cheap gameing system for a friend

fireandice · 10-31-06, 02:58 PM

Ok my buddy is trying to get a very cheap gameing system. About the most he can spend is $200. He needs a CPU and a Mobo.

how does this system sound?

pen D 805
ASRock 775Dual-VSTA
1gig pc3200 "have"
100gig hd "have"
geforce 6800ultra agp "have"
FSP 450watt psu "have"
Case "have"
Fans "have"

could he use the DDR with the pen d since it has the ddr slots?

Could he oc it some?

Would it be a over all deacent budget system?

Sorry dont know why it made two threads.

jtjuska · 10-31-06, 03:20 PM

I will drop in and say my experience with the 775Dual-VSTA as I have one running my E6600 for the moment. It works just fine with DDR memory (well.. at least my Mushkin lvl1's) and should have no problems with the Pentium D 805. As for overclocking I can't really say as the most I was able to crank out of it before it didn't like me was 300FSB with my C2D. I am not sure how it would do with the 805. I hope someone else can drop in here and give some more definitive advice. If you are just looking for a cheap board then the 775Dual-VSTA is a great board for that. I have been more than happy with mine.... now just to get my P5B dlx

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~jtjuska

fireandice · 10-31-06, 03:22 PM

so for around $160 it should be a deacent system?

jtjuska · 10-31-06, 03:25 PM

I would say so. It will be able to handle any game out now and for a while. If he finds more money later you could always drop a C2D in it later or even some DDR2 ram (taking out the DDR at that time of course) and get some nice performance boosts out of it. I really like that its as versitile of a board as it is. Thats my .02c

~jtjuska

fireandice · 10-31-06, 03:39 PM

ok cool thats what he planned on doing. riht now hes got a oc'd sempron 2500+@2.2ghz socket 754. he wants somthing he can driop in a better cpu and memory later on then switch to pcie

jtjuska · 10-31-06, 03:43 PM

The ASRock 775Dual-VSTA is certainly a nice board for what $50 or so... I have no personal experience with the 805D's so I can't comment on it. But I know that my board will hit 300FSB but beyond that its a hard lock even trying to boot the system. Its weird to me though cause its a rock solid 300 just beyond it is a no go. Hope all this helps

~jtjuska

fireandice · 10-31-06, 03:49 PM

thanks

hUMANbEATbOX · 10-31-06, 03:52 PM

with that board and a 805, 200fsb would give you 4ghz. now, i'm not sure if that mobo will do it, the power draw of an 805 at 4ghz is gonna be pretty high. still, 3.6ghz should be a good goal, and would run games real nice.

fireandice · 10-31-06, 03:58 PM

so would the memory run at 400mhz even at stock clocks? im not shure how intels work lol. im a amd guy.

MadMan007 · 10-31-06, 04:15 PM

For a strict budget that looks like a good way to go.

For the memory, it will normally run at FSB speed. Depending on how you count it with the silly ways DDR is marketed '400MHz DDR/PC3200' would be at stock speed on a 200MHz FSB. The motherboard may have memory ratios allowing you to run the memory faster than FSB, sometimes this works well sometimes not you can run a few benchmarks to find out.

fireandice · 10-31-06, 04:17 PM

ok cool so like amd he can jack the fsb upto 300 oc the 805 and run the mem at 200mhz/400mhz on a davider

hUMANbEATbOX · 10-31-06, 04:22 PM

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ok cool so like amd he can jack the fsb upto 300 oc the 805 and run the mem at 200mhz/400mhz on a davider

there is no way you are going to get anywhere near 300fsb. the 805 is a 133fsb part, 133*20=2660mhz. with a fsb of 200, you get 200*20=4000mhz. 300*20=6000mhz, not a chance of that happening.

fireandice · 10-31-06, 04:26 PM

lol i ment 200.

so when gameing how much better will that system be over that oc'ed 2500+?

MadMan007 · 10-31-06, 04:29 PM

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ok cool so like amd he can jack the fsb upto 300 oc the 805 and run the mem at 200mhz/400mhz on a davider

Well, kind of, but the dividers aren't as fine-grained as on AMD motherboards and while there is usually an advantage to running the memory faster sometimes there are wierd timing issues that make it meaningless. That's why you'll have to benchmark it some.

Typical ratios are FSB:MEM, 5:4 (downclocks memory) 1:1, 4:5 and 2:3. Obviously if he can get a 200FSB he could just run 1:1 or try 4:5, 250MHz mem, if his memory is really good. If he can't get that high of an oc...say he gets around 180FSB, 4:5 would get 225MHz mem. It's not as independent of FSB or external CPU clock as on AMD systems so it all depends on what CPU oc he gets.

SeanBest · 10-31-06, 04:50 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103023

Not Intel but,

$99.99 with free motherboard, even has pci-e slots, could grab a decent $100 pci-e card, not a dual core cpu, but the pci-e slot would be nice, just an option.

fireandice · 10-31-06, 05:14 PM

hes gotta have a agp slot sincew hes got a nice card.

MadMan007 · 10-31-06, 05:16 PM

FYI you can sometimes catch an auction for new 805Ds on ebay for ~$70 shipped, or check the classifieds.

fireandice · 10-31-06, 06:07 PM

i dont think he would buy one off ebay. just incase anything happens and its doa he wants a place like newegg that has good service.

batboy · 10-31-06, 07:16 PM

A 915 is only like $20 more than the 805 and is a much better CPU.

hUMANbEATbOX · 10-31-06, 08:02 PM

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A 915 is only like $20 more than the 805 and is a much better CPU.

agree. this would be easier to hit 4ghz on for sure.

10-31-06, 02:58 PM	Thread Starter #1
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	cheap gameing system for a friend Ok my buddy is trying to get a very cheap gameing system. About the most he can spend is $200. He needs a CPU and a Mobo. how does this system sound? pen D 805 ASRock 775Dual-VSTA 1gig pc3200 "have" 100gig hd "have" geforce 6800ultra agp "have" FSP 450watt psu "have" Case "have" Fans "have" could he use the DDR with the pen d since it has the ddr slots? Could he oc it some? Would it be a over all deacent budget system? Sorry dont know why it made two threads. Last edited by fireandice; 10-31-06 at 03:05 PM.
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10-31-06, 03:20 PM	#2
jtjuska Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN	I will drop in and say my experience with the 775Dual-VSTA as I have one running my E6600 for the moment. It works just fine with DDR memory (well.. at least my Mushkin lvl1's) and should have no problems with the Pentium D 805. As for overclocking I can't really say as the most I was able to crank out of it before it didn't like me was 300FSB with my C2D. I am not sure how it would do with the 805. I hope someone else can drop in here and give some more definitive advice. If you are just looking for a cheap board then the 775Dual-VSTA is a great board for that. I have been more than happy with mine.... now just to get my P5B dlx . ~jtjuska __________________ Mountain Mods U2-UFO MCMicro -> DDC -> Apogee -> MCW30 -> PA120.3 Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2140 Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.86Ghz RETIRED Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P G.Skill DDR2800 2x2GB HIS HD3870 ICEQ3 WD Raptor WD740GD PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750w Heatware 9-0-0
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10-31-06, 03:22 PM	Thread Starter #3
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	so for around $160 it should be a deacent system?
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10-31-06, 03:25 PM	#4
jtjuska Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN	I would say so. It will be able to handle any game out now and for a while. If he finds more money later you could always drop a C2D in it later or even some DDR2 ram (taking out the DDR at that time of course) and get some nice performance boosts out of it. I really like that its as versitile of a board as it is. Thats my .02c ~jtjuska __________________ Mountain Mods U2-UFO MCMicro -> DDC -> Apogee -> MCW30 -> PA120.3 Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2140 Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.86Ghz RETIRED Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P G.Skill DDR2800 2x2GB HIS HD3870 ICEQ3 WD Raptor WD740GD PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750w Heatware 9-0-0
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10-31-06, 03:39 PM	Thread Starter #5
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	ok cool thats what he planned on doing. riht now hes got a oc'd sempron 2500+@2.2ghz socket 754. he wants somthing he can driop in a better cpu and memory later on then switch to pcie
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10-31-06, 03:43 PM	#6
jtjuska Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN	The ASRock 775Dual-VSTA is certainly a nice board for what $50 or so... I have no personal experience with the 805D's so I can't comment on it. But I know that my board will hit 300FSB but beyond that its a hard lock even trying to boot the system. Its weird to me though cause its a rock solid 300 just beyond it is a no go. Hope all this helps ~jtjuska __________________ Mountain Mods U2-UFO MCMicro -> DDC -> Apogee -> MCW30 -> PA120.3 Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2140 Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.86Ghz RETIRED Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P G.Skill DDR2800 2x2GB HIS HD3870 ICEQ3 WD Raptor WD740GD PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750w Heatware 9-0-0
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10-31-06, 03:49 PM	Thread Starter #7
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	thanks
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10-31-06, 03:52 PM	#8
hUMANbEATbOX Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: WINNIPEG REPRUHZENT!	with that board and a 805, 200fsb would give you 4ghz. now, i'm not sure if that mobo will do it, the power draw of an 805 at 4ghz is gonna be pretty high. still, 3.6ghz should be a good goal, and would run games real nice. __________________ i7 970 @ 4.2ghz - 1.275v 3x4gb 560ti and my baby Lucy <---- Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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10-31-06, 03:58 PM	Thread Starter #9
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	so would the memory run at 400mhz even at stock clocks? im not shure how intels work lol. im a amd guy.
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10-31-06, 04:15 PM	#10
MadMan007 Magical Leopluridon Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: in a magical field	For a strict budget that looks like a good way to go. For the memory, it will normally run at FSB speed. Depending on how you count it with the silly ways DDR is marketed '400MHz DDR/PC3200' would be at stock speed on a 200MHz FSB. The motherboard may have memory ratios allowing you to run the memory faster than FSB, sometimes this works well sometimes not you can run a few benchmarks to find out. __________________ There are three sides to any argument - side A, side B, and the Truth "This had better be frikkin' important. Is the meadow on fire?"
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10-31-06, 04:17 PM	Thread Starter #11
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	ok cool so like amd he can jack the fsb upto 300 oc the 805 and run the mem at 200mhz/400mhz on a davider
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10-31-06, 04:26 PM	Thread Starter #13
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	lol i ment 200. so when gameing how much better will that system be over that oc'ed 2500+?
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10-31-06, 04:50 PM	#15
SeanBest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Harrisonburg, VA	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103023 Not Intel but, $99.99 with free motherboard, even has pci-e slots, could grab a decent $100 pci-e card, not a dual core cpu, but the pci-e slot would be nice, just an option. __________________ HEAT Motherboard --------- BIOSTAR TPower I45 CPU ------------------- Intel E8600 @ 4GHz Memory -------------- 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066 Cooling --------------- Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme HDDs ----------------- Western Digital Velociraptor 300GB 10k RPM Graphics Card ------- MSI HD4870 OC Edition Soundcard ----------- Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer Case ------------------ Antec Nine Hundered Power Supply -------- OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W OS -------------------- Win 7 Pro x64, Mint Debian x64
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10-31-06, 05:14 PM	Thread Starter #16
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	hes gotta have a agp slot sincew hes got a nice card.
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10-31-06, 05:16 PM	#17
MadMan007 Magical Leopluridon Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: in a magical field	FYI you can sometimes catch an auction for new 805Ds on ebay for ~$70 shipped, or check the classifieds. __________________ There are three sides to any argument - side A, side B, and the Truth "This had better be frikkin' important. Is the meadow on fire?"
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10-31-06, 06:07 PM	Thread Starter #18
fireandice Member Join Date: Jun 2006	i dont think he would buy one off ebay. just incase anything happens and its doa he wants a place like newegg that has good service.
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10-31-06, 07:16 PM	#19
batboy Senior Moment Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas, USA	A 915 is only like $20 more than the 805 and is a much better CPU. __________________ 2600K, Asus P8P67 Deluxe, 2X2GB G.Skill Pi PC3-2133, PC & Cooling 750W watercooled: Eheim 1048 pump, Swiftech Apogee GTX and 2X120mm rad FS020 case, OCZ SSD, Sapphire HD 6950, Acer X241W 24" widescreen
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