Horizontal or Vertical Rad?

2Busy · 08-07-04, 02:29 PM

In the planning stages now, was wondering on placing a rad horizontal vs vertical? I have heard of a few people claiming that it is hard to bleed a rad that is horizontal? I have a Chieftec Dragon Full tower, and have contemplated putting a 77 Bonneville heatercore in the top and either exhausting the air out the top or pulling the air in. The other alternative would be to remove the lower drive bay and place this rad vertical in the front of the case. All feedback greatly appreicated!

fhanderson · 08-07-04, 03:03 PM

If you use the bonneville heater core, you might lose both drive bays. I'm putting one in an Antec SX835 case which is the same basic frame work as the Dragon. Here are a couple photos

thorilan · 08-07-04, 04:05 PM

yes bleeding is more dificult.
fundimentaly you should have your rad at the mid point in your loop as you want the air to leave the rad but air travels upwards so its hard for it to get out of the highest point of the loop

2Busy · 08-07-04, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thorilan

yes bleeding is more dificult.
fundimentaly you should have your rad at the mid point in your loop as you want the air to leave the rad but air travels upwards so its hard for it to get out of the highest point of the loop

Makes sense. Has anyone ever modded a rad to have a neck like a real auto radiator, so it could be bled and filled from the neck?

Guderian · 08-07-04, 10:34 PM

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Has anyone ever modded a rad to have a neck like a real auto radiator, so it could be bled and filled from the neck?

I know someone put a third barb in the tanks, if thats what you mean.

Wasn't that you Thorilan? Or Weapon?

2Busy · 08-07-04, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Guderian

I know someone put a third barb in the tanks, if thats what you mean.

Wasn't that you Thorilan? Or Weapon?

Wasn't me. I wasn't actually thinking of a third barb. Just a neck out the top of a vertical mount res with a cap, just like a car radiator.

2Busy · 08-07-04, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fhanderson

If you use the bonneville heater core, you might lose both drive bays. I'm putting one in an Antec SX835 case which is the same basic frame work as the Dragon. Here are a couple photos

Ive got the full tower version, but it looks like the dimensions are the same below the 5-1/4 cages. Roughly about 13 inches.

Como · 08-08-04, 09:21 AM

i'm in the process of putting a 77 benneville rad in my case (like yours only not the full version) that puts it in the bottom but will not remove iether drive bay.

Notice the 2" gap between the drive cages and the mobo tray. Notice the 6" gap between the mobo and the front of the case. Notice the 12" gap between the bottom of the case and the 5.25" bays.

Its gonna be a tight one, but thats where i'm putting one. (i'd like to add two more later, and i know where to put em

)

thorilan · 08-08-04, 09:35 AM

wasnt me that put the drain valve in rad tank but was a good idea and i remember someone posting it too just cant remember name

tricknasty · 08-08-04, 11:33 AM

nice job on the heatercore. im using the same one in my case. just finished cutting off the bends and painting it

DeViL_909 · 08-08-04, 03:58 PM

Not sure, but painting the fins could be a bad idea. May hurt temps a little bit. I painted the outside of mine, but had masked all the fins off.

tricknasty · 08-08-04, 04:52 PM

oh my fins arent painted, i covered them, only the sides/top/bottom are painted.

trip0d · 08-08-04, 04:59 PM

the only thing im wondering about is how u wuld mount the drives again..i know there are 3.5 to 5.25 adapters..but im not sure of how else to put the drives in...3+ drives and 1 or 2 roms would be very very tight

CAPiTA · 08-08-04, 05:34 PM

I'm in the process of placing the rad vertical instead of horizontal. Having the rad at the top was making things too difficult: The system was too hard to bleed and temps were not what they could be. I would rather loose all my 3.5" bays than my 5.25" ones. I lost two 5.25" bays when I mounted the rad at the top, which caused me to lose my fan controller and my DVD drive.

Mounting it vertically is going to make it a lot easier for a number of reasons. First off, you'll be able to bleed the system much better and quicker than with the rad mounted horizontally.

Secondly, It'll be able to silence the HDDs by using elastic bands that are stretched between the 5.25" bays. There was an article here on OCforums but I can't remember where it was. Can anyone provide a link?

Additionally, temps will improve. You'll have enough room to install a shroud; something that I couldn't do with the rad mounted at the top.

Finally, the noise level will drop due to the absence of the 80mm fans and the shroud.

Hope that helps.

Guderian · 08-08-04, 06:17 PM

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Can anyone provide a link?

I know this isn't the one your thinking of, but its the same idea

NOTE: Pics approx. halfway down the page.

Como · 08-09-04, 08:05 AM

i really hate to nag, but you can mount it vertically without loosing any drive bays, i'd be finishing mine today but i have a job interview i have to get ready for (yeah...time for a shower)

my earlyer post described it...

and instead of a shroud i'm using case intakes at 7V and using hte rad as an exaust. cant spread the air out better than that

nartac · 08-09-04, 09:02 AM

I'm lucky to have a huge Antec 1240 case where I can place my hc at the top. Lost 3 bay spaces but that case has lots of bay spaces. to avoid bubbles, I try to fill as much as possible with the computer on it's side. It works pretty well.

2Busy · 08-09-04, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nartac

I'm lucky to have a huge Antec 1240 case where I can place my hc at the top. Lost 3 bay spaces but that case has lots of bay spaces. to avoid bubbles, I try to fill as much as possible with the computer on it's side. It works pretty well.

My case is similar, a Chieftec Dragon full tower. I was thinking about putting
it directly over the power supply. I have a 120mm blowhole centered in the top now, I may utilize that one and drill another one next to it back towards
the psu.

nartac · 08-09-04, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Busy

My case is similar, a Chieftec Dragon full tower. I was thinking about putting
it directly over the power supply. I have a 120mm blowhole centered in the top now, I may utilize that one and drill another one next to it back towards
the psu.

that's exactly where I placed my 2-302 hc, brotha

Cyrix_2k · 08-09-04, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Busy

My case is similar, a Chieftec Dragon full tower. I was thinking about putting
it directly over the power supply. I have a 120mm blowhole centered in the top now, I may utilize that one and drill another one next to it back towards
the psu.

I put mine there...

08-07-04, 02:29 PM	Thread Starter #1
2Busy Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oklahoma	Horizontal or Vertical Rad? In the planning stages now, was wondering on placing a rad horizontal vs vertical? I have heard of a few people claiming that it is hard to bleed a rad that is horizontal? I have a Chieftec Dragon Full tower, and have contemplated putting a 77 Bonneville heatercore in the top and either exhausting the air out the top or pulling the air in. The other alternative would be to remove the lower drive bay and place this rad vertical in the front of the case. All feedback greatly appreicated!
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08-07-04, 03:03 PM	#2
fhanderson Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parma, OH	If you use the bonneville heater core, you might lose both drive bays. I'm putting one in an Antec SX835 case which is the same basic frame work as the Dragon. Here are a couple photos __________________ 1.2G Celeron at 1740 Asus TUSL2-C P4 650, 4.42G DFI LP 875-PT OCZ PC 4200 P 930D at 4.2G P5WD2 P OCZ DDR2 667 Last edited by fhanderson; 08-07-04 at 05:50 PM.
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08-07-04, 04:05 PM	#3
thorilan Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Japan/Daytona Beach	yes bleeding is more dificult. fundimentaly you should have your rad at the mid point in your loop as you want the air to leave the rad but air travels upwards so its hard for it to get out of the highest point of the loop
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08-08-04, 09:21 AM	#8
Como Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Maine	i'm in the process of putting a 77 benneville rad in my case (like yours only not the full version) that puts it in the bottom but will not remove iether drive bay. Notice the 2" gap between the drive cages and the mobo tray. Notice the 6" gap between the mobo and the front of the case. Notice the 12" gap between the bottom of the case and the 5.25" bays. Its gonna be a tight one, but thats where i'm putting one. (i'd like to add two more later, and i know where to put em ) __________________ This space is for rent.* *I'm Lying
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08-08-04, 09:35 AM	#9
thorilan Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Japan/Daytona Beach	wasnt me that put the drain valve in rad tank but was a good idea and i remember someone posting it too just cant remember name
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tricknasty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles	nice job on the heatercore. im using the same one in my case. just finished cutting off the bends and painting it Last edited by tricknasty; 08-08-04 at 12:47 PM.
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tricknasty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles	oh my fins arent painted, i covered them, only the sides/top/bottom are painted.
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trip0d Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Michigan State Uni	the only thing im wondering about is how u wuld mount the drives again..i know there are 3.5 to 5.25 adapters..but im not sure of how else to put the drives in...3+ drives and 1 or 2 roms would be very very tight
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08-08-04, 05:34 PM	#14
CAPiTA Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada	I'm in the process of placing the rad vertical instead of horizontal. Having the rad at the top was making things too difficult: The system was too hard to bleed and temps were not what they could be. I would rather loose all my 3.5" bays than my 5.25" ones. I lost two 5.25" bays when I mounted the rad at the top, which caused me to lose my fan controller and my DVD drive. Mounting it vertically is going to make it a lot easier for a number of reasons. First off, you'll be able to bleed the system much better and quicker than with the rad mounted horizontally. Secondly, It'll be able to silence the HDDs by using elastic bands that are stretched between the 5.25" bays. There was an article here on OCforums but I can't remember where it was. Can anyone provide a link? Additionally, temps will improve. You'll have enough room to install a shroud; something that I couldn't do with the rad mounted at the top. Finally, the noise level will drop due to the absence of the 80mm fans and the shroud. Hope that helps.
	QUOTE Thanks

08-09-04, 08:05 AM	#16
Como Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Maine	i really hate to nag, but you can mount it vertically without loosing any drive bays, i'd be finishing mine today but i have a job interview i have to get ready for (yeah...time for a shower) my earlyer post described it... and instead of a shroud i'm using case intakes at 7V and using hte rad as an exaust. cant spread the air out better than that __________________ This space is for rent.* *I'm Lying
	QUOTE Thanks

08-09-04, 09:02 AM	#17
nartac Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: California	I'm lucky to have a huge Antec 1240 case where I can place my hc at the top. Lost 3 bay spaces but that case has lots of bay spaces. to avoid bubbles, I try to fill as much as possible with the computer on it's side. It works pretty well.
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