[LeAd_Poisoning]

7900GT or X1900XT?

which has better performance and overclockability?

i also heard the image quality is better on newer ATi's than nVidia counterparts?

[Alchemy1]

There is a good bit of discussion on this topic in the link below and there are quite a few other discussions you can find if you search the forum.

I have owned both and personally I would take the x1900xt if you can deal with...the heat output, cost, and power consumption.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=460064

[Special7]

You can easily OC the 7900GT past GTX speeds, 7900GT FTW.

[Rattle]

x1900xt hands down

the 7900gt is just a faster 7800, I am breaking 13k easily in 05, all stock cooling with a x1900xt and the image quality is way better

[Fronic]

Originally Posted by Rattle

x1900xt hands down

the 7900gt is just a faster 7800, I am breaking 13k easily in 05, all stock cooling with a x1900xt and the image quality is way better

The 7900GT is a slower 7900GTX (G71 core), it has very little in common with the 7800GT... The 7600GT on the other hand is a die shrunk 7800GT (G73 core) designed ground up with less pipelines.

I'd be interested in seeing the differences in image quiality. What games do you have, I'd be willing to take some screens for comparisons.

[Fronic]

Originally Posted by Special7

You can easily OC the 7900GT past GTX speeds, 7900GT FTW.

Are you still using the stock cooler on your KO?

[Special7]

Originally Posted by Fronic

Are you still using the stock cooler on your KO?

Yeah thats why I only went with the 1.3v mod, I am pretty happy where I am for right now though card kicks some major butt.

[Rattle]

Originally Posted by Fronic

The 7900GT is a slower 7900GTX (G71 core), it has very little in common with the 7800GT... The 7600GT on the other hand is a die shrunk 7800GT (G73 core) designed ground up with less pipelines.

I'd be interested in seeing the differences in image quiality. What games do you have, I'd be willing to take some screens for comparisons.

you cant compare with screen shots, you need to see rig to rig in person to really compare and I have. A 7900gt is a 7800 die shrink with better memory and thats where the differences end my friend, I loved my 6800gt and wouldnt touch a x800/x850 for free but I am sorry x1800/x1900 is way better than the 7800/7900's

[Alchemy1]

The IQ of the x1900xt is head and shoulders above that of the 7900GT. The first game I played after getting my x1900xt was Oblivion and it was like a completely new game.

[Fronic]

Originally Posted by Rattle

you cant compare with screen shots, you need to see rig to rig in person to really compare and I have. A 7900gt is a 7800 die shrink with better memory and thats where the differences end my friend, I loved my 6800gt and wouldnt touch a x800/x850 for free but I am sorry x1800/x1900 is way better than the 7800/7900's

Forgot to check my facts, you're right about the die shrink and memory.

Regarding image quality, screenshots can tell all. You're taking a 2d representation of a 3d image. I can easily tell the difference between my 7900GT and my 9700np

[Alchemy1]

You can't see things like shimmering in a still though. The worst my 7900GT got the more I started to notice shimmering in FEAR, but as soon as I would stop moving it would disappear.

[Tipycol]

In all the forums I read, people say that ATi's x1*00 cards have much better IQ than the 7*00 series so I believe it even though I've never compared them myself. Also in benches, the x1900xt and 7900gt are usually very close at 1280x1024, but increase the resolution or turn on the 4xAA/16xAF, the x1900xt is almost always on top (think it loses in Q4 or something like that). Guess it's all those pixel shaders.
Now whether is that worth the extra $150 or so is up to you.

[DareDevil_747]

I don't know about IQ - but I wanted to add that whoever is telling you that ATi's have better "image quality" is wrong. I don't know which card will produce better image quality, and I don't care, and neither should you, because if there is a difference, we would have to be superhuman to notice it. I think by "image quality" they mean that the ATi's PERFORM a lot better with the image quality settings turned up (AA and AF) than the nvidia's do.
Oh yeah, you shouldn't compare a 7900GT with a x1900xt - the x1900xt will outperform the 7900GTX in the majority of the games out there! I also have a x1900xt on its way , should be here day after tomorrow

EDIT: Here's some proof about my statement on the x1900 beating the 7900GTX... You can see they run neck and neck in most games, till the AA gets turned on at high resolutions, then the GTX starts falling behind...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=6

[Special7]

Originally Posted by DareDevil_747

I don't know about IQ - but I wanted to add that whoever is telling you that ATi's have better "image quality" is wrong. I don't know which card will produce better image quality, and I don't care, and neither should you, because if there is a difference, we would have to be superhuman to notice it. I think by "image quality" they mean that the ATi's PERFORM a lot better with the image quality settings turned up (AA and AF) than the nvidia's do.
Oh yeah, you shouldn't compare a 7900GT with a x1900xt - the x1900xt will outperform the 7900GTX in the majority of the games out there! I also have a x1900xt on its way , should be here day after tomorrow

EDIT: Here's some proof about my statement on the x1900 beating the 7900GTX... You can see they run neck and neck in most games, till the AA gets turned on at high resolutions, then the GTX starts falling behind...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=6

Well nVidia really handicapped the 7900 cards as they are starved for memory bandwidth, if they had the ram running at 1GHz GTX's would wipe the floor with the X1900 series. How do I know this? take my 7900GT for example my 7900GT gives the best results when memory is overclocked verses a high core clock.

[ScottinIndy]

Count me as another that just does not buy into the Ati or Nvidia have better image quality argument, In our house we have 3 computers, Mine has a 78gt, My wifes has a 68gt and my sis in law has a x800gto, I honestly don't notice much if any difference in any of them. I guess I just must not pay attention to small details when playing games.
Also the Ati/Nvidia image quality argument goes back as long as I can remember, It isn't limited to the newer generation of cards.
In the end I think all the cards used in this house have outstanding I.Q., That is why whenever I look for video cards I look for the best bang for buck and could care less whether it is Ati or Nvidia.

[beavismorpheus]

I just sold my 7900gt for an x1900xt. It comes tommorow. Ill let you know if it was worth it.

[Tipycol]

Originally Posted by DareDevil_747

I don't know about IQ - but I wanted to add that whoever is telling you that ATi's have better "image quality" is wrong. I don't know which card will produce better image quality, and I don't care, and neither should you, because if there is a difference, we would have to be superhuman to notice it. I think by "image quality" they mean that the ATi's PERFORM a lot better with the image quality settings turned up (AA and AF) than the nvidia's do.
Oh yeah, you shouldn't compare a 7900GT with a x1900xt - the x1900xt will outperform the 7900GTX in the majority of the games out there! I also have a x1900xt on its way , should be here day after tomorrow

EDIT: Here's some proof about my statement on the x1900 beating the 7900GTX... You can see they run neck and neck in most games, till the AA gets turned on at high resolutions, then the GTX starts falling behind...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=6

Originally Posted by ScottinIndy

Count me as another that just does not buy into the Ati or Nvidia have better image quality argument, In our house we have 3 computers, Mine has a 78gt, My wifes has a 68gt and my sis in law has a x800gto, I honestly don't notice much if any difference in any of them. I guess I just must not pay attention to small details when playing games.
Also the Ati/Nvidia image quality argument goes back as long as I can remember, It isn't limited to the newer generation of cards.
In the end I think all the cards used in this house have outstanding I.Q., That is why whenever I look for video cards I look for the best bang for buck and could care less whether it is Ati or Nvidia.

Well I've read the IQ statements (not regarding perf) in so many places for the x1*00s and 7*00s that they all can't be seeing placebo effects (to me at least).

IQ isn't really an important factor nowadays, we more or less focus on the perf crowns. I remember when the 9700 had the best IQ and the 5*00 series with 2AA (or was it 4AA) looked like the 9700 with none. nVidia finally got its act together with the 6*00s.

With that said, I always think it's better to go for the best bang for the buck card (my upgrade path: used 8500le -> used ti4600 -> unlockable 6800 -> 7800gt).
But if LeAd_Poisoning is trying to get some more power to his new widescreen monitor or something, the x1900xt would be better for it.

[LeAd_Poisoning]

if i can afford an X1900XT i will get one, id prefer the better FPS at higher graphical settings. I also like the idea of being able to change the ATi's voltages with software such as ATiTool rather than having to volt mod or alter the BIOS as you would with the nVidia's, if you screw it up, your buggered basically, very hard to fix, if you can. Ive also seen people get as high as 12000+ on 3dMark05 with the ATi versus 9500 with the 7900GT. If i have to cheap out, i might go for the 7900GT

[Dan0512]

I say go for the x1900xt. Better quality, and IQ. If you look around in the cayber deals, you'll find an x1900xt for$400 or less.

dan

[Alchemy1]

The 7900GT is not a bad card and a good choice if you are on a budget. The only problem I can see going with the 7900GT is that there still seem to be some issues here and there with the 7900GT/X cards. The x1900xt is a great card for many reasons, but is not without faults itself. It draws a fair ammount of power and runs fairly warm.

I have said it once and I will say it again I like my x1900xt and would not go back to a 7900GT, especially with the spotty problems they are having. Also, take into account that I only paid $359 for my x1900xt.