a64 @ 2.8...Venice faster?

WA2 · 04-27-05, 12:57 PM

Is it worth it to upgrade now if I am at 2.8 on my A64?

I know they oc well, but I am talking Mhz for Mhz..

El<(')>Maxi · 04-27-05, 01:15 PM

Mr. Roadster did a very nice comparison between San Diego & Clawhammer. The .90nm chip was faster but not by a huge margin @ same Mhz. So if this is any indication, I would say mhz for mhz on Venice/Winchester it would be similar.

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish...3D291&lp=fr_en

stang8118 · 04-27-05, 01:18 PM

I don't think the extra cost would justify the minimal performance gain...

deception`` · 04-27-05, 01:20 PM

If I were you, I'd sell the 3500+ and pick up a low-end Venice instead. Provided it avoids the cold bug, you should have no problem hitting your speed given your cooling with some change to spare. Of course, that may be too much for some, so the choice is yours to make.

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crimedog · 04-27-05, 01:22 PM

you'd probably only gain 200mhz or so, so i wouldn't think it's worth it

Gautam · 04-27-05, 01:44 PM

I agree with Deception...2.8GHz on a modded Mach II is also on the low side...I can bench at that on air, and my processor isn't even that great. If Venice is even half decent, it should do 3.0-3.1 at least on cooling like that, and 3.2 might even be possible with the right chip.

Gautam · 04-27-05, 01:44 PM

I agree with Deception...2.8GHz on a modded Mach II is also on the low side...I can bench at that on air, and my processor isn't even that great. If Venice is even half decent, it should do 3.0-3.1 at least on cooling like that, and 3.2 might even be possible with the right chip. And even if you only match the same speeds, cash is always a good thing.

Sucka · 04-27-05, 02:38 PM

I'll tell you how the 3500+ does under phase tomorrow

On topic though, i would sell the current chip, and pick up a new one in hopes to hit higher clocks. You're obviously an enthusiest (judgeing by the cooling) so i'm supprised you would even ask. And even if you did get *only* a 200MHz boost, in overclocking that's a big difference, at least to me. Gonna go with Deception`` and Gautam on this one.

WA2 · 04-27-05, 03:34 PM

Well, the paln was to pick one up..I was just curious what others thought.

Also, the 3500 is up for sale. I also just picked up an A64 3200 to see what it could do, been curios. But I will still have the funds from the 3500 (if it sells) to get a Venice.

Sucka · 04-27-05, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WA2

Well, the paln was to pick one up..I was just curious what others thought.

Also, the 3500 is up for sale. I also just picked up an A64 3200 to see what it could do, been curios. But I will still have the funds from the 3500 (if it sells) to get a Venice.

From the enthusiests everyone is gonna tell you to get Venice, the budget guys will say it isn't worth the money for an extra few hundred MHz, you be the judge

GL with Venice.

WA2 · 04-27-05, 04:09 PM

Just orderd the 3500 Venice...wOOt!

Burnt_Ram · 04-28-05, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WA2

Just orderd the 3500 Venice...wOOt!

how much you want for the 2.8 a64 you dont need anymore

as you can see my winnie is a dud. it will only do 2385 @ 1.65v

BeerHunter · 04-28-05, 11:35 AM

sucka today is tomorrow

I think it's worth it. Your chip now is lame, with Venice expect 3.2Ghz on vapo minimum.

WA2 · 04-28-05, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnt_Ram

how much you want for the 2.8 a64 you dont need anymore

as you can see my winnie is a dud. it will only do 2385 @ 1.65v

That is 2.8 an a MACH II (Prometeia). I am selling it for 235..would even let it go for $230, but pm me about it.

Sucka · 04-28-05, 02:57 PM

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sucka today is tomorrow

And the chip is sitting at my wifes office at Fed-Ex!@# She doesn't go into work until 3pm pst, which is when i will follow her there to get my chip! Should see how it does under phase this afternoon, already broke down the FX to get ready for her

WA2 · 04-28-05, 04:36 PM

Sweet!!! (u suck =P) BE SURE you let us know. I am so excited for this chip...feel like a child at xmas

Will the Venice be = to your FX if 3.2 is reached?

Sucka · 04-28-05, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WA2

Sweet!!! (u suck =P) BE SURE you let us know. I am so excited for this chip...feel like a child at xmas

Will the Venice be = to your FX if 3.2 is reached?

To equal my FX at 3200MHz i'll need it at about 3300-3400MHz. At equal clocks, it will be close in a lot of benches, but overall the 512kb less cache is gonna make a difference. Unless this thing will do 3200MHz+ (which i have my doubts it will) i won't keep it longer than the weekend. I just wanted to test them out myself before prices rise/supply goes down. Next up, 3700+ San Diego. Now that will go clock for clock with the FX, only thing it will lack is unlocked multi. GL with yours. If someone would post on these chips, we'll know how they are *all* gonna do because i'm assuming they're all gonna be from the same batch (the Newegg ones of course).

gvblake22 · 04-28-05, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by El<(')>Maxi

Mr. Roadster did a very nice comparison between San Diego & Clawhammer. The .90nm chip was faster but not by a huge margin @ same Mhz. So if this is any indication, I would say mhz for mhz on Venice/Winchester it would be similar.

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish...3D291&lp=fr_en

Great link, thanks!

LoneWolf121188 · 04-28-05, 05:09 PM

XS has also had some stuff about venice and SD on phase for a while now.

Sucka: I can't wait to hear your results. Lots of pics, please!

Super Nade · 04-28-05, 05:38 PM

Folks,

I keep wondering why the stock voltage for a Venice is 1.5 like the NC and unlike the Winchester. Is this an indicater for likely heat issues?

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deception`` Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta	If I were you, I'd sell the 3500+ and pick up a low-end Venice instead. Provided it avoids the cold bug, you should have no problem hitting your speed given your cooling with some change to spare. Of course, that may be too much for some, so the choice is yours to make. deception``
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Gautam Senior Benchmark Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hillsboro, OR	I agree with Deception...2.8GHz on a modded Mach II is also on the low side...I can bench at that on air, and my processor isn't even that great. If Venice is even half decent, it should do 3.0-3.1 at least on cooling like that, and 3.2 might even be possible with the right chip. __________________ El<(')>Maxi: I still have your board...and I'm afraid I lost your address so I can't send it back...and my pm box is broken...and I can't remember where the PO is anyway
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Sucka Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Denver, CO	I'll tell you how the 3500+ does under phase tomorrow On topic though, i would sell the current chip, and pick up a new one in hopes to hit higher clocks. You're obviously an enthusiest (judgeing by the cooling) so i'm supprised you would even ask. And even if you did get only a 200MHz boost, in overclocking that's a big difference, at least to me. Gonna go with Deception`` and Gautam on this one. __________________ DFI SLI-DR \| Opteron 170 \| 2x512 G.Skill LE \| x1900XTX \| 2x250GB T7K250 RAID 0 \| PCP&C 510 SLI \| X-Fi \| Dell 2007FPW Laptop \| Dell E1405 \| Core Duo 2 Merom T7200 \| 2GB DDR2 \| Intel 950GM \| 120GB HD \| 14.1 in. WXGA+ Truelife \| XP Pro Heatware
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04-27-05, 03:34 PM	Thread Starter #9
WA2 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SLC, UT	Well, the paln was to pick one up..I was just curious what others thought. Also, the 3500 is up for sale. I also just picked up an A64 3200 to see what it could do, been curios. But I will still have the funds from the 3500 (if it sells) to get a Venice.
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04-27-05, 04:09 PM	Thread Starter #11
WA2 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SLC, UT	Just orderd the 3500 Venice...wOOt!
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04-28-05, 11:35 AM	#13
BeerHunter Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Oil Country	sucka today is tomorrow I think it's worth it. Your chip now is lame, with Venice expect 3.2Ghz on vapo minimum.
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WA2 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SLC, UT	Sweet!!! (u suck =P) BE SURE you let us know. I am so excited for this chip...feel like a child at xmas Will the Venice be = to your FX if 3.2 is reached? Last edited by WA2; 04-28-05 at 04:42 PM.
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