Vista = Crippleware?

c627627 · 10-05-06, 06:40 PM

Did you guys see this on the front page today?

Vista = Crippleware? According to the New York Times, Microsoft will crack down on illegal copies of Vista by incorporating features to disable parts of Vista. If the user does not legalize Vista within 30 days, it will be further crippled, including limiting access to the internet to one hour/day.

I have no problem with Microsoft cracking down on piracy, but I can imagine all sorts of problems with this feature early on.

Did they forget to link to actual article talking about the kinds of problems that can be imagined happening?

Were we supposed to guess what was imagined?

dicecca112 · 10-05-06, 07:15 PM

no maybe ed was lazy and decided not to elaborate. Its just gonna be the same old s**t different OS.

prankstar008 · 10-05-06, 07:40 PM

http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=4471

hitbyaprkedcar7 · 10-05-06, 08:33 PM

This is B.S. How much money does microsoft have? How much more money does microsoft NEED? Its not like they already have a MONOPOLY or anything... Not like they have GUARENTEED sales to tons and tons of buisnesses and schools. Yes i know its there software, and i know they have the right to do this, but i seriously think this is crossing the line. Maybe if peopel didnt have to pay such redicilously high prices for an OS, more people would buy them. And i highly highly doubt 35% of Microsoft users are using pirated copies of windows.

dicecca112 · 10-05-06, 08:40 PM

well if you own a legit copy who cares?

dippy_skoodlez · 10-05-06, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dicecca112

well if you own a legit copy who cares?

If the text is correct--

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If the user does not legalize Vista within 30 days

It doesn't actualyl change anything.

Current windows is activate in 30 days or it stops working too.

Or is this every 30 days?

Unless they change it to every 30 days, nothin will change. Pirated vista will still remain activation hacked, and continue to function perfectly.

Just like XP. Heck, even with it changed to 30 days, thats an easy work around, really..

Neuromancer · 10-05-06, 09:04 PM

I agree with dippy the pirates are still going to be able to pirate it. Just will keep some of the dumber people from stealing is all.

As for me.. I have yet to have a problem with my windows activation that a call to microsoft didnt fix... so I think this is really only going to be an issue for pirated copies.

DvBoard · 10-05-06, 09:35 PM

Pirates will just use a cracked version and "Normal" people will be the one's having to go through the security.

I'm half tempted to buy Vista, but use a cracked version so i won't be bothered with the security BS they try to add.

Hipcrostino · 10-05-06, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dippy_skoodlez

Current windows is activate in 30 days or it stops working too.

not true. i have a copy of windows that has been an "evaluation" copy for over a year. (though im not saying how).

seems like this system would prevent such happenings.

I also legitimatly own my copy of windows, im just against windows activation.

dicecca112 · 10-05-06, 10:01 PM

Windows XP locks after 30 days

thaclassikz · 10-05-06, 10:07 PM

Get a linux

tenchi86 · 10-05-06, 10:16 PM

Sure some pirates will get Vista no problem, but it can take time to crack and it still stops a lot of people who really are not sure how to go about that type of thing. If they had no security then it's easy to say that there would be a lot more people using illegal copies. Anyway I don't see a huge problem with this, they give you 30 days plus after that all you have to do is restart your PC every 1 hour.

Audioaficionado · 10-05-06, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dicecca112

Windows XP locks after 30 days

Yeah tell me about it

I had to rescue some poor guy when the supposed expert who installed XP for him also neglected to activate it for him. Once it was locked up I couldn't even activate it from safe mode. I ended up reformatting his disk and split it into two 40gig partitions. The expert just had it all on one big 80gig partition. Once it was newly installed, I had to activate by phone. A hassle but now he is happy with a fresh new install of XP to screw up so I can fix it again for him later

I don't know why everyone keeps whining about how rich Microsoft/Bill Gates is and why they should just give Windows away to us poor cheapskates. If you don't like the price, just keep using XP/W2k or switch to another OS like Linux

At least Vista won't hard lock you out like XP does.

damarble · 10-05-06, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dicecca112

well if you own a legit copy who cares?

Agreed. Heck, this is better than the old activation process, because at least it's partially usable now. I'd just like to be able to activate over the internet again instead of the phone BS every time. If they don't pull that crap again I'll be happy.

dippy_skoodlez · 10-06-06, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tenchi86

Sure some pirates will get Vista no problem, but it can take time to crack and it still stops a lot of people who really are not sure how to go about that type of thing. If they had no security then it's easy to say that there would be a lot more people using illegal copies. Anyway I don't see a huge problem with this, they give you 30 days plus after that all you have to do is restart your PC every 1 hour.

Problem is, same thing that happened for XP will occur. The pirates will hack the activation out, and make it automated, if necessary.

You wouldn't BELIEVE some of the really cool, illegal tools that are available.. They are amazing.

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Originally Posted by Hipcrostino

not true. i have a copy of windows that has been an "evaluation" copy for over a year. (though im not saying how).

seems like this system would prevent such happenings.

I also legitimatly own my copy of windows, im just against windows activation.

Well ofocurse its not if you reset the clock

(activation clock, not windows clock)

tenchi86 · 10-06-06, 10:34 PM

I would believe them as I have seen a lot. Trust me though when I say that even with how easy it is to get around the activation system does stop a lot of people from pirating. If there was not a security system then people who hardly even knew how to use a computer would start to copy Windows, kind of like what happened a few years ago when CD burners came out and games really had no security to prevent burning. I am not saying it's a perfect system, but a system like it does need to be in effect and if you ask me this one is a bit to soft on the users.

Niku-Sama · 10-07-06, 03:29 AM

you know, the way they do the activation in xp is bull **** any way. i got fed up installing new hardware and having it tell me its a different computer when i add a dvd burner or osmething, once is enough. i just cracked the activator to be done with it.

my copy of xp is only on one computer any way so who cares?
and this microsoft anti piracy software is a joke, it asks me to install it every time, EVEN WHEN I INSTALL IT it still asks. so what ever, havent updates in months but no problems either.

i'm gonna stay way from this one, the required space is out of hand, was out of hand in xp aswell but i can live with it in xp, not vista...i smell another ME any way

Alien1099 · 10-07-06, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hitbyaprkedcar7

This is B.S. How much money does microsoft have? How much more money does microsoft NEED? Its not like they already have a MONOPOLY or anything... Not like they have GUARENTEED sales to tons and tons of buisnesses and schools. Yes i know its there software, and i know they have the right to do this, but i seriously think this is crossing the line. Maybe if peopel didnt have to pay such redicilously high prices for an OS, more people would buy them. And i highly highly doubt 35% of Microsoft users are using pirated copies of windows.

You sound like a filthy commie!

Seriously, nothing in life is free. If you want to use their product, buy it. Otherwise, stick with XP. How much money do people on this site spend on hardware and cooling components? I saw somebody selling a $500 copper tube in the classifieds for dry ice OCing. That is only to overclock your computer for a short time! $150-$200 for the OS is a drop in the bucket compared to how much many people on this site spend on their computers.

dippy_skoodlez · 10-07-06, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alien1099

That is only to overclock your computer for a short time! $150-$200 for the OS is a drop in the bucket compared to how much many people on this site spend on their computers.

Then you can factor in the other 90% of the population where $200-$300 is the WHOLE COMPUTER.

Abominable1 · 10-07-06, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dippy_skoodlez

Then you can factor in the other 90% of the population where $200-$300 is the WHOLE COMPUTER.

You PINGED it.

Not everyone realizes that 10% or less of all computer users are overclockers and the average joe computer user has never heard of overclocking or forums like this.

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Neuromancer Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tau'ri	I agree with dippy the pirates are still going to be able to pirate it. Just will keep some of the dumber people from stealing is all. As for me.. I have yet to have a problem with my windows activation that a call to microsoft didnt fix... so I think this is really only going to be an issue for pirated copies.
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DvBoard Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mars	Pirates will just use a cracked version and "Normal" people will be the one's having to go through the security. I'm half tempted to buy Vista, but use a cracked version so i won't be bothered with the security BS they try to add. __________________ Dead CPU:Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) 2400MHz with the 533MHz Bus Speed.; Mobo:First International Computer, Inc. (FIC) Motherboard, model: VI13, Chipset: Sis645DX, BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 6.00PG; GPU:ATi Radeon 9000Pro (128MB) Video card (4x AGP); RAM:1 stick 512MB PC2700 (166MHz) Xerox RAM; 1 stick 512MB PC3200 (200MHz) Corsair RAM; HD's:WD 250 Gig HD (x2); Optical:Lite-On DVD+/-RW, DVD-Rom; PSU:Antec SL400; OS:Windows XP Current Rig CPU:E6600; Mobo:Asus P5B Deluxe; GPU:ATi Radeon HD 4870 w/1GB GDDR5 (PCI Express); RAM: (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 DDR2 Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400PRO & (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 DDR2 Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400; HD's:(2x 320GB) Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA Drive & (2x 500GB) Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 SATA Drive & (2x 250GB) WD IDE Drive; Optical: Lite-on SATA DVD +/- RW & Lite-on IDE DVD +/- RW; PSU:Corsair 520HX; OS:XP; Case:Thermaltake Armor;
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tenchi86 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Smoky Mountains, NC	I would believe them as I have seen a lot. Trust me though when I say that even with how easy it is to get around the activation system does stop a lot of people from pirating. If there was not a security system then people who hardly even knew how to use a computer would start to copy Windows, kind of like what happened a few years ago when CD burners came out and games really had no security to prevent burning. I am not saying it's a perfect system, but a system like it does need to be in effect and if you ask me this one is a bit to soft on the users. __________________ "Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why." -Bernard Mannes Baruch Mobo: MSI Neo2-V CPU: 2.8a Prescott @ 3.2 PSU: Blue Storm 500 Watt GPU: Geforce 6600GT HS: Zalman 7000 Ram: Kingston HyperX 1024mb 3200
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