[bryan_d]

Just a heads up to those that do not know.

I am sure everyone knows not to consume your coolant but pay attention to your pets! It can take only one teaspoon to kill your dog and far less for a cat. I had the misfortune of having a leaking resevoir that I had to drain quickly only to return to a huge puddle of coolant right beside my cat. Cats and dogs WILL lick the coolant because Ethyl Glycol smells sweet and they will drink it readily. What is even worse is that you will not know your pets have consumed this substance until it is too late. So basically if you see your pets acting drunk or stumbling about, the damage is already irreversible.

For more info check out this site:
http://www.petplace.com/cats/ethylen...ats/page1.aspx

I know many of you will say, "I leak check my system to make sure I do not have leaks", but so did I. 48Hrs of leaktesting to be exact. I was lucky enough that I got my cats to the clinic in time.

No more watercooling for me

Bryan d

[custom90gt]

man that sucks, I'm just glad your cats are ok.

[dominick32]

Man,
I am really sorry to hear about this. A familiar thing happened to my girlfriend a few years ago. Her father left an open bucket of coolant in the garage, and the door wide open. Their cat smelled the coolant and drank a decent amount of it, only to seizure later on that night. It was a terrible accident, as well as your own. I am very sorry about this bro but glad that the cat made it out ok.

Dom

[SStrokerAce]

Yeah... you might want to look at EvansCooling.com if you want a alternative to this.

[Maviryk]

No more kitty!!!

[Electron Chaser]

I am glad to hear your pets are OK. You could think about changing coolant before you throw in the towel.

[Aidenswarrior]

if you get the "pet safe" antifreeze, it doesnt smell sweet to them and isnt as harmful. that is the **** i use as a just in case. you always could just not use antifreeze and just use something else.

[ƒÓÒl]

RV antifreeze (for an RV's watersystem) is the safest, being made for drinking water systems using Food Grade propylene glycol. The "pet safe" stuff is not food grade PG, but is considered safe.
The drawback is that the corrosion inhibitors are meant to be flushed out yearly and replenished, so no long term system running with this stuff...

[Amarkarian]

yo grats on saving your cat, if my dog died i wouldnt now what to do

[nicoliani]

You don't have to go that far as not to water cool because of Ethylene Glycol. Besides you don't need that poison or any other poison coolant in your system.
Distilled water is OK to use without anything else.
Check my post on this on a other thread. I gave up Ethylene Glycol because of health matter.

Originally Posted by MoreGooder

Huh? Oil and water don't mix. Now, I wonder how this combo works? Please elaborate, and most especially on the health issues you refer to.

Thanks,
MG

About my health I can tell, using distilled water and ethylene glycol 20%. I removed my fans so the water temp gets pretty high. I now use only a small external aluminum water tank.
So I started to have problems with my eye's, they started to itch and get red. Next I started to have stomach aches and muscles started to hurt in my legs. Next I ran for the toilet every time I started the computer. What I'm saying in this is that the ethylene fumes forced me to go an pee, and also that hurt allot.

I looked up everything about ethylene glycol and found this things happening to me described. It attacks kidney, brain, tissue, liver, blood-vessel and many other things.
You will wonder now, yes occurs if you drink it this will happened, and also drinking 100 ml will get your life.
But there is the fumes that we find irrelevant but they are relevant. And they easily get out of the system, wondering that small things like atoms you can not seal how much you try, and this fumes will cause this to you. The more temp there is in your loop the more affected you will get.

So as I said I use olive oil and water. The oil I use for grease my system, and it does it very well without me getting poisoned.

[bryan_d]

Originally Posted by Maviryk

No more kitty!!!

No no,

My cats are still here but I still feel horrible for what had happened and just wanted to spread the word so other cats and owners do not have to go through the same ordeal as I.

I will look into the "pet safe" additives but right now I am getting out of the game because my girlfriend and I had to drop a great of money for these two guys. It was in the excess of $1,500.00 to get them treated. So if anyone wants to know, the antidote is roughly $600.00 a bottle.



Thanks for the reponses guys,
Bryan d

[jcw122]

I'd say someone make this a

STICKY

because if it's true that many people use Ethyl Glycol, it should be something to put in the stickies as an important precaution.

[Evil_Eye]

/\

I second sticky.

[xdkimx]

after filling my w/c system with prestone's eth glycol antifreeze, i got some on a cut i had on my hand and it felt sore for 3 days or so lol

[Herr Rogers]

STICKY. I'm sure most of us would agree that we would rather have our pets than a good computer.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

AGREED STICKY
saftey should be as important as any OC

[Maviryk]

Sticky! I love kitties. Good to hear they're ok!

I wanna get one... as soon as I move in to my new apartment...

But yea, sticky, and more kitties!

[Nathan0490]

rgr I agree on a STICKY too.

btw that cat is awesome

[bryan_d]

Thanks guys,

I just found more info from www.care2.com:

"The toxic element in traditional antifreeze is ethylene glycol. The new kind of antifreeze contains not ethylene glycol, but propylene glycol, which is somewhat safer. In fact, propylene glycol is found in pet foods, cosmetics, and over-the-counter preparations."

Hopefully others hear the word,
Bryan d

[nachosyumm]

Hmmmm, that would explain why i felt weird after sucking out the coolant in the bottom of my loop.

Thanks for the heads up. I think ill use an alternative to it when i rebuild my computer over easter break. My only pet is a bird who is deadly afraid of even going near my computer, but I would rather be safe then sorry.

[JEmlay]

Wow, thank God they're ok. I would have never thought twice about them ever licking it up.

I had a pet die from eating poison from someone elses yard. It took a long time to get over it...... or did I get over it???

Anyway, I'm new to the WC game and am looking at a Exos-2. Shut up about cost!!!!

So before I actualy buy it and use it what does Koolance use in thier "coolant"? Is it harmful?

Koolance Coolant

[DvBoard]

glad to hear the kitty is ok. definattly somethign for those with pets to worry about.

[wa77ss]

STICKY

I was worried in the beginning, but a happy ending though. Cool cat !!! LoL.

[Amarkarian]

Stick eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[bryan_d]

Originally Posted by JEmlay

So before I actualy buy it and use it what does Koolance use in thier "coolant"? Is it harmful?

Koolance Coolant

Sorry about your loss JEmlay... but unfortunetly, the Koolance liquid is not pet safe.

"70% distilled water
27-28% monoethylene glycol (anti-freeze)"

If you can find, SIERRA brand coolant, it contains pet safe additives.

And for those that asked

[Jeff Moser]

Thats why I use onlyTHIS in all my systems.

[z0n3]

I've probably injested a few oz of the stuff over the last few years. I never would have thought so small an amount could kill a cat or dog. Thanks for the info. I was keeping my extra coolent at the foot of my bed. Well not anymore. Does anyone know of a safe way to dump this stuff? I don't think it is safe to have it in my house now.

[bryan_d]

Originally Posted by z0n3

I've probably injested a few oz of the stuff over the last few years. I never would have thought so small an amount could kill a cat or dog. Thanks for the info. I was keeping my extra coolent at the foot of my bed. Well not anymore. Does anyone know of a safe way to dump this stuff? I don't think it is safe to have it in my house now.

Hit up your local autoparts store for more info. I know in my city we can get milk bottles and put used auto oil in them for garbage men to take away.

This is from www.greentruck.com:
"Used Antifreeze Disposal

If you do not reclaim/recycle your used antifreeze at your facility, it may be recycled offsite by an EPA-approved facility. If it is hazardous waste (because of its lead content), you must transport it by using a transporter with an EPA identification number and prepare it for transport appropriately. Used antifreeze that is mixed with other fluids must be characterized to determine if it is hazardous waste, and disposed of accordingly. Nonhazardous used antifreeze also may be disposed at a landfill that is authorized to accept used antifreeze. Many landfills have a tank designated for used antifreeze disposal. Used antifreeze may not be dumped with regular trash, poured into the sewer, or poured onto the ground.
Do's and Don'ts for Antifreeze Disposal

DO. . .Keep used antifreeze in a covered container and out of the way of animals, who are often attracted to its sweet flavor. Be sure your recycled antifreeze meets manufacturers' warranties for the vehicle you are servicing. As described above, recycle antifreeze by purchasing or leasing onsite recycling equipment; or using an offsite recycling service. Handle filters and other recycling by-products as hazardous waste.

DO NOT pour antifreeze into sewers, on the ground, or into floor drains, or mix used antifreeze with any other waste. Keep it separate.

DO NOT collect antifreeze in containers that have been used to hold other substances (e.g., gasoline) unless the containers have been thoroughly cleaned. Antifreeze can leach substances from the walls of a container.
For Additional information

Call the RCRA Hotline at 1-800-424-9346 for information on determining if your antifreeze is hazardous. "

[PWatterson]

I vote sticky. Safety..for anyone.. is the most important thing. Glad to hear your cat(s) came through it ok though.

[Romulox]

Originally Posted by z0n3

I've probably injested a few oz of the stuff over the last few years. I never would have thought so small an amount could kill a cat or dog. Thanks for the info. I was keeping my extra coolent at the foot of my bed. Well not anymore. Does anyone know of a safe way to dump this stuff? I don't think it is safe to have it in my house now.

Don't drink any more of it because its a reproductive hazard.
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/ET/ethylene_glycol.html
I had to look up info about this for chem class and I always use this site to find info about chemicals.
http://www.physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/#CASnumbers
But its helpful if you know the cas number of the chemical.

propylene glycol is a food preservative.
Its kinda of funny that just one methyl group makes this stuff edible.