[Yuriman]

I decided it was about time I did a semi-official-ish performance review of MX-1 VS AS5.

And here it is.

Arctic Silver 5


Arctic Cooling MX-1


Temp1 = CPU core
Temp2 = PWM area
Temp3 = Chipset
HDD0 = Western Digital 120GB
HDD1 = Seagate 120GB

- Notice the drives are a bit warmer in the MX-1 image, perhaps my case temp was a bit higher? Everything else reads the same.

I had the room temp at a constant of 80° F. A little warmer than I like it... but it was rather hard to regulate the temperature with the huge air conditioner I have. Don't ask.

AS5 was set in by a little over a month, and the MX-1 application is only 24 hours old. I'll update if the temp continues to drop.

EDIT: The settings in my signature were used. Video card at 430/1050.

[Know Nuttin]

very nice. good to see it is competitive. how was it to install/spread out?

[IWasHungry]

Well I'm suprised, MX-1 is actually just as good as the AS5 on your system.

[Yuriman]

Less thick than AS5, I'd almost say it seems "whipped". I used the "dot in the middle" method, but it was a little harder to get a dot than with AS5 because it has less consistancy.

Reason I prefer MX-1? No silver.

[SewerBeing]

Ok, I see a couple of minor points in this review:

1) the time difference, the website says MX-1 needs 200 hours to harden and only has its optimum performance
2) you only did one mount with each which introduces the possibility of mounting error
3) The onboard temp sensors are known to be inaccurate and 1-2C could make a difference in this review
4) as you said it yourself your case temp may have been different

Now just to be sure you put the stuff on your CPU right? But besides those few points its good to know MX-1 and AS5 are similar in performance. The thing is though that AS also has a TIM with no silver called Ceramique which performs about as well as AS5. So my guess is until I hear different that MX-1 is rebranded AS Ceramique.

[Yuriman]

Ceramique is white, and dries into a very stiff paste. MX-1 dries into a powder. AS5 I mounted several times, until I got optimal temps. Used that for several months. I'll remount MX-1 after a few days, but I posted my original results immediatly for you to see. Also, as for the case temp, yes it may have been different, but chipset, pwm, and room temperature were all the same durring the tests.

[Yuriman]

Here I am, about 6 hours later, and temps have dropped another 1c. (I made sure room temperature was the same, got out my digital thermometer)

[SewerBeing]

Originally Posted by Yuriman

Ceramique is white, and dries into a very stiff paste. MX-1 dries into a powder. AS5 I mounted several times, until I got optimal temps. Used that for several months. I'll remount MX-1 after a few days, but I posted my original results immediatly for you to see. Also, as for the case temp, yes it may have been different, but chipset, pwm, and room temperature were all the same durring the tests.

First off if you remount it you need to take the data from all the mounts into account. You can't just throw out data you don't like or want. And I guess I stand corrected on the is it Ceramique or not issue

[Yuriman]

So average mount is more important than best mount? I have to average out my user error? I'm gonna PM SSS and see what he has to say about this.

[SewerBeing]

Originally Posted by Yuriman

So average mount is more important than best mount? I have to average out my user error?

yes that is correct. The thing is if you do not mount it properly then you could post here saying this product sucks. So doing 5-10 mounts and letting them sit the recommended amount of time (200 hours for the MX-1 stuff). All in all it can be very time consuming.

[Yuriman]

Alright. And 5-10 with Arctic Silver 5? I did many mountings when I first put it on, and ended up using the lowest one.

[SewerBeing]

if you want to be accurate than yes you will need to use the same procedures for both TIM's. Be sure to thoroughly clean the CPU and HS between each remount. Also I suggest putting a thermal diode there to monitor the temps better than the motherboard sensors which are known to be pretty bad.

[geid3811]

Originally Posted by Yuriman

So average mount is more important than best mount? I have to average out my user error? I'm gonna PM SSS and see what he has to say about this.

I know the data that is useful to me are the results with proper application and proper mounting. I don't want data that includes the time you didn't seat the HS quite right or the time you dumped the whole tube of paste on the core.

It may take several tries to get that right but it is the results that contain the lowest temps that intrest me. I'm not concerned with average performance.

[SewerBeing]

Originally Posted by geid3811

I know the data that is useful to me are the results with proper application and proper mounting. I don't want data that includes the time you didn't seat the HS quite right or the time you dumped the whole tube of paste on the core.

It may take several tries to get that right but it is the results that contain the lowest temps that intrest me. I'm not concerned with average performance.

That approach is not statistically accurate for a couple of reasons. First off the other temps will vary with each mounting. The point of repeating it that many times is to smooth out any differences. Even if he mounts it properly it could still vary a bit so averaging that means you just get a nice simple number. However, you should throw out any time where the number is way off (such as bad mounting or bad paste application). What I meant to get at is 5-10 good mounts.

http://www.procooling.com/reviews/as...ges/g5reps.jpg <- that is what I mean (credit goes to pH over at procooling).

[Silversinksam]

Originally Posted by Yuriman

Here I am, about 6 hours later, and temps have dropped another 1c. (I made sure room temperature was the same, got out my digital thermometer)

I'll be honest with you, Arctic Cooling and I have issues in the integrity and honesty department, I also do not believe MX-1 can best AS-5.
Arctic Coolings results on their WEBSITE is total and utter and I can prove it.
The DATA and Temps at Arctic Cooling were STOLEN from this review (well I suspect they may have had a hand in that review, so maybe they did not steal it from themselves, but something stinks and it's not the 3 day old meatloaf)

If you compare the temperatures in the ocprices.com and the Arctic Cooling reviews, you will see that they are identical for every compound. The only difference is that they have substituted the name of their product, MX-1, for the Shin Etsu G-751 that was actually tested.
They are claiming that they won a thermal compound shoot-out that their product was not even included in. Once again, they are trying to deceive consumers and overclockers.
First it was fake product, now it is fake reviews. When will the stop?

Yuri, your a good guy but something isn't right with your testing. Just because the room temp is the same doesn't equate to the conditions being the same. We are talking about a different time of the year if you tested the AS5 30 days prior. Another factor is did you use a brand new heatsink for each paste, cross contamination occurs if you didn't.

I'm really sick of Arctic Coolings ! I'm contemplating putting out a challenge, I am contemplating betting Arctic Cooling $1000 US Dollars that under laboratory testing this Mx-1 cannot beat Arctic Silver 5, and loser foots the bill for the controlled laboratory testing, as each TIM will cost about $500+ dollars to test, and may reach $1000 per TIM since we are talking about each TIM being in a Laboratory for 200 hours.

I will get back to this thread and decide if I want to put this challenge out tomorrow night. I'm pretty sure they won't accept because I know which will win and they know which will lose.
PS I get to pick the Laboratory

[geid3811]

Ah, that makes more sense. I thought you were suggesting averaging in all runs regardless of user error.

BTW good job on the testing Yuri.

[9mmCensor]

Stick it to 'em SSS!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Silversinksam

The only difference is that they have substituted the name of their product, MX-1, for the Shin Etsu G-751 that was actually tested.
They are claiming that they won a thermal compound shoot-out that their product was not even included in. Once again, they are trying to deceive consumers and overclockers.

Well, I'm going to bet that MX-1 is Shin Etsu G-751 then. I don't think Artic Cooling would have used those numbers on the website and the back of the packaging if they were actualy for a totaly different compound. Both are non conductive and have a similar color but thats the best I can do without actualy weeing the Shin Etsu in person.

In any case I am interested in finiding out as you are.

[Silversinksam]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well, I'm going to bet that MX-1 is Shin Etsu G-751 then. I don't think Artic Cooling would have used those numbers on the website and the back of the packaging if they were actualy for a totaly different compound. Both are non conductive and have a similar color but thats the best I can do without actualy weeing the Shin Etsu in person.

In any case I am interested in finiding out as you are.

That's not the case, anyone that has ever used Shin Etsu G751 will tell you its a very non pliable paste, its has the consistency of clay. The sample Yuriman tested in his words were Less thick than AS-5, I'd almost say it seems "whipped". , that rules out MX-1 being Shin Etsu G-751. Arctic Cooling's Mx-1 did use the numbers for the Shin Etsu paste as their own, and they also were scumbags that marketed fake silver paste, they are up there on my list of manufacturers that are lacking ethics and like to defraud and lie to the consumer.

I always say nice things about Arctic Cooling, you ever wonder why they have not tried to sue me for slander? It's because I speak the truth and I have the proof.

[Yuriman]

Actualy, the results I got from the AS5 were only a day before the original results I posted from the MX-1. Certainly temperatures were slightly different, but they were within 1° of each other. And, according to the motherboard's sensors (which does not say much, I'll admit), the pastes are within 1c of each other. I'll remount, and I'll get a probe to test for the actual temperature.