Winchester 3200+ vs 3500+ Which Overclocks Best?

prominance · 02-08-05, 11:41 PM

Ok I have the Gskill LE ram 512X2 and a Asus A8N Sli Board and I was wondering which of those two Winchester chips would be better to get for overclocking? Could I reach 2.6 on the 3500+ on air? Would that be realistic. Or I have a better chance with the 3200+. I want to atleast hit 2.6GHZ (AMD 4000+ speeds)

glock19owner · 02-08-05, 11:42 PM

both should be able to hit 2.6+ if they have a good memory controller...this is going to be the key thing...

My 3200 runs at 2.78Ghz max with 1.65v...

ShaftedTwice · 02-09-05, 12:02 AM

Yep, the 3200+ should hit around 2.5-2.7GHz on a good aircooling system. Same goes for the 3500+, yet it'll be easier to push the 3500+ of course.

Miguita · 02-09-05, 12:12 AM

The biggest difference is probably the highest available multi. I'd buy the 3200 (10x), which is the best buy IMO. Obviously using a high multi won't take as much luck / effort with the mobo in order to achieve any given CPU OC.

SilverFire4 · 02-09-05, 12:22 AM

i just sent my 3500+ newcastle back and exchanged it for a 3200+ since i couldnt get my 3500 over 2.45 no matter what i tried. so i hope when the 3200+ gets here i can hit higher then 2.45 and i saved near a 100$

Rumrunner · 02-09-05, 01:49 AM

You will not even want to run the 11x multiplier on the 3500 since your rams sweet spot should be about 275 - 290. So, you will only need a 9x or 10x multiplier, which is offered by the 3200.

I strongly disbelieve that the 3500 has any better overclocking ability.
PROOF: AMD had to decide it was going to have an 11x multiplier before they tested it right...?

bwanaaa · 02-09-05, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rob 119

You will not even want to run the 11x multiplier on the 3500 since your rams sweet spot should be about 275 - 290. So, you will only need a 9x or 10x multiplier, which is offered by the 3200.

I strongly disbelieve that the 3500 has any better overclocking ability.
PROOF: AMD had to decide it was going to have an 11x multiplier before they tested it right...?

I thought the the idea behind going with the 3500 was a better memory controller. Since the chip is clocked faster and the memory controller is on the chip, a 3200 memory controller might not like going to high fsb with certain ram, etc.

Rumrunner · 02-09-05, 01:03 PM

It's got the same memory controller. It is the same chip as the 3200, but with 11x. The only thing that would make it faster is luck of the draw, or the 3500 came from a better plant or something.

Overclocker550 · 02-09-05, 05:35 PM

save your $ and go with a 3000+ and ditch it when venice comes out. The average winchester does about 2.5GHz 100% stable(more for suicide benches and screenshots) Venice most likley will be better in everyway, especially ondie controller

Pickle · 02-09-05, 06:05 PM

How high could a ocz pe pc3200 rev2 get on a 3500+ aircooled? 275? and what multi would be best for that setup?

stryg · 02-10-05, 06:24 AM

Is 9 the highest multi on a 3000+?

Im switching from P4 to A64 so pardon my ignorance...

Rustafur · 02-10-05, 06:53 AM

Yes 9x is the highest multiplier on the 3000+ It's also 10x on 3200+ and 11x on the 3500+ Just incase you were wondering about those too.

And my I add... HALLELUJIA! Another who as fallen from the fold has seen the light! And has converted from the evil evil blue and orange, to the green! Amen brotha's!

WildMonkey · 02-10-05, 07:17 AM

How about the 3400+?

CordialSpam · 02-10-05, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WildMonkey

How about the 3400+?

AFAIK..there is no socket 939 3400+, I may be wrong tho.

The 754 3400+ has 12x multiplier clocked at 2.4ghz

WildMonkey · 02-10-05, 07:59 AM

D'oh my bad, hmmmm didin't know you had a 3000,3200,3500 but no 3400...odd

zangler · 02-10-05, 01:22 PM

makes sense when you consider the mem times the multi

stryg · 02-11-05, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rustafur

Yes 9x is the highest multiplier on the 3000+ It's also 10x on 3200+ and 11x on the 3500+ Just incase you were wondering about those too.

And my I add... HALLELUJIA! Another who as fallen from the fold has seen the light! And has converted from the evil evil blue and orange, to the green! Amen brotha's!

Im simply in need of a new system and would like to try something different

And by God, Im looking forward to take a dive into AMD-land...

KKAT · 02-11-05, 08:23 AM

nope there is a 3400 939 the HT is slower, and it's a newcastle (130nm)
the multi is 11 (2.2Ghz)
There are a bunch of them on eBay right now... but yeah I would rather go for a 3000 or 3200, b/c 3500 is out of my budget

chec c627's cpu charts the 3400 is there

02-08-05, 11:41 PM	Thread Starter #1
prominance Registered Join Date: Nov 2004	Winchester 3200+ vs 3500+ Which Overclocks Best? Ok I have the Gskill LE ram 512X2 and a Asus A8N Sli Board and I was wondering which of those two Winchester chips would be better to get for overclocking? Could I reach 2.6 on the 3500+ on air? Would that be realistic. Or I have a better chance with the 3200+. I want to atleast hit 2.6GHZ (AMD 4000+ speeds)
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02-08-05, 11:42 PM	#2
glock19owner Member Join Date: Nov 2002	both should be able to hit 2.6+ if they have a good memory controller...this is going to be the key thing... My 3200 runs at 2.78Ghz max with 1.65v...
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02-09-05, 12:02 AM	#3
ShaftedTwice Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego, CA	Yep, the 3200+ should hit around 2.5-2.7GHz on a good aircooling system. Same goes for the 3500+, yet it'll be easier to push the 3500+ of course.
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02-09-05, 12:12 AM	#4
Miguita Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norway	The biggest difference is probably the highest available multi. I'd buy the 3200 (10x), which is the best buy IMO. Obviously using a high multi won't take as much luck / effort with the mobo in order to achieve any given CPU OC.
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02-09-05, 12:22 AM	#5
SilverFire4 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005	i just sent my 3500+ newcastle back and exchanged it for a 3200+ since i couldnt get my 3500 over 2.45 no matter what i tried. so i hope when the 3200+ gets here i can hit higher then 2.45 and i saved near a 100$
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Rumrunner Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dover DE.	You will not even want to run the 11x multiplier on the 3500 since your rams sweet spot should be about 275 - 290. So, you will only need a 9x or 10x multiplier, which is offered by the 3200. I strongly disbelieve that the 3500 has any better overclocking ability. PROOF: AMD had to decide it was going to have an 11x multiplier before they tested it right...? __________________ INTEL 3570K @ 4.2 oc H80 cooler MSI 77ZMA G45 2x EVGA superclocked 680's 3X Acer 23" LED 5760x1080 Soundblaster X-FI Titanium Pro 8gb Corsair Vengance Seasonic X-1250W 240 GB Corsair Force GT synchronous SSD 640 WD Caviar black
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Rumrunner Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dover DE.	It's got the same memory controller. It is the same chip as the 3200, but with 11x. The only thing that would make it faster is luck of the draw, or the 3500 came from a better plant or something. __________________ INTEL 3570K @ 4.2 oc H80 cooler MSI 77ZMA G45 2x EVGA superclocked 680's 3X Acer 23" LED 5760x1080 Soundblaster X-FI Titanium Pro 8gb Corsair Vengance Seasonic X-1250W 240 GB Corsair Force GT synchronous SSD 640 WD Caviar black
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02-09-05, 05:35 PM	#9
Overclocker550 Member Join Date: Feb 2002	save your $ and go with a 3000+ and ditch it when venice comes out. The average winchester does about 2.5GHz 100% stable(more for suicide benches and screenshots) Venice most likley will be better in everyway, especially ondie controller
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02-09-05, 06:05 PM	#10
Pickle Member Join Date: Feb 2005	How high could a ocz pe pc3200 rev2 get on a 3500+ aircooled? 275? and what multi would be best for that setup?
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stryg Registered Join Date: Oct 2004	Is 9 the highest multi on a 3000+? Im switching from P4 to A64 so pardon my ignorance...
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02-11-05, 08:23 AM	#18
KKAT Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Spokane	nope there is a 3400 939 the HT is slower, and it's a newcastle (130nm) the multi is 11 (2.2Ghz) There are a bunch of them on eBay right now... but yeah I would rather go for a 3000 or 3200, b/c 3500 is out of my budget chec c627's cpu charts the 3400 is there __________________ 939 90nm 3200+ @ 2.5GHz 1.575 (real vcore) XP-90 w/ 92mm Enermax MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum w/ OCZ DDR Booster:) 6800GT 400core/1150mem 1gb dual channel PC3700 Samsung TCCD(Gigaram wk519) 10-3-3-2.5@ DDR500 2x80gb WD SE 1x120gb Samsung Spinponit 1x250gb Seagate NCQ SATA 7200.8 OCZ Powerstream 520
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