 9800 XT 256 MB - 2003-10-03 15:07 - 2004-03-14 11:51 - 412 / 365 - (Hynix 2.5) When you get the card, run ATItool first to make sure it will handle the 412/365 jump that the new BIOS will enact. i found my card handled 430/390 without artifacts, so I knew I was in the clear __________________ MY HEAT \| Websense who? \| Windows lockdown Mine: Q6600 . IP35 Pro . 8GB RAM . Velociraptor 150 . Win7 Enterprise Wife: E6600 . GA-G31M-ES2 . 4GB RAM . Buncha drives . WinXP Pro Domain Controller: E6600 . GA-G31M-S2L . 2GB RAM . 36GB Raptor . 2 x 1.5TB WD Green . 2008 R2 HTPC: E6300 . P5B . 1GB RAM . 320GB . Win7 Enterprise Sandbox 1: Dell Optiplex GX270 SFF (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 120GB . FreeBSD 7.2 Sandbox 2: 3800+ X2. K8N Neo4 (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 4 x 400GB RAID0 . 2008 R2 (WDS, WSUS) Sandbox 3: Opteron 146 . 768MB RAM . 120GB . 2008 R2 (headless, no video, remote only) Laptop: Vostro 1700 . 4GB RAM . Win7 Enterprise Last edited by =ACID RAIN=; 07-18-04 at 10:43 AM.
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07-18-04, 10:51 AM	Thread Starter #16
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	thank you once again. I'm not sure yet, wether I should flash the bios or not... I guess the power of a 9800 pro is enough for almost any task. Maybe I'll flash it, when a vga silencer and ramsinks are applied. __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 11:31 AM	#17
=ACID RAIN= Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kingwood, TX	If it is truly an XT with the 360 core, you WILL need the vga silencer, but you WON'T need ramsinks. They may help some (like 10 MHz at best), but they aren't required. It's up to you really, but I don't have them on mine at present, however I am cutting some....the hacksaw and chunks of a large Slot-A heatsink are on the patio as I type this __________________ MY HEAT \| Websense who? \| Windows lockdown Mine: Q6600 . IP35 Pro . 8GB RAM . Velociraptor 150 . Win7 Enterprise Wife: E6600 . GA-G31M-ES2 . 4GB RAM . Buncha drives . WinXP Pro Domain Controller: E6600 . GA-G31M-S2L . 2GB RAM . 36GB Raptor . 2 x 1.5TB WD Green . 2008 R2 HTPC: E6300 . P5B . 1GB RAM . 320GB . Win7 Enterprise Sandbox 1: Dell Optiplex GX270 SFF (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 120GB . FreeBSD 7.2 Sandbox 2: 3800+ X2. K8N Neo4 (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 4 x 400GB RAID0 . 2008 R2 (WDS, WSUS) Sandbox 3: Opteron 146 . 768MB RAM . 120GB . 2008 R2 (headless, no video, remote only) Laptop: Vostro 1700 . 4GB RAM . Win7 Enterprise
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07-18-04, 12:31 PM	Thread Starter #18
Lifthanger Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wöschbach LMAO	I've already ordered some copper bga sinks. If my VGA silencer rev. 3 fits, I'll apply it at once, as the stock cooler seems very cheap to me . Did you try to overclock your card? Is it neccessary for actual games? __________________ Gentoo AMD64 - Fluxbox
	QUOTE Thanks

07-18-04, 01:45 PM	#19
=ACID RAIN= Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kingwood, TX	I overclocked mine to 430/390 for benching, but I didn't try to push it. You will not need to overclock it for current games. When you get it and see it's performance, you will absolutely love it __________________ MY HEAT \| Websense who? \| Windows lockdown Mine: Q6600 . IP35 Pro . 8GB RAM . Velociraptor 150 . Win7 Enterprise Wife: E6600 . GA-G31M-ES2 . 4GB RAM . Buncha drives . WinXP Pro Domain Controller: E6600 . GA-G31M-S2L . 2GB RAM . 36GB Raptor . 2 x 1.5TB WD Green . 2008 R2 HTPC: E6300 . P5B . 1GB RAM . 320GB . Win7 Enterprise Sandbox 1: Dell Optiplex GX270 SFF (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 120GB . FreeBSD 7.2 Sandbox 2: 3800+ X2. K8N Neo4 (new caps) . 1GB RAM . 4 x 400GB RAID0 . 2008 R2 (WDS, WSUS) Sandbox 3: Opteron 146 . 768MB RAM . 120GB . 2008 R2 (headless, no video, remote only) Laptop: Vostro 1700 . 4GB RAM . Win7 Enterprise
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