[-maddog-]

Any overclockers wishing to form a overclockers anti DRM group please state you interest here. DRM isn't where you can't burn a cd out of the file anymore. It allows people to physically look at, modify, and delete your files, shut down you computer, and watch what you're doing. Think you can just go around it? Pentium D already has Palladium software in it preloaded meaning you're comuter is physically against you.

A few articles written by myself and shelnutt2

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Helpful links:


Eff.org

http://www.againsttcpa.com/

aclu.org

The Following items have TCP implemented:

Many companies support it ie: AMD, IBM, Adobe, Intel, HP and more, but many signed on years ago. No big deal? Well they haven't left. Intel and IBM have been active though. Sony is the #1 danger, they are really pushing and are realing out software that harms us the consumer and is dangerous to our pc. I consider IBM the #2. They make pc with it active and are a major brand. Microsoft #3.


DO NOT BUY THESE ITEMS:
Pentium D has built in Palladium
Pentium 3 with fritz chip
IBM Thinkpad X30 (and other Thinkpad X models also I think)
SONY CD'S with copy protection

Below list by Andre Lorbach (http://www.againsttcpa.com)
Crusoe TM8500 Transmeta
The Crusoe processor TM8500 will have TCPA functions integrated. For all dummies out there , this is a full X86 compatible CPU which is used for small notebooks. All Crusoe chips are designed to save as much power as possible.
Information added by Andre Lorbach

PC21100 National
Another TCPA-Compliant Chip which has a Risc-Core that can be used to secure "hidden code and data" and to execute it.
Information added by Andre Lorbach

AT97SC3201 Atmel More infos
This is a chip which is used to save 2048 Bit encryption keys and other "secure" data. It also can encrypt and decrypt with 2048 bit.
Information added by Andre Lorbach

AMIBIOS8 American Megatrends
This is an extension modul for the AMIBIOS8. Because of the TCPA-Hardware check, the bootprocess approx 5 seconds longer.
Information added by Andre Lorbach

Thinkpad X30, Netvista IBM
This notebook series from IBM has an TCPA compliant chip inbuilt. IBM calls it the "TCPA-compliant IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0".
Information added by Andre Lorbach

ST19XP1
A so called "Fritz" Chip similiar to that one from Atmel. I am sorry, but there are no further information's about this chip available.

SLD9630_TT_1.1 Infineon
Description will come soon.

[9mmCensor]

DRM sucks!

[-maddog-]

The thing that annoys me is that we just can't choose not to use it or bypass it, there trying to make it illegal.

[dicecca112]

yeah well I'm against it, but there will be hacks, and if worse comes to worse, I use two computers, one for online without DRM, and one with it not online. I think its a lot of people freaking out for something that isn't gonna be that bad

[-maddog-]

Originally Posted by dicecca112

yeah well I'm against it, but there will be hacks, and if worse comes to worse, I use two computers, one for online without DRM, and one with it not online. I think its a lot of people freaking out for something that isn't gonna be that bad

Recently there have been bills in congress to make hollywood be allowed to hack pcs.

[Quailane]

As long as the comp will load an OS, there will be work-arounds by using linux.

[-maddog-]

Originally Posted by Quailane

As long as the comp will load an OS, there will be work-arounds by using linux.

It can be made to allow only one OS to load. Though some viruses can fry you motherboard and cpu. So one could be programmed to destroy the protection.

[Captain Newbie]

I'd like to start an anti-DRM PAC, but...*shrug*

Go Google PAC.

[-maddog-]

EFF.org great site. Some articles you should see:

Trusted Computing Group Helps Lock Down Mobile Phones

EFF Criticizes Plan for Restrictive New Cell Technology

San Francisco - The Trusted Computing Group (TCG), an industry consortium developing controversial computer security specifications, has released a wish list of applications of TCG technology to cell phone security. Unfortunately, much of this "security" aims to help cell phone carriers cement their control over their customers.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) attended TCG's announcement in San Francisco on Tuesday and criticized the proposals as steps in the wrong direction for the future of mobile communications.

"TCG is proudly offering to help cell phone carriers lock down your phone," said EFF Staff Technologist Seth Schoen. "The proposals described today aim to help your cell phone company decide who can publish software or media for your phone, whether you can load your own documents, and even whether you can switch carriers or resell your phone. These are not innovations that consumers will applaud."

TCG announced a set of eleven "use cases" that its members will discuss how to support with TCG technologies in cell phones. Among other applications, TCG suggested:

* "Device integrity" and "SIMlock/device personalization," which would prevent you from switching mobile carriers or reselling or donating your phone to someone else.

* "Platform integrity" and "software use" controls, which would let your cell phone company, not you, decide what software is allowed to run on your phone.

* "Digital rights management support" helps publishers, not you, control how you can use media on your cell phone.

TCG says these new "features" are all in the name of "security" - whether they are protecting against viruses or ensuring that users can't take their phones with them when they change carriers and can't use third-party applications that aren't provided by their carriers. But this security is not necessarily for consumers' benefit. In many cases, TCG's proposals offer "security" only against you, not for you, and the legitimate security benefits could be achieved without also locking down consumer choice. You won't see such consumer benefits as being able to change cell phone carriers easily or freely use the digital media you have purchased.

TCG's proposals for cell phones contrast with its work on security chips for personal computers. In the PC environment, TCG has taken pains to say that its technology is not specifically aimed at restricting users. But TCG is now explicitly offering to help restrict users.

"The cell phone industry hasn't yet realized that cell phones are little computers, and that users expect the same amount of choice about how to use their phones as they enjoy with their PCs and PDAs," Schoen added. "We should be working to make cell phones more like PCs rather than making PCs more like restricted cell phones. But today TCG has demonstrated its eagerness to assist carriers who wish to force more restrictions on consumers, rather than offer them more control and flexibility."

For TCG's announcements at the CTIA Wireless IT & Entertainment conference: https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/groups/mobile

For more on trusted computing on the PC: http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing

Contacts:

Chris Palmer
Technology Manager
Electronic Frontier Foundation
chris@eff.org

Seth Schoen
Staff Technologist
Electronic Frontier Foundation
seth@eff.org
Posted at 07:58 AM

September 28, 2005
FCC Mandate Forces 'Backdoors' in Broadband ISPs and VoIP

EFF and Others to Challenge Privacy-Invasive Rule

Washington, DC - The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has issued a "First Report and Order" confirming its expansion of the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) to the Internet. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is planning to challenge the rule in court.

The new rule forces Internet broadband providers and "interconnected" Voice-over-IP (VoIP) providers to build backdoors into their networks to make it easier for law enforcement to listen in on private communications. EFF has argued against this expansion of CALEA in several rounds of comments to the FCC.

"A tech mandate requiring backdoors in the Internet endangers the privacy of innocent people, stifles innovation, and risks the Internet as a forum for free and open expression," said Kurt Opsahl, EFF staff attorney.

CALEA, a law passed in the early 1990s, required that all telephone providers build surveillance backdoors into their networks. Due to pressure from EFF and other privacy groups, Congress expressly exempted information services like broadband. But the new details released on September 23rd show that the FCC has decided to ignore Congress's decision to protect the Internet, instead forcing all "facilities-based" providers of any type of broadband Internet access service, as well as interconnected VoIP services, to make their networks wiretap-ready. According to the FCC, all VoIP communications on a given service must be wiretap-ready if the VoIP service offers the capability for users to connect calls with the public switched telephone network (PSTN), even those communications that do not involve the PSTN.

Practically, what this means is that the government will be asking broadband providers -- as well as companies that manufacture devices used for broadband communications -- to create new backdoors for surveillance, imperiling the privacy and security of citizens on the Internet. It also hobbles technical innovation by forcing companies involved in broadband to redesign their products to meet government requirements.

Acknowledging that the FCC is reaching beyond Congress's intention by expanding CALEA to the Internet, FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps admitted that "[the] statute is undeniably stretched," and FCC Commissioner Kathleen Q. Abernathy issued a plea that Congress revisit its decision to exempt the Internet, stating the "application of CALEA to these new services could be stymied for years" by litigation.

"The FCC's overreach is an attempt to overrule Congress's decision to exclude 'information services,'" said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien. "By mandating backdoors in any service that has the capability to replace functions provided by a telephone, the FCC has stretched the statute to the breaking point."

Contact:

Kurt Opsahl
Staff Attorney
Electronic Frontier Foundation
kurt@eff.org
Posted at 12:09 AM

[WingsofGOD]

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

Linkage to some info on what this garbage is...

[TollhouseFrank]

as for the DRM.... there is already a software company out there 'hacking' your computer, and it's completely legit because you agree to it in order to play thier game! What game is this? World of Warcraft from Blizzard!

Thier software lets them onto your system so that they can see EVERYTHING you have running on the system in RAM. They claim this is just to stop hackers/cheaters (which it may well be innocently enough all it does). However, what this means is that all it takes is any company doing the same thing and gaining total control over your system if they want to. MS putting something similar into windows? Don't bet against it. Game manufactures starting to do this to prevent anything but players THEY want in the game? Its already happening.

However, you can't run to Linux and think you'll be safe. Whatever limits put on you by law isn't going to be 'legal' to get around by going to linux. Linux makers will still have to play nice to use stuff like HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, media files encrypted with DRM, etc. You will STILL have the same limits placed upon you, however, using linux or anything else to crack those limits will be made illegal, even though the limits themselves illegally disallow us to use what we rightfully bought and own.

[mdameron]

Where do I sign, eh?

I hate being not trusted.

[JigPu]

I'm not against the idea of DRM.
I'm not against having a (reasonable) DRM system on my computer.
I'm not even against the DRM that you mention in your third sentance (since that is NOT DRM [i am against whatever it is though ])


I'm also not against those of you who want to shove M$/Hollywood/RIAA/whoever's idea of DRM back where it came from. While I can live with it, I can also certiatnly live without it

Best of luck to the ADO! (anti-DRM overclockers)
JigPu

[mdameron]

Originally Posted by JigPu

Best of luck to the ADO! (anti-DRM overclockers)
JigPu

Now we have a banner!!! Fly it high and proud!

[-maddog-]

Originally Posted by TollhouseFrank

as for the DRM.... there is already a software company out there 'hacking' your computer, and it's completely legit because you agree to it in order to play thier game! What game is this? World of Warcraft from Blizzard!

Thier software lets them onto your system so that they can see EVERYTHING you have running on the system in RAM. They claim this is just to stop hackers/cheaters (which it may well be innocently enough all it does). However, what this means is that all it takes is any company doing the same thing and gaining total control over your system if they want to. MS putting something similar into windows? Don't bet against it. Game manufactures starting to do this to prevent anything but players THEY want in the game? Its already happening.

However, you can't run to Linux and think you'll be safe. Whatever limits put on you by law isn't going to be 'legal' to get around by going to linux. Linux makers will still have to play nice to use stuff like HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, media files encrypted with DRM, etc. You will STILL have the same limits placed upon you, however, using linux or anything else to crack those limits will be made illegal, even though the limits themselves illegally disallow us to use what we rightfully bought and own.

And we are against. Steps on for getting around it.

Required matereals : Screwdriver
1. Turn off your pc.
2. Take your screwdriver and shove it up your big fat ethernet port.
3. Turn on your computer.
4. Enjoy
5. Now for the fine print: By doing this you hereby acknowledge I nor ocforums.com no overclockers.com shall be held liable for any damages of any sort inflicted directly or indirectly.

[Midnight Dream]

lol, nice. Im all for using DRM to help protect groups and all, but not for the basis of controlling the user down to the T. DRM for music? Ok, you should get the music you have legally anyways. DRM for deciding what can and cannot run on YOUR computer? No.

Sign me up.

[-maddog-]

Originally Posted by Midnight Dream

lol, nice. Im all for using DRM to help protect groups and all, but not for the basis of controlling the user down to the T. DRM for music? Ok, you should get the music you have legally anyways. DRM for deciding what can and cannot run on YOUR computer? No.

Sign me up.

DRM when requires a internet connection has stretched a toe over the line. When it controls your pc there's no tolerance.

[four4875]

anyone familiar with the term "listeners license" from the tales from the afternow series? thats what it's coming down to.

if you arent familiar, i reccomend it, http://www.theafternow.com

I am completely for anti DRM movements.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/ another site ive come across.

[-maddog-]

Dug this out from one of my old posts on the pentium d: here

[mdameron]

That would really suck if they implemented DRM on music. Some of us have huge, completely legal backups on our computer... what if we didn't rip over all the 'licensing' crap... what if we just used mp3 with no tags? Just the thought of re-ripping my collection gives me shivers.

[Sjaak]

Add me.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by -maddog-

It can be made to allow only one OS to load. Though some viruses can fry you motherboard and cpu. So one could be programmed to destroy the protection.

Actually HW manufacturers are looking into building machines that let you run multiple OSes now.

(Yeah I know dualbooting... I have had triple and quadboot systems.. .though I don't like it.. .adding those extra 5 seconds to boot time is annoying )

As for joining eff... check out digitalreactive's posts at integrityp2p.com he is very into this and always has a lot of good news (and bad news) about the war against the RIAA.

Music is free. I know it is.. I turn on my radio and there it is... All I have to do is buy the radio.

Anyhow Yes Intel has the DRM integrated... Vista is possibly going to add it too the OS for Video. (Though in all fairness the move is too make all present HDTV obsolete too but requiring a DRM chip in televisions, by the year 2007... so MS might just have been planning for this since the OS was pushed to 2007 at one point (though its back to q4 2006 now :P ) And the Vista DRM thing only applies to HDTV IIRC)

As part of a civilized society the arts are meant to be appreciated. The fact that bands might make 10cents to a dollar and album is a bunch of bull for something that costs a dollar to produce and sells for 10-20 bucks...

The people getting rich of off selling albums are not actually producing anything. The artists make their money off of touring... the studio that records the album isn't making millions off of it. A friend of mine made an AWESOME album in the 80's for $35/hour at a local studio. The only reason most "popstars" require a million or more to record an album is cuz the SUCK. If me moved to a pay for performance to society, a lot of crap music would disappear. And people would be willing to shill out 3-5 bucks to get a new band on wax.

BAH.. I say too much there are plenty of other places for Rants... I suppose this is not one of them...

[IWasHungry]

DRM seems like a good idea (Anti-illegal activities), but it's the potential for abuse that bothers me. We'de be leaving it up to big business to decide what we can or cannot do.
Also, I didn't know AMD joined the TCG. I thought it was just like Intel and Micro$haft.
At this point, I think the government should be spending much more effort trying to enforce the Internet, since that's where most of the pirated stuff comes from. I think I read an article saying that a new Internet was being proposed, so we can start over from scratch, with security built into the system. Not adding it as an afterthought, because we had no idea that a way to communicate across the world would become such a monster.

/riot

[four4875]

i thought there were some campuses and other facilities that were linked with an internet 2.0 type thing, which also links to the rest of the net, but over their internet 2.0 thing they have massive bandwidth.

i dont know about the rest of it, i just hope im dead before it gets all "fascist america, computer operates you!"

[Quailane]

Originally Posted by TollhouseFrank

However, you can't run to Linux and think you'll be safe. Whatever limits put on you by law isn't going to be 'legal' to get around by going to linux. Linux makers will still have to play nice to use stuff like HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, media files encrypted with DRM, etc. You will STILL have the same limits placed upon you, however, using linux or anything else to crack those limits will be made illegal, even though the limits themselves illegally disallow us to use what we rightfully bought and own.

Well, I am sure most people running linux aren"t going to care, if my school is any indication. Of course the distros arent going to go against the drm, but nothing is stopping the users. Also I can have a purely pirated windows pc with cracked and illegal everything from the OS to applications, to the media files, to the games. With Vista and the DRM stuff, I am sure cracked media and apps will work just fine, unless it doesnt allow you to play your home movies or music you made, or pictures you took.

Originally Posted by four4875

i thought there were some campuses and other facilities that were linked with an internet 2.0 type thing, which also links to the rest of the net, but over their internet 2.0 thing they have massive bandwidth.

i dont know about the rest of it, i just hope im dead before it gets all "fascist america, computer operates you!"

Yeah, we have I2. Just more streamlined I guess, not a big difference.

[JigPu]

Originally Posted by four4875

i thought there were some campuses and other facilities that were linked with an internet 2.0 type thing, which also links to the rest of the net, but over their internet 2.0 thing they have massive bandwidth.

Yup, that'd be Internet2. I'm pretty sure that it's an independant network though, so there aren't any links between it and the rest of the net. Internet2 is only available to universitites (and perhaps large research agencies too) for the purpose of communicating information at a high rate of speed now that the Internet has "bogged down" so much with all the traffic it sees.

JigPu

[Quailane]

Originally Posted by JigPu

Yup, that'd be Internet2. I'm pretty sure that it's an independant network though, so there aren't any links between it and the rest of the net. Internet2 is only available to universitites (and perhaps large research agencies too) for the purpose of communicating information at a high rate of speed now that the Internet has "bogged down" so much with all the traffic it sees.

JigPu

Internet2 links directly to internet 1. If you go to a website from a college on internet 2, that page is on internet 2, but you can access it just not with the features.

*EDIT*
Wait, this should clear up the confusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_2

[JigPu]

Aaah, I was refering to more "normal" interconnections. Obviously universities act as a switchboard between Internet1 and Internet2 (I knew I should have qualified that in my post! ). Wikipedia said much better what I was trying to say: "Abilene is not technically part of the Internet since it does not peer with the public Internet networks."

JigPu

[felinusz]

Sign me up.

[-maddog-]

Originally Posted by jack222

Buddy, could you add me? When i quoted Sjaak, i wanted to be included.

Sry, missed ya, ur in now.