Why Sata over IDE?

Nevalite · 12-08-05, 10:41 PM

Ill be building a pc soon and i wanted to know the main dif. between them other than the plug/cables are different, is sata worth it?

soundfx4 · 12-08-05, 11:04 PM

yes, yes, and yes. Not only do the drives cost about the same, but they perform faster, and in some cases (the WD raptor drive) much faster. A few other good points: Less annoying ribbon clutter, MUCH easier to work with than ribbon cables, and SATA power connectors are also easier to work with as opposed to the standard four pin molex connectors.

If you are building a new system, I wouldn't even consider PATA IDE drives, not for anything. Hope that helps you out, good luck!

Quailane · 12-09-05, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevalite

Ill be building a pc soon and i wanted to know the main dif. between them other than the plug/cables are different, is sata worth it?

Even if they were exactly the same otherwise, you should go for sata just because it is a much newer technology and IDE is on the way out. Price wise they are the same, so there is really no reason not to get SATA.

johan851 · 12-09-05, 02:30 AM

There really isn't much difference right now in terms of speed (133mb/s max with IDE vs. 150mb/s max with SATA), not that any drives can max that anyway. SATA does have a lot more of a future though, like people have said, with speeds up to 600mb/s, I believe. SATA also suppots a couple of new features like Native Command Queuing (NCQ), which should be (arguably) an advantage.

Even though there is very little difference between the two in terms of functionality, those smaller cables really do make a huge difference. Between that and future-proofing, there's no reason not to go SATA.

K15 · 12-09-05, 02:37 AM

What they all said, same reason why you wouldn't want to buy an AGP motherboard now. IDE is very old (from 1990, maybe before). Granted the speeds have gotten much faster since back then (original speed was 33mb/s I think). Also easier to RAID with SATA, if you ever decide to.

Enablingwolf · 12-09-05, 02:47 AM

Sata also runs on its own channel. Most IDE typically share on one cable.

Know Nuttin · 12-09-05, 04:55 AM

SATA also allows for a much longer cable in accordance with specifications, than IDE does. So you can put the hard disk just about anywhere in the case and not worry about signal integrity or strength, or relying on CRC to correct any data transmission errors.

Albaholic · 12-09-05, 05:11 AM

just the ease of wiring should be reason enough to go sata. Unless you already have Pata drives i see no reason to get them over sata

icedogg9999 · 12-09-05, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albaholic

just the ease of wiring should be reason enough to go sata. Unless you already have Pata drives i see no reason to get them over sata

Sata provides higher transfer rates, in theory, and a small cable design. This can give you increased airflow if your one of those people who must have a tidy case. Also, as others said, the WD Raptors are the bad boys of hard drives today. The good thing is, most high-end motherboard still come equipped with two ide channels, allowing you to hook up ide, sata, and sometimes raid.

deathman20 · 12-09-05, 09:36 AM

SATA period

Some cases its cheaper then IDE drives, and at most a few dollars more (like 1-2 more). Added bonus is with the smaller cables, and better management with them. Using these comes improved case airflow with the drives since we'll your not dealing with a thick round cable or a flat ribbon cable.

Theres definatly not a reason not to go with them.

Sleepy_Steve · 12-09-05, 11:17 AM

WHY!?!?

cause its newer, cooler, offers the new bigger drives, with more cache, and most importantly - has the potential to be a bit faster.

avalanche83 · 12-09-05, 11:25 AM

It is alot faster. My Raptor takes like one passsing on the windows bar to load if that. Games load super quick and seed times are crazy. It really is worth it.

Yakbak · 12-11-05, 01:23 PM

Also, you can hotplug SATA drives, which saves you a reboot if installing an additional HD for data storage.

deathman20 · 12-11-05, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avalanche83

It is alot faster. My Raptor takes like one passsing on the windows bar to load if that. Games load super quick and seed times are crazy. It really is worth it.

Thats because its a Raptor not a normal 7200 RPM drive. Those drives are faster but they are only SATA drive too.

tom10167 · 12-11-05, 01:36 PM

I guess using an infinitely better power cable is a good reason too.

Molex = suck

SuperFarStucker · 12-11-05, 01:58 PM

There isn't really any legitimate reason other than IDE is legacy. I have two sata drives and two pata drives in my machine, the performance is as good as the same. The compact cable is nice but when you got a million others in your machine you tend to not really care. I've never had any problems with molex connectors but the sata ones do seem a little nicer. There isn't any reason not too, because the costs are identical in most cases. I just picked up some pata drives on the cheap (30 USD AR) so I couldn't complain.

soundfx4 · 12-11-05, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFarStucker

I've never had any problems with molex connectors but the sata ones do seem a little nicer

you mean to tell me you never had to pry a molex connector out? Or force one into the back of your HDD? Obviously they aren't all like that, but even one PITA molex connecter is one to many.

:

deathman20 · 12-11-05, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundfx4

you mean to tell me you never had to pry a molex connector out? Or force one into the back of your HDD? Obviously they aren't all like that, but even one PITA molex connecter is one to many.

:

I've had that issue, and its more common then not. Think there might of only been a few devices that its been easy to disconnect the molex connectors with.

jcw122 · 12-11-05, 09:08 PM

I can think of why I would not want SATA over IDE:

-possibly less overhead towards one SATA controller w/ multiple drives
-0...yes zero, advantage of SPEED when using 7200RPM or slower drives
-not enough plugs (in case u have alot of drives?

I'm buying an IDE drive as a backup drive soon.

soundfx4 · 12-11-05, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathman20

I've had that issue, and its more common then not. Think there might of only been a few devices that its been easy to disconnect the molex connectors with.

lol, I know! I have a few that I ALWAYS have to pull out as hard as I can. Only one of the molex connectors in my case will connect and disconnect really easy. Every other molex connector...forget it.

12-08-05, 10:41 PM	Thread Starter #1
Nevalite Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada	Why Sata over IDE? Ill be building a pc soon and i wanted to know the main dif. between them other than the plug/cables are different, is sata worth it?
	QUOTE Thanks

12-08-05, 11:04 PM	#2
soundfx4 Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Roanoke, VA	yes, yes, and yes. Not only do the drives cost about the same, but they perform faster, and in some cases (the WD raptor drive) much faster. A few other good points: Less annoying ribbon clutter, MUCH easier to work with than ribbon cables, and SATA power connectors are also easier to work with as opposed to the standard four pin molex connectors. If you are building a new system, I wouldn't even consider PATA IDE drives, not for anything. Hope that helps you out, good luck! __________________ Facts about me: 1: I'm a cheater and pround of it! (video games) R.I.P. - Console Game Cheating, Pelican Code breaker, Game shark, you will be missed, and console gaming will never be the same with out you. 2: Currently learning to speak japanese (was...I haven't got back into this yet) 3: Playing wow again -_- Realm:Shandris Faction:Alliance Class:Druid Level:80 Spec:Feral Name:Hawtdrood 4: I'm Depressed most of the time, and I still don't know what I want to do with my life 5: I like cars and hope to learn to work on them one day
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 02:30 AM	#4
johan851 Insatiably Malcontent Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	There really isn't much difference right now in terms of speed (133mb/s max with IDE vs. 150mb/s max with SATA), not that any drives can max that anyway. SATA does have a lot more of a future though, like people have said, with speeds up to 600mb/s, I believe. SATA also suppots a couple of new features like Native Command Queuing (NCQ), which should be (arguably) an advantage. Even though there is very little difference between the two in terms of functionality, those smaller cables really do make a huge difference. Between that and future-proofing, there's no reason not to go SATA. __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 \| 2500K @ 4.6GHz \| 2x4GB Samsung DDR3 \| GTX460 768mb 120GB Crucial M4 \| 2x 2TB Samsung F4 \| Seasonic S12 600w AV-710 --> y2 DAC --> Custom M^3 --> Custom LM3875 ChipAmp --> Modula MTs Dual Dell 2007WFP \| Watercooled
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 02:37 AM	#5
K15 Member Join Date: Nov 2005	What they all said, same reason why you wouldn't want to buy an AGP motherboard now. IDE is very old (from 1990, maybe before). Granted the speeds have gotten much faster since back then (original speed was 33mb/s I think). Also easier to RAID with SATA, if you ever decide to. __________________ <CPU>AMD A64 3700+ 2.2ghz San Diego \| <Motherboard>Asus A8N5X \| <Case>Cooler Master Centurion 530 \| <PSU>Antec TPll 380 watt \| <Hard drive>Seagate 7200.9 SATA2 160GB \| <RAM>1GB Kingmax DDR400 PC3200 \| <Video card>Cheap ATI X300 PCI E16 (save money)
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 02:47 AM	#6
Enablingwolf Senior Member overclocking at the speed of plaid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Strongsville	Sata also runs on its own channel. Most IDE typically share on one cable. __________________ No one ever expects Aloysius Snuffleupagus
	QUOTE Thanks

Why Sata over IDE?

Internet Services

Website Development

Tech Hardware

12-09-05, 04:55 AM	#7
Know Nuttin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada	SATA also allows for a much longer cable in accordance with specifications, than IDE does. So you can put the hard disk just about anywhere in the case and not worry about signal integrity or strength, or relying on CRC to correct any data transmission errors. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 965BE, Asus M5A88-V Evo, 8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 , Coolermaster Hyper212+, OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB, Seagate 7200.11 500GB, Antec EA-380 Lenovo X200, P8400 C2D, 8GB, 120GB OCZ Vertex 3.
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 05:11 AM	#8
Albaholic Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oahu, Hawaii	just the ease of wiring should be reason enough to go sata. Unless you already have Pata drives i see no reason to get them over sata __________________ Heat
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 09:36 AM	#10
deathman20 High Speed Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where the Cheese Heads Live	SATA period Some cases its cheaper then IDE drives, and at most a few dollars more (like 1-2 more). Added bonus is with the smaller cables, and better management with them. Using these comes improved case airflow with the drives since we'll your not dealing with a thick round cable or a flat ribbon cable. Theres definatly not a reason not to go with them. __________________ -=The Gamer=- MSI Z68A-GD65 (G3) \| i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz \| 1.3875V \| 28C Idle / 65C Load (LinX) 8Gig G.Skill Ripjaw PC3-12800 9-9-9-24 @ 1600Mhz w/ 1.5V \| TR Ultra eXtreme 120 w/ 2 Fans Sapphire 7950 VaporX 1150/1500 w/ 1.2V/1.5V \| 32C Idle / 64C Load \| 2x 128Gig Crucial M4 SSD's BitFenix Shinobi Window Case \| SilverStone DA750 \| Dell 2405FPW 24" Screen -=The Server=- Synology DS1511+ \| Dual Core 1.8Ghz CPU \| 30C Idle / 38C Load 3 Gig PC2-6400 \| 3x Samsung F4 2TB Raid5 \| 2x Samsung F4 2TB Heat
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 11:17 AM	#11
Sleepy_Steve Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VT... or MD	WHY!?!? cause its newer, cooler, offers the new bigger drives, with more cache, and most importantly - has the potential to be a bit faster. __________________ CPU i7-2600 Cooling CM 212+ w/ 2 fans RAM 4x4gb G.Skill DDR3 1333 Video 9800GT & 8600GT Storage 1TB Raid0 system & 2TB storage HEAT
	QUOTE Thanks

12-09-05, 11:25 AM	#12
avalanche83 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: flevoland	It is alot faster. My Raptor takes like one passsing on the windows bar to load if that. Games load super quick and seed times are crazy. It really is worth it.
	QUOTE Thanks

12-11-05, 01:23 PM	#13
Yakbak Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada	Also, you can hotplug SATA drives, which saves you a reboot if installing an additional HD for data storage. __________________ Heatware
	QUOTE Thanks

12-11-05, 01:36 PM	#15
tom10167 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix. YOUR HAIR IS GOOD TO EAT	I guess using an infinitely better power cable is a good reason too. Molex = suck __________________ I7 920/4890/Raid0 x-25m/ 3008wfp + 23" lcd/blah/blah/blah It's 2010 I think we can definitely* remove all 56k warnings from thread titles* Please stop saying fleabay, worst buy, etc. :)
	QUOTE Thanks

12-11-05, 01:58 PM	#16
SuperFarStucker Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle, WA	There isn't really any legitimate reason other than IDE is legacy. I have two sata drives and two pata drives in my machine, the performance is as good as the same. The compact cable is nice but when you got a million others in your machine you tend to not really care. I've never had any problems with molex connectors but the sata ones do seem a little nicer. There isn't any reason not too, because the costs are identical in most cases. I just picked up some pata drives on the cheap (30 USD AR) so I couldn't complain.
	QUOTE Thanks

12-11-05, 09:08 PM	#19
jcw122 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA	I can think of why I would not want SATA over IDE: -possibly less overhead towards one SATA controller w/ multiple drives -0...yes zero, advantage of SPEED when using 7200RPM or slower drives -not enough plugs (in case u have alot of drives? I'm buying an IDE drive as a backup drive soon. __________________ "YES! I AM INVINCIBLE!!!" Folding for Team 32! Gaming Nick: new_Faction64 or CharminULTRA CPU-AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2.0Ghz@2.2Ghz (was 2.4) Socket 754, VENICE Memory-Crucial Ballistix 2x512MB @ 220mhz 2.5-2-2-5 Motherboard-No Idea My DFI Died Video Card-MSI ATI 9800XT---412/390(was 424/395)---w00t! Flashed PSU-Forton Blue Storm 500w Currently Air Cooled w/ Scythe Ninja and AC VGA Silencer R.I.P. Project: Humidity Heatware
	QUOTE Thanks

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search