What are these "grand canyons" on AthlonXP's?

Über~PhLuBB · 10-11-01, 10:12 AM

I've seen a few articles referring to gaps, or trenches on AthlonXPs that somehow interfere with unlocking. Can someone give me a pic to explain this? (Or a really good text explaination!)

oc jason · 10-11-01, 10:21 AM

Its the L! bridges, they used to be a flat chip surface to connect on, now there is actually a little "ditch" dug in between the 2 unconnected bridges, so you cannot directly connect the 2, you just find something to fill the bridges and then connect it

cowanrg · 10-11-01, 10:22 AM

ok, you know with the L1 bridges that you usually have to connect? well, they are flat. in the new xp chips, there is not only a gap between the contacts, but there is also a "pit" or a trench. this doesnt allow you to simply use a pencil. you have to either fill in the trench, then pencil it in, or, use a conductive material to fill in the trench, AND connect contatcs.

here is a CRUDE pic.

contact 1--> __ __ <-- contact 2
\__/

cowanrg · 10-11-01, 10:23 AM

oops, they didnt come out right, well, maybe someone will post a pic.

Über~PhLuBB · 10-11-01, 11:08 AM

No, I see what you guys are saying.

Wouldn't it make sense to use an ultra-fine tip soldering iron to solder over the gaps, or even a thick conductive paint? It would come out something like this:

Angry · 10-11-01, 11:32 AM

The problem with soldering is Frying the chips...some have done it sucsefuly..others have not...

Über~PhLuBB · 10-11-01, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Angry
The problem with soldering is Frying the chips...some have done it sucsefuly..others have not...

Then window-defogger repair paste. Use masking tape to isolate a single bridge, and slother between the tape edges. Repeat 3 more times. Boom, bang. Done.

cowanrg · 10-11-01, 11:53 AM

yeah, that works.

many people have been using a high heat tolerant compound to fill the gaps first. then, you are pretty much a the same point you would be with an old tbird or duron...

either way, you will have to viod the warranty.

Über~PhLuBB · 10-11-01, 12:05 PM

I don't see why those little tape things wouldn't work either... Y'know, they go for about $20 for 2 of 'em. It's a piece of sticky plastic with 4 little strips of adhesive metal that you just kind of "tape" to the bridges.

10-11-01, 10:12 AM	Thread Starter #1
Über~PhLuBB Jedi Knight Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR	What are these "grand canyons" on AthlonXP's? I've seen a few articles referring to gaps, or trenches on AthlonXPs that somehow interfere with unlocking. Can someone give me a pic to explain this? (Or a really good text explaination!) __________________ Member of The Avatar Maker's Guild™ Help your fellow Overclockers, Folding@Home Team 32! Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz / Asus P6T / Win 7 Pro 6GB Muskin DDR3-1600 / Enermax 720W PSU 300GB WD Velociraptor / SB X-Fi XtremeGamer 2x eVGA GTX 280 SLI / Samsung 2233rz Anything worth stealing is worth paying for.
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10-11-01, 10:21 AM	#2
oc jason Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR	Its the L! bridges, they used to be a flat chip surface to connect on, now there is actually a little "ditch" dug in between the 2 unconnected bridges, so you cannot directly connect the 2, you just find something to fill the bridges and then connect it __________________ [THE HATEMACHINE] .: p4 3.2c : Abit IC7 : 1.5gb pc3500 : Gf Fx 5950 :. [FAVORITE GIRL] .: AMDxp 3700 : DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 : 2gb pc4000 : Gf 7900gt :. WoW Server: Laughing Skull Faction: Alliance Name: Truex 60 Dwarf Rogue
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10-11-01, 10:22 AM	#3
cowanrg Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boulder, CO	ok, you know with the L1 bridges that you usually have to connect? well, they are flat. in the new xp chips, there is not only a gap between the contacts, but there is also a "pit" or a trench. this doesnt allow you to simply use a pencil. you have to either fill in the trench, then pencil it in, or, use a conductive material to fill in the trench, AND connect contatcs. here is a CRUDE pic. contact 1--> __ __ <-- contact 2 \__/
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10-11-01, 10:23 AM	#4
cowanrg Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boulder, CO	oops, they didnt come out right, well, maybe someone will post a pic.
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10-11-01, 11:08 AM	Thread Starter #5
Über~PhLuBB Jedi Knight Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR	No, I see what you guys are saying. Wouldn't it make sense to use an ultra-fine tip soldering iron to solder over the gaps, or even a thick conductive paint? It would come out something like this: __________________ Member of The Avatar Maker's Guild™ Help your fellow Overclockers, Folding@Home Team 32! Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz / Asus P6T / Win 7 Pro 6GB Muskin DDR3-1600 / Enermax 720W PSU 300GB WD Velociraptor / SB X-Fi XtremeGamer 2x eVGA GTX 280 SLI / Samsung 2233rz Anything worth stealing is worth paying for.
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10-11-01, 11:53 AM	#8
cowanrg Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boulder, CO	yeah, that works. many people have been using a high heat tolerant compound to fill the gaps first. then, you are pretty much a the same point you would be with an old tbird or duron... either way, you will have to viod the warranty.
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10-11-01, 12:05 PM	Thread Starter #9
Über~PhLuBB Jedi Knight Senior Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR	I don't see why those little tape things wouldn't work either... Y'know, they go for about $20 for 2 of 'em. It's a piece of sticky plastic with 4 little strips of adhesive metal that you just kind of "tape" to the bridges. __________________ Member of The Avatar Maker's Guild™ Help your fellow Overclockers, Folding@Home Team 32! Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz / Asus P6T / Win 7 Pro 6GB Muskin DDR3-1600 / Enermax 720W PSU 300GB WD Velociraptor / SB X-Fi XtremeGamer 2x eVGA GTX 280 SLI / Samsung 2233rz Anything worth stealing is worth paying for.
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