Budget Buyers Beware / zipzoomfly question

Baalzevuv · 10-06-04, 02:20 PM

I've been building a lot of computers lately for family members and one of the things I like to start with are the P4 533A Terminator bare bones kit from Asus. I've always had a liking for Asus and the cases are "cute" and size friendly. The kit uses a P4SC-E TriOptix form factor motherboard. To go with it, I purchased a P4 2.4GHZ Prescott since zipzoomfly.com has them dirt cheap.

Anyways, after 2 hours of banging my head on the wall, I found a review at newegg.com where some dude was having the same issue. It turns out the Prescotts simply don't work with the P4SC-E motherboard. I have no idea why. I know it is not mentioned anywhere on ASUS's web page or zipzoomfly's web page. Also, there are no bios updates to fix it.

I emailed zipzoomfly and have yet to receive a response from them. It generally takes them a day, so I am not worried yet. Are they good about returns? This is the first problem I have had with anything I have purchased from them.

Albuquerque · 10-06-04, 04:37 PM

While your findings on the Prescott and this motherboard are good to put in here, your question about ZipZoomFly would best be answered (and posted) in the Vendor Discussion section of the forums. From the main forum menu, scroll to the very bottom to find the Vendor Discussion area.

Your question will be answered much faster there

fabulouscoops · 10-06-04, 05:44 PM

According to the Asus website, that mobo only supports P4 processors 3.0 GHz and up. Here's the link to Asus.

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...0533A&langs=09

man_utd · 10-06-04, 05:54 PM

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wow, that means it can go over 3ghz...

fabulouscoops · 10-06-04, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by man_utd

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wow, that means it can go over 3ghz...

Right, but he was using a 2.4 GHz CPU, which is not supported.

Baalzevuv · 10-06-04, 06:46 PM

I have the same barebones kit for my wife and run a 2.26GHZ Northwood in it.

When they say it "supports Intel Pentium 4 processors" they should be less ambiguous and say it "supports Intel Pentium 4 processors, except for the Prescotts, you schmuck."

man_utd · 10-06-04, 06:55 PM

Fabulous, you are just completely misreading that. What it says is that is can go over 3ghz, but also under 3ghz, look on any motherboard ever produced, it has the exact same thing, they say yes we can go over xxxxmhz, but that doesnt mean well, we only let people use this and nothing under. Same thing for heatsinks.

fabulouscoops · 10-06-04, 11:05 PM

OK man_, I learned something. I was not familiar with that form factor and figured most mobos are downward compatable but the way it is written is funny.

"CPU Support - Intel socket478 Pentium 4 processors 3.0GHz+"

They should have defined support by cache and fsb if all speeds were allowed anyway.

BTW the P4 Terminator 533 (non A) does say willamette and northwood only.
Since "A" stands for the 533 fsb, 1 MB cache prescotts in the Intel code, it is reasonable to assume that the "A" in the Terminator 533A designation might also mean that that barebones takes prescotts. Also, since the CPU support information says socket478 Pentium 4 processors, I can see why you might have a beef.

10-06-04, 02:20 PM	Thread Starter #1
Baalzevuv Registered Join Date: Sep 2004	Budget Buyers Beware / zipzoomfly question I've been building a lot of computers lately for family members and one of the things I like to start with are the P4 533A Terminator bare bones kit from Asus. I've always had a liking for Asus and the cases are "cute" and size friendly. The kit uses a P4SC-E TriOptix form factor motherboard. To go with it, I purchased a P4 2.4GHZ Prescott since zipzoomfly.com has them dirt cheap. Anyways, after 2 hours of banging my head on the wall, I found a review at newegg.com where some dude was having the same issue. It turns out the Prescotts simply don't work with the P4SC-E motherboard. I have no idea why. I know it is not mentioned anywhere on ASUS's web page or zipzoomfly's web page. Also, there are no bios updates to fix it. I emailed zipzoomfly and have yet to receive a response from them. It generally takes them a day, so I am not worried yet. Are they good about returns? This is the first problem I have had with anything I have purchased from them.
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10-06-04, 04:37 PM	#2
Albuquerque Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North America	While your findings on the Prescott and this motherboard are good to put in here, your question about ZipZoomFly would best be answered (and posted) in the Vendor Discussion section of the forums. From the main forum menu, scroll to the very bottom to find the Vendor Discussion area. Your question will be answered much faster there __________________ Sis 461 VLB-3.................................\|.Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 AMD 486DX4 133 at 200Mhz 50FSB x 4 3.5v.......\|.E8400 E0 3.0Ghz at 4.5Ghz 500FSB x 9 1.48v S3 864P 4mb VRAM VLB at 48/54 on 50mhz bus....\|.2 x Sapphire 4850 512mb at 700/1100 PCIE 2.0 x16 4 x 32mb HMC PC33 SIMM's50Mhz 2-1-1-3 at 3.3v.\|.4 x 1Gb Crucial Ballistix D9GMH 1000Mhz 5-5-5-12 at 2.1v 2 x Western Digital 4200RPM Caviar 4Gb ATA66..\|.Samsung 7200RPM Spinpoint F1 750Gb SATA-II Mitsumi 4x CDRW PIO-1.........................\|.Samsung 20x DVD+/-RW SATA Magic Color!
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10-06-04, 05:44 PM	#3
fabulouscoops Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA	According to the Asus website, that mobo only supports P4 processors 3.0 GHz and up. Here's the link to Asus. http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...0533A&langs=09 __________________ i5 2500K@4.53; Asus P8P67 deluxe; 8 GB G.Skill DDR3 1600; OCZ 60 GB SSD; 2x500 GB Caviar; HD6950 E8500 @3.6 GHz; Asus P5Q Pro Turbo; 4 GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 1066; 2 x 74 GB Raptor E6750 @3.4 GHz; Abit IP35, 4 GB OCZ DDR2 800; 60 Agility SSD; 2x120 GB Caviar; 250 GB Caviar; HD4870 Opteron 175 Skt 939 @2.9 GHz; DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D; Zalman 9500; HD3850; 2x1024 G.Skill DDR500; 200 GB WD E4400 @3 GHz, Abit AB9 pro, Gigabyte 7300 GT silent; 2GB Supertalent PC5400; 3x36 Raptors RAID 0:5 P4 3.0c Skt 478 @ 3.4 GHz; Abit IC7g; 1 GB Mushkin PC3200 FX5200, 20 GB WD; 200 GB Maxtor; PVR-150, Wifi, SB Live!
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man_utd Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Amsterdam, NL	........ wow, that means it can go over 3ghz...
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10-06-04, 06:46 PM	Thread Starter #6
Baalzevuv Registered Join Date: Sep 2004	Yeah, but ... I have the same barebones kit for my wife and run a 2.26GHZ Northwood in it. When they say it "supports Intel Pentium 4 processors" they should be less ambiguous and say it "supports Intel Pentium 4 processors, except for the Prescotts, you schmuck."
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10-06-04, 06:55 PM	#7
man_utd Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Amsterdam, NL	Fabulous, you are just completely misreading that. What it says is that is can go over 3ghz, but also under 3ghz, look on any motherboard ever produced, it has the exact same thing, they say yes we can go over xxxxmhz, but that doesnt mean well, we only let people use this and nothing under. Same thing for heatsinks.
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10-06-04, 11:05 PM	#8
fabulouscoops Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA	OK man_, I learned something. I was not familiar with that form factor and figured most mobos are downward compatable but the way it is written is funny. "CPU Support - Intel socket478 Pentium 4 processors 3.0GHz+" They should have defined support by cache and fsb if all speeds were allowed anyway. BTW the P4 Terminator 533 (non A) does say willamette and northwood only. Since "A" stands for the 533 fsb, 1 MB cache prescotts in the Intel code, it is reasonable to assume that the "A" in the Terminator 533A designation might also mean that that barebones takes prescotts. Also, since the CPU support information says socket478 Pentium 4 processors, I can see why you might have a beef. __________________ i5 2500K@4.53; Asus P8P67 deluxe; 8 GB G.Skill DDR3 1600; OCZ 60 GB SSD; 2x500 GB Caviar; HD6950 E8500 @3.6 GHz; Asus P5Q Pro Turbo; 4 GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 1066; 2 x 74 GB Raptor E6750 @3.4 GHz; Abit IP35, 4 GB OCZ DDR2 800; 60 Agility SSD; 2x120 GB Caviar; 250 GB Caviar; HD4870 Opteron 175 Skt 939 @2.9 GHz; DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D; Zalman 9500; HD3850; 2x1024 G.Skill DDR500; 200 GB WD E4400 @3 GHz, Abit AB9 pro, Gigabyte 7300 GT silent; 2GB Supertalent PC5400; 3x36 Raptors RAID 0:5 P4 3.0c Skt 478 @ 3.4 GHz; Abit IC7g; 1 GB Mushkin PC3200 FX5200, 20 GB WD; 200 GB Maxtor; PVR-150, Wifi, SB Live!
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