Linux version of choice for server

moz_21 · 03-07-05, 09:48 AM

I am wondering what everyone recommends for a Linux server. I had Yoper as my server, but it doesn't like to log me in from an init3 runlevel. That and other problems prompted me to find a good server version. What's everyone use??

Gnufsh · 03-07-05, 10:03 AM

Debian is good for servers. You may also want to take a look at FreeBSD.

juliendogg · 03-07-05, 10:13 AM

CentOS. redhat enterprise 9 sans lisencing. www.centos.org awesome OS for servers.

J.

moz_21 · 03-07-05, 02:57 PM

Thanks. Has anyone messed with ServerOptimizedLinux (SOL)?

:edit: Debian is 7 ISO's?? How about single-cd versions?

electrorcamd · 03-07-05, 04:14 PM

I was going to try SoL but I never got around to downloading it. Right now I have the base install of Debian 3.0 r4, but it is not setup yet and I will probably change it before I set it up. I only used the first cd then I downloaded everything else I wanted. I would most likely use Arch Linux, but my server is only a K6 266 @ 250, so it doesn't work with Arch (it is built for i686). Right now I am looking at using a source based distro, but it would take a while to compile everything on it. I am also thinking of making my own, but I am not sure how I want to do that yet.

BeerCan · 03-07-05, 06:47 PM

centos, trustix or freebsd are IMO the best server oses. (besides AIX wich is not free

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rogerdugans · 03-07-05, 07:06 PM

I didn't look at details, but I remember reading something about building a Gentoo system on an architecture other than the planned installation system somewhere.......

Not sure of details, but if it would work, that might get you a fast, source-built server os in a short time....
If you don't mind digging deep into the os.

moz_21 · 03-07-05, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerdugans

I didn't look at details, but I remember reading something about building a Gentoo system on an architecture other than the planned installation system somewhere.......

Not sure of details, but if it would work, that might get you a fast, source-built server os in a short time....
If you don't mind digging deep into the os.

Well once I found out that SOL wouldn't install on a K6-2, I -tried- Gentoo. It worked but I just could not figure it out. I am looking for something relatively easy and simple.

BeerCan · 03-07-05, 09:35 PM

What exactly are you planning on running if I may ask? Also do you plan to install a gui? (X)
I run about 5 headless centos servers and I find them uber easy to work with. It all really depend on what you intend to "do" with your server. That will help determain distro choice. Gentoo is sweet but for that low hardware I would just go with another distro.

SatanSkin · 03-07-05, 09:55 PM

I would vote Gentoo. You may have to be patient getting it set up, but once you do, you will NOT regret it! It will most likely run the best on that low of hardware too.

moz_21 · 03-07-05, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerCan

What exactly are you planning on running if I may ask? Also do you plan to install a gui? (X)
I run about 5 headless centos servers and I find them uber easy to work with. It all really depend on what you intend to "do" with your server. That will help determain distro choice. Gentoo is sweet but for that low hardware I would just go with another distro.

I plan on running Samba, an http server, ftp server, FAH, and I think that will be it. I would like to run it without a GUI to learn more about how Linux works than have some GUI tool do it for me. I liked the Gentoo for that idea. Since I never got Gentoo to install (stayed up till 5am for like 4 nights in a row), I figured I'd better find something that will install the base itself. It did teach me quite a bit as far as starting/stopping services, and the basis of layout, etc.

A basic Linux would work for my purposes. Yoper worked but like I said, it didn't like to log me in when I booted to runlevel3.

This linux install will be running on PIII hardware (a 450 and soon an 866) so I won't be limited to i386 versions.

BeerCan · 03-08-05, 07:14 AM

Then personally I would do CentOS. When installing I would pick custom install then on the install page I would choose minimal. Then after the installl you might want to make sure you at least install gcc, gcc-c++, automake and autoconf i.e. yum install gcc gcc-c++ automake autoconf
At that point you will have a nice base system that you can configure at will. You can use yum to install most packages. make sure you run rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 or it will bitch at you until you do. I also suggest webmin its a handy little tool for some admin functions.

moz_21 · 03-09-05, 02:10 PM

Well I decided to try it with Yoper again. I like how it installs so fast and the fact that there is a GUI there if need be. I set it to boot to init3 and set up a basic smb.conf with SWAT. Then I edited the smb.conf by hand to add additional shares. SSH is running on there so I can do it all from my rig. I am waiting on a PIII 866 w/ mobo and an ATA100 controller to get it going. I plan to put these drives in it: a 200GB Seagate, 120GB Maxtor, 8GB WD (boot drive), and possibly another 120GB Seagate (not likely though).

Stoanhart · 03-09-05, 05:53 PM

I have FC3, but only becasue the server needs to do next to nothing, and I had the discs around. Server doesn't even have a video card. I just ssh into it, X isn't installed. Works good. Mainly, it's just a fil server and router. May be print server soon. Also, I use it for torrents at night, so I can shut my main computer down.

Flamed_Chip · 03-10-05, 07:54 AM

When installing Gentoo on older hardware you can always used Distributed C and a couple of faster rigs to help it along a bit faster. Its pretty easy to do and the other rigs don't even need Linux installed because you can boot from a Live CD such as Knoppix.

moz_21 · 03-11-05, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamed_Chip

When installing Gentoo on older hardware you can always used Distributed C and a couple of faster rigs to help it along a bit faster. Its pretty easy to do and the other rigs don't even need Linux installed because you can boot from a Live CD such as Knoppix.

Speed was never a problem, I just ran into problems that I could not figure out.

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Originally Posted by BeerCan

Then personally I would do CentOS. When installing I would pick custom install then on the install page I would choose minimal. Then after the installl you might want to make sure you at least install gcc, gcc-c++, automake and autoconf i.e. yum install gcc gcc-c++ automake autoconf
At that point you will have a nice base system that you can configure at will. You can use yum to install most packages. make sure you run rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 or it will bitch at you until you do. I also suggest webmin its a handy little tool for some admin functions.

I downloaded the bootable cdrom ISO but it won't boot. Never had problems booting from cd's before, whats wrong?

Vertical_Zer0 · 03-15-05, 07:55 PM

Debian and Gentoo if you're hardcore, Yoper or Fedora if you're new to linux/servers or just lazy

SickBoy · 03-15-05, 08:40 PM

One interesting thing I saw the other day was Lineox. It's pretty much Redhat Enterprise Server 4 compiled from source, sans the Redhat-copyrighted material. It's intended to follow 1 to 1 with Redhat updates - they will be compiled and distributed as binaries for Lineox as soon as the update source code is available from Redhat.

Essentially... Redhat Enterprise Server without the licensing fees.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lineox

BeerCan · 03-15-05, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SickBoy

One interesting thing I saw the other day was Lineox. It's pretty much Redhat Enterprise Server 4 compiled from source, sans the Redhat-copyrighted material. It's intended to follow 1 to 1 with Redhat updates - they will be compiled and distributed as binaries for Lineox as soon as the update source code is available from Redhat.

Essentially... Redhat Enterprise Server without the licensing fees.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lineox

thats the same thing CentOS and whitebox linux are

Gnufsh · 03-15-05, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moz_21

Speed was never a problem, I just ran into problems that I could not figure out.

I downloaded the bootable cdrom ISO but it won't boot. Never had problems booting from cd's before, whats wrong?

Are you sure you burned it right (I think you probably did, but 80-90% of the my cd won't boot problems are burning the iso iamge as a file on to the cd)?

03-07-05, 09:48 AM	Thread Starter #1
moz_21 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: MN	Linux version of choice for server I am wondering what everyone recommends for a Linux server. I had Yoper as my server, but it doesn't like to log me in from an init3 runlevel. That and other problems prompted me to find a good server version. What's everyone use?? __________________ [Win7 x64 Desktop] Asus P8P67 w/ i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz 1.37v, CM 212 EVO, 16GB Mushkin DDR3 (991996) @ 2133MHz 9-11-10-28-39 2T, 2x EVGA GTX 560Ti 1GB SSC, OCZ Vertex3 240GB, Antec P183 gunmetal grey, SeaSonic 850W PSU [Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server] Asus M4A79T w/ Phenom II X6 1090T @ stock, 8GB Kingston DDR3 ECC (KVR1333D3E9SK2/8G), Xigmatek S1284, 8x 1.5TB Samsung MDADM RAID5 array, Fortron 530W PSU [Win7 x64 Media PC] Asus M4A88T, Phenom 2 965 X4 @ stock, 8GB RAM, ATI HD-5450, OCZ Onyx 32GB, Seagate 7200.11 1TB [Win7 x64 Laptop] Acer Aspire 5530, AMD Turion X2 RM70 2GHz, 3GB ram, ATI Radeon HD3200, OCZ Vertex 2 50GB [Smoothwall 3.0] ~~Compaq Deskpro, PIII 833 on an i810 chipset, 512MB CL2 ram, 74Gb Raptor HDD, 2x Realtek NIC~~ Now a KVM on Ubuntu server [My].Heatware
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03-07-05, 10:13 AM	#3
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03-07-05, 02:57 PM	Thread Starter #4
moz_21 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: MN	Thanks. Has anyone messed with ServerOptimizedLinux (SOL)? :edit: Debian is 7 ISO's?? How about single-cd versions? __________________ [Win7 x64 Desktop] Asus P8P67 w/ i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz 1.37v, CM 212 EVO, 16GB Mushkin DDR3 (991996) @ 2133MHz 9-11-10-28-39 2T, 2x EVGA GTX 560Ti 1GB SSC, OCZ Vertex3 240GB, Antec P183 gunmetal grey, SeaSonic 850W PSU [Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server] Asus M4A79T w/ Phenom II X6 1090T @ stock, 8GB Kingston DDR3 ECC (KVR1333D3E9SK2/8G), Xigmatek S1284, 8x 1.5TB Samsung MDADM RAID5 array, Fortron 530W PSU [Win7 x64 Media PC] Asus M4A88T, Phenom 2 965 X4 @ stock, 8GB RAM, ATI HD-5450, OCZ Onyx 32GB, Seagate 7200.11 1TB [Win7 x64 Laptop] Acer Aspire 5530, AMD Turion X2 RM70 2GHz, 3GB ram, ATI Radeon HD3200, OCZ Vertex 2 50GB [Smoothwall 3.0] ~~Compaq Deskpro, PIII 833 on an i810 chipset, 512MB CL2 ram, 74Gb Raptor HDD, 2x Realtek NIC~~ Now a KVM on Ubuntu server [My].Heatware Last edited by moz_21; 03-07-05 at 03:54 PM.
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electrorcamd Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Belton, MO	I was going to try SoL but I never got around to downloading it. Right now I have the base install of Debian 3.0 r4, but it is not setup yet and I will probably change it before I set it up. I only used the first cd then I downloaded everything else I wanted. I would most likely use Arch Linux, but my server is only a K6 266 @ 250, so it doesn't work with Arch (it is built for i686). Right now I am looking at using a source based distro, but it would take a while to compile everything on it. I am also thinking of making my own, but I am not sure how I want to do that yet. __________________ Main: Athlon 2 X3 435, 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3, Asus M4A785TD-V evo mobo, HD4200 graphics, stock cooling, Seasonic S12II Bronze 520w psu Laptop: HP Pavilion dv5000, Turion64 ML-37, 1GB RAM, Xpress 200M graphics, 80GB hdd, XP MCE 2005 Folding for T32
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03-07-05, 06:47 PM	#6
BeerCan Member Join Date: Dec 2004	centos, trustix or freebsd are IMO the best server oses. (besides AIX wich is not free )
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03-07-05, 07:06 PM	#7
rogerdugans Linux challenged Senior, not that it stops me... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Corner of No and Where	I didn't look at details, but I remember reading something about building a Gentoo system on an architecture other than the planned installation system somewhere....... Not sure of details, but if it would work, that might get you a fast, source-built server os in a short time.... If you don't mind digging deep into the os. __________________ Still overclocked and running linux on watercooled computers after all these years.
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03-07-05, 09:35 PM	#9
BeerCan Member Join Date: Dec 2004	What exactly are you planning on running if I may ask? Also do you plan to install a gui? (X) I run about 5 headless centos servers and I find them uber easy to work with. It all really depend on what you intend to "do" with your server. That will help determain distro choice. Gentoo is sweet but for that low hardware I would just go with another distro.
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03-07-05, 09:55 PM	#10
SatanSkin Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas/Camp Lejeune, NC	I would vote Gentoo. You may have to be patient getting it set up, but once you do, you will NOT regret it! It will most likely run the best on that low of hardware too.
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03-08-05, 07:14 AM	#12
BeerCan Member Join Date: Dec 2004	Then personally I would do CentOS. When installing I would pick custom install then on the install page I would choose minimal. Then after the installl you might want to make sure you at least install gcc, gcc-c++, automake and autoconf i.e. yum install gcc gcc-c++ automake autoconf At that point you will have a nice base system that you can configure at will. You can use yum to install most packages. make sure you run rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 or it will bitch at you until you do. I also suggest webmin its a handy little tool for some admin functions.
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03-09-05, 02:10 PM	Thread Starter #13
moz_21 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: MN	Well I decided to try it with Yoper again. I like how it installs so fast and the fact that there is a GUI there if need be. I set it to boot to init3 and set up a basic smb.conf with SWAT. Then I edited the smb.conf by hand to add additional shares. SSH is running on there so I can do it all from my rig. I am waiting on a PIII 866 w/ mobo and an ATA100 controller to get it going. I plan to put these drives in it: a 200GB Seagate, 120GB Maxtor, 8GB WD (boot drive), and possibly another 120GB Seagate (not likely though). __________________ [Win7 x64 Desktop] Asus P8P67 w/ i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz 1.37v, CM 212 EVO, 16GB Mushkin DDR3 (991996) @ 2133MHz 9-11-10-28-39 2T, 2x EVGA GTX 560Ti 1GB SSC, OCZ Vertex3 240GB, Antec P183 gunmetal grey, SeaSonic 850W PSU [Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server] Asus M4A79T w/ Phenom II X6 1090T @ stock, 8GB Kingston DDR3 ECC (KVR1333D3E9SK2/8G), Xigmatek S1284, 8x 1.5TB Samsung MDADM RAID5 array, Fortron 530W PSU [Win7 x64 Media PC] Asus M4A88T, Phenom 2 965 X4 @ stock, 8GB RAM, ATI HD-5450, OCZ Onyx 32GB, Seagate 7200.11 1TB [Win7 x64 Laptop] Acer Aspire 5530, AMD Turion X2 RM70 2GHz, 3GB ram, ATI Radeon HD3200, OCZ Vertex 2 50GB [Smoothwall 3.0] ~~Compaq Deskpro, PIII 833 on an i810 chipset, 512MB CL2 ram, 74Gb Raptor HDD, 2x Realtek NIC~~ Now a KVM on Ubuntu server [My].Heatware
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Stoanhart Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VIctoria, BC, Canada	I have FC3, but only becasue the server needs to do next to nothing, and I had the discs around. Server doesn't even have a video card. I just ssh into it, X isn't installed. Works good. Mainly, it's just a fil server and router. May be print server soon. Also, I use it for torrents at night, so I can shut my main computer down.
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03-10-05, 07:54 AM	#15
Flamed_Chip Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Yorkshire, UK	When installing Gentoo on older hardware you can always used Distributed C and a couple of faster rigs to help it along a bit faster. Its pretty easy to do and the other rigs don't even need Linux installed because you can boot from a Live CD such as Knoppix. __________________ Herb: 2 x Intel PIII-S 1.4 GHz - GIGABYTE GA-6VTXDR - 1024MB PC133 - 2 x Tt Volcano 7+ - PCI nVIDIA GeForce fx5500 128MB - 60GB Samsung 7200RPM - 200GB Seagate Barracuda - 500W PSU - Debian GNU/Linux Wyatt: XP 1800+ @ 1725 (150x11.5) 1.85 vcore - Asus A7V266-E - 512MB DDR PC2100 - SK6 modded for Delta 80mm "SHE" - nVIDIA GF2 MX 400 64MB DDR - 40GB WD 7200RPM - 20GB WD 7200RPM - Generic 300W PSU - Load Temp: 45C (Ambiant 22C) - Debian GNU/Linux Moon: Intel PIII 1GHz - Generic Intel motherboard - 512MB PC133 - 7GB HDD - Generic PSU - FreeBSD Kaya (laptop): Sony Vaio PCG-GRT815M - P4 2.8Ghz - 512MB DDR - 80GB 5400RPM - nVIDIA GF FX5600 64MB - Ubuntu GNU/Linux / Windows XP
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03-15-05, 07:55 PM	#17
Vertical_Zer0 Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA	Debian and Gentoo if you're hardcore, Yoper or Fedora if you're new to linux/servers or just lazy __________________ My systems: Intel Core 2 Duo e6420 topped by Thermalright Ultra-120, 2GB Transcend DDR800, 320GB Seagate Barracuda SATA II 16MB cache HD, 250GB WD IDE HD, 200GB Maxtor IDE HD, Lian-Li PC-7B case, EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800GTS 320MB AMD Athlon XP 2500+ @2200mHz, 1024 MB PC3200 RAM, 80GB Maxtor HD, 20GB Western Digital HD, AGP nVidia 6600GT, MSI K7N2 Delta, Custom Modded Case FOLD for Team 32!
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03-15-05, 08:40 PM	#18
SickBoy Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN	One interesting thing I saw the other day was Lineox. It's pretty much Redhat Enterprise Server 4 compiled from source, sans the Redhat-copyrighted material. It's intended to follow 1 to 1 with Redhat updates - they will be compiled and distributed as binaries for Lineox as soon as the update source code is available from Redhat. Essentially... Redhat Enterprise Server without the licensing fees. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lineox __________________ Used to be awesome Heatware
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