Next Gen video card problems

Flashfx2 · 11-02-04, 11:58 PM

Since we have had our first generation of video cards have been using the .11 micron process, relatively soon we'll likely see the first .09 micron chips coming along. As we've all seen what trouble Intel, AMD, and IBM have been having with the .09 chips how does much smaller companies like nVIdia and ATi expect to handle this problem? We already have the 6800GT using two power lines and putting off an large amount of heat, what will .09 microns bring? 3 power cables and return of the 5800 blower? A three slot cooling solution? Video cards are one area that hasn't really slowed down over the last year or so. Eventually they are going to hit a wall much like CPU's did right? Perhaps even the return of the multi GPU graphics card?

Sorry if this has already been discussed here, but not being able to do searches for terms like .09, 90, or next put a hamper on my searching.

JigPu · 11-03-04, 12:39 AM

It's a question I have wondered as well. Given the experiences Intel and AMD have had, .09 just looks to be bad for everybody. My guess is that it will likely lead to more expensive GPUs, slower price drops, more heat (I consider it amazing they can cool them now with their comparativly tiny coolers!), etc.

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Grov · 11-03-04, 05:30 AM

No cards use 0.11, at least not high end. Thats next.

Flashfx2 · 11-03-04, 01:49 PM

The x300 and the 6600 cards are manufactured using .11.

David · 11-03-04, 01:57 PM

I too am kinda amazed the amount of heat these things can deal with! I think once we reach our limit with these types of chips then we will have to move to multi-GPU systems. Or dual core GPUs?

Also if you want to search for a two letter item add some *s to make it up to the required length:

Ie to search for 90 if the search terms must be >= 4 characters, just try *90*.

Grov · 11-03-04, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashfx2

The x300 and the 6600 cards are manufactured using .11.

There anything but high end.

They usually do it. They make slower cards on the lower process first, they did it with 0.13 on the 9600, ATI did.

Flashfx2 · 11-03-04, 09:30 PM

Ageed, but I fail to see why it matters if they are high-end or anything. Within a year, or two years max they are going to .09 and I'd am interested to see how they are going to deal with it.

11-02-04, 11:58 PM	Thread Starter #1
Flashfx2 Member Join Date: Apr 2001	Next Gen video card problems Since we have had our first generation of video cards have been using the .11 micron process, relatively soon we'll likely see the first .09 micron chips coming along. As we've all seen what trouble Intel, AMD, and IBM have been having with the .09 chips how does much smaller companies like nVIdia and ATi expect to handle this problem? We already have the 6800GT using two power lines and putting off an large amount of heat, what will .09 microns bring? 3 power cables and return of the 5800 blower? A three slot cooling solution? Video cards are one area that hasn't really slowed down over the last year or so. Eventually they are going to hit a wall much like CPU's did right? Perhaps even the return of the multi GPU graphics card? Sorry if this has already been discussed here, but not being able to do searches for terms like .09, 90, or next put a hamper on my searching.
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JigPu Inactive Pokémon Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vancouver, WA	It's a question I have wondered as well. Given the experiences Intel and AMD have had, .09 just looks to be bad for everybody. My guess is that it will likely lead to more expensive GPUs, slower price drops, more heat (I consider it amazing they can cool them now with their comparativly tiny coolers!), etc. JigPu __________________ .... ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 .... Intel Core i5 2500 ........................ 4 thread ...... 3300 MHz ......... -0.125 V 2x ASUS GTX 560 Ti ............................... 1 GiB ....... 830 MHz ...... 2004 MHz .... G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage ............. 8 GiB ..... 1600 MHz ............ 1.25 V .... OCZ Vertex 3 ................................. 120 GB ............. nilfs2 ..... Arch Linux .... Kingwin LZP-550 .............................. 550 W ........ 94% Eff. ....... 80+ Plat .... Nocuta NH-D14 ................................ 20 dB ..... 0.35 C°/W ................ 7 V "In order to combat power supply concerns, Nvidia has declared that G80 will be the first graphics card in the world to run entirely off of the souls of dead babies. This will make running the G80 much cheaper for the average end user." "GeForce 8 Series." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 7 Aug 2006, 20:59 UTC. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 8 Aug 2006.
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Grov Disabled Join Date: May 2004 Location: Uk	No cards use 0.11, at least not high end. Thats next.
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11-03-04, 01:49 PM	Thread Starter #4
Flashfx2 Member Join Date: Apr 2001	The x300 and the 6600 cards are manufactured using .11.
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David Forums Super Moderator Overclockers.com Lead Editor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hiding from Americans and making pretty colours in a drybox in St Andrews	I too am kinda amazed the amount of heat these things can deal with! I think once we reach our limit with these types of chips then we will have to move to multi-GPU systems. Or dual core GPUs? Also if you want to search for a two letter item add some s to make it up to the required length: Ie to search for 90 if the search terms must be >= 4 characters, just try 90. __________________ David J. Nelson MChem(Edin) PhD(Strath) AMRSC [Academia Profile] OC Forums Super Moderator // Overclockers.com Editor The Workhorse:* [Lenovo W510] Intel Core i7-720QM / 8 GB DDR3 / nVidia Quadro FX880M / Crucial M4 256 GB SSD / Windows 7 The HTPC/Server: AMD Phenom X4 9650 / 6 GB DDR2 / nVidia 8300 / 5 TB of HDDs / Antec Solo II Case / Windows 7 The Gaming Rig: AMD Llano A6-3650 / 4 GB DDR3 / nVidia GTX260 / 2x 500 GB HDD in RAID0 / Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Case / Windows 7 The Benchmarking Setup: Various LGA775 chips / Asus Rampage Formula / 2 GB OCZ 1066 MHz DDR2 / nVidia Quadro NVS 285 / 320 GB HDD / Windows 7 My research fellowship is eating all my time, so I may be slow to reply to emails and private messages.
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11-03-04, 09:30 PM	Thread Starter #7
Flashfx2 Member Join Date: Apr 2001	Ageed, but I fail to see why it matters if they are high-end or anything. Within a year, or two years max they are going to .09 and I'd am interested to see how they are going to deal with it.
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