2.96ghz celeron or anthlon x p 3000+

I was considerding getting a cheaper motherboard and cpu bundle. Would a celeron at 533 fsb 2.96ghz be better then a 3000+ anthlon xp at 333 fsb. I know the celeron has 256 l2 but in terms of ocing i heard the celeron has more potential.

the celeron here-
www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1197957&CatId=0

3000+ xp here-

www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1543032&Sku=MBM-KVT6-3000

they are about the same price and i know abit is pretty good. thanks

overclocking wise, the celeron is better in imho.

On the other hand, i dont know if your going to be able to overclock much with either of those motherboards offered in the deal.

IMO, i would look for a mobile xp, and a NF7 2.0.

only way I would get a celeron is if it was LGA775, I won't get a 478 version. Gonna limit your upgrade possibilities. Did you consider a Socket 754 Chip?

Yeah, I would put into consideration getting a second-hand 754 board and an E6 sempron. That will give you the best value and overclocking, as you can see in my sig.

I currently have a 2.6ghz northwood @400fsb. My intent was to get a cheaper motherboard / processor overclocked to be usable with my x800xl.
Im using a crappy agp4x gigabyte sis chipset mobo currently so anything is an improvement. In terms of upgrading i am not worrying about that. That said what would be best suited as a reasonble overclocker and basic work cpu. Also would the 533 fsb on the intel do better then the 333 on the athlon xp and would the smaller cache of a celeron haunt me thanks.

I took a look at some 774 semprons and correct me if im mistaken isn't a 2800 sempron weaker then both a 2.96 cleron and a 3000+. Also id like to be able to get the processor i choose to a 3.4ghz inquivelent if possible. Hope that helps.

Chickenfeed said:

I took a look at some 774 semprons and correct me if im mistaken isn't a 2800 sempron weaker then both a 2.96 cleron and a 3000+. Also id like to be able to get the processor i choose to a 3.4ghz inquivelent if possible. Hope that helps.

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The Sempron64 2800+ at stock is basically equivalent to the celeron and axp, there should not be a very noticable difference in speed. But that is with a clockspeed of 1.6ghz. Once you bump that up to 2.6+, the Performance Rating is about 3850 (according to sandra 2005). It should quite easily beat a 3.4ghz p4 in gaming. Plus, it is cheaper than either of the chips you listed. The downside is that you would need to get a pretty good motherboard that can do at least 320htt to use the sempron's full potential.

O sorry i didnt realize that that pin and processor are 64bit 1600fsb which i am guessing why it cleans up and yes i checked and they have bundles similar in cost of the other 2 i was looking at except without the rebate so 180 canadian about. Heres a link to the page of 2800+ with motherboards.They all appear to be VIA chipsets so i dont know if that sucks or not since ive heard those nf3 are the way to go with agp and amd.Also it looks like some are 128 cache and others 256. If it isnt too much trouble it would be great if you could give me an idea which would be the best one for me. Thanks alot
chicken

Sorry, but I don't know much about the via chipsets. If I was you I would look around for a refurbished NF3 250GB motherboard. I have heard that the chaintech nf3 goes for pretty cheap these days and overclocks very well. You should also check around the motherboards forum and see if any of those via mobos is any good. I'll also see what I can find out about them.

Since you decided on a sempron, maybe a mod could move this to the AMD forums. I'm sure they can give you much more advice there.

Im not sure what i have decided on yet really. I just basically want somethign cheap and simple enough to have my x800xl running properly wether i have to oc or not so if a celeron d 340 does it fine im not to worried about the future of this pc once i get it working with this card.

Well i think im going to go for a the 340 celeron d. It is closer to my budget and this is meant as a fix not a long time gaming pc. This is the one id like to get...
www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1197957&CatId=0
It would be cool if somone could tell me if this combination has any potential for some ocing like mabey getting her to 3.4ghz.

well you could get that but its Socket 478, thats kinda a nono with perscotts.

Why is that cause my price range is either that or the 3000+ and from what ive read the 3000+ is a decent amount better at stock plus 512 cache so between those which do you think should do the trick price being the same.

the celly mobo has t he Intel 848P chipset, not sure what kinda bios options the mobo has, but i know you can oc that with cpufsb, expect 4ghz with some good ram.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cp...mpron-3400.html

Celeron is faster in every syntetic bench....but what about real world ?
test Celeron d 4ghz vs Sempron 2.6ghz (Celeron and sempron was overclocked)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3400_7.html

And Celeron is not better at video/audio encoding like some ppl think (celeron dont have HT)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3400_8.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3400_9.html
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=5
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=6
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=7
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=9

and here the conclusion about the two oced procs:
Our comparative tests of the Sempron 3400+ and Intel’s Celeron 351 show that AMD’s value processor delivers more performance in a majority of applications, especially in games where the Sempron 3400+ is nearly 50% faster than the competing solution. Thus, we can state that the Sempron 3400+ is currently the best choice in its price category.

go with a Sempron64 and overclock it to 2.4 or more and no Celeron can compete with that in games...
but post about that in Amd forum, because people here dont like to talk about other solution than Intel one..

This last Abit mobo and Celly combo is not bad for the price. Personally, for a low budget I would get the Abit AS8 (socket LGA775) and a Celeron D with a lower multiplier like the 2.4, 2.53, or 2.66 (because they are cheaper and will yield higher FSB for more performance). All of the LGA775 Celeron D CPUs will be the E0 stepping, so they will all be great overclockers. I picked up a cheap used 2.53 Celly D that did a stable 3.8 gig.

Here is a brand new Celeron D 2.53 LGA775 with 64-bit support for only $77 from newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819112207

Newegg has some good refurb mobos. They don't have the Abit AS8 at the moment, but this Asus P5P800 is almost as good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131532R

This combo I just listed the links for will O/C great together. You can use your AGP vid card and DDR RAM too. It's not very much more than the price you listed before, and you don't have to hassle with the $50 rebate that you won't see for 3 months. The overclocked 64-bit Celeron D will beat the Sempron in most benchies too, regardless what the AMD fan boys claim (perhaps except games). Besides, nothing beats Intel chipsets for reliablity and stability. I had the opportunity to test out a 2.53 Celly D at 3.8 gig, so I know first hand what it'll do.

batboy said:

The overclocked 64-bit Celeron D will beat the Sempron in most benchies too, regardless what the AMD fan boys claim (perhaps except games).

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Mods ?
This is a very unfair comment from an Intel-only user. I think users like this need to behave corectly and post reviews that demonstrate so. Plus to say im fanboy ?

Im very disapointed in this forums ppl these day, many acuses me of fanboyism....

What makes you think I'm an Intel only guy? I've had several AMD systems. I was posting about my personal experience with overclocking the Celeron D (which is nothing like the wimpy Northwood Celerons) and how it compared to other systems I've played with. Please stay on topic. Let's not hijack his thread.

ronaldo said:

Mods ?
This is a very unfair comment from an Intel-only user. I think users like this need to behave corectly and post reviews that demonstrate so. Plus to say im fanboy ?

Im very disapointed in this forums ppl these day, many acuses me of fanboyism....

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I reviewed the comment.

He referenced a general group; nothing was directed at you. ("AMD fan boys," as opposed to something like "that AMD fan boy.") Could the language barrier have led to this misinterpretation on your part?

As for your other comments, nobody has a problem with comparing the two here, although the major topic in the Intel forum should be Intel processors. The aggressive, militant language, however, is problematic. It changes the dynamic from one of constructive comparison and analysis to one of us vs. them.

At any rate, as this thread probably better belongs in the General CPU Discussion forum, but I don't see any reason why we can't continue it in a civil manner here. -- macklin01