Borgasm

satandole666 · 01-05-07, 10:59 AM

Maybe the title isn't a clever as I thought.

Since I joined up a little over a week ago I've been thinking of computers that I have access to. I tapped out my resources (Opty 165 and a 3000+) within a few hours so I started "borging" as you guys call it.

I mentioned in my other thread that I've claimed 3 P4s at work so far, with about 5-7 more to come. I thought that was all I had until...

I went to school today (Ohio State). As I entered the computer lab for class my eyes lit up. 76 computers in one room. All 2.8ghz HT P4s, 512mb ram. I can easily install it on all of them before the end of that class. Then I remember all of the public access labs, which have between a dozen and 50 or so computers in each lab. All with comparable stats. Total for the campus is well over 1000 (guesstimate) computers that I have access to, all running 24/7. They also have a few dozen of the new quad core Mac Pros.

Before I decide to embark on this journey I have a couple questions. I tried to install F@H on the comp I sat at today. It installed, config'd, and ran fine. I set it to service and restarted. It didn't start with Windows. I'm assuming installing startup services it is blocked by the administrator. Is there an easy way around this? Also, is it possible to set flags (-forceasm most importantly) to services? I use shortcuts for my comps and it isn't installed as a service.

So, should I do it? That's a TON of PPD for team 32 (and myself, but that's just a bonus). If I do it I'd like to copy the files to a pen drive, burn a CD, or something along those lines to streamline the installation process. A sort of cookie-cutter install.

seadave77 · 01-05-07, 11:03 AM

First question: Do you have permission?

satandole666 · 01-05-07, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by seadave77

First question: Do you have permission?

Not yet.

dz_jad · 01-05-07, 11:20 AM

Yah, might want to get that first....Stanford is liable, and so are you....so if they don't want it....not a good story.
So, yah....get permission (may be a struggle) then go from there

dropadrop · 01-05-07, 11:22 AM

Not even "might", you should definatly get permission. If you do, it could be great, and they would not be wiped out within a few days.

dz_jad · 01-05-07, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dropadrop

Not even "might", you should definatly get permission. If you do, it could be great, and they would not be wiped out within a few days.

yah...thats what I ment

plus, when you have permission, you can use the network installer, which is way easier than running around with 'stick in hand'.

satandole666 · 01-05-07, 11:36 AM

So how do I go about persuading the OSU IT department that F@H is a good thing for their network?

It doesn't provide them with any benefit that I can think of. If anything it might increase their electric bills. If I can find a good "pitch" I'll push forward with seeking permission. Maybe I can get the medical department to give it their seal of approval or something...

Just out of curiousity...what kind of ballpark PPD could we expect from 500 2.8ghz P4s?

ChasR · 01-05-07, 12:04 PM

56,000 ppd.

dz_jad · 01-05-07, 12:28 PM

The advantage really wouldnt be to them...it would be to the scientific community.
it would take a lot of work...many people here (including me) have gotten excited thinking about borging a large campus and such...but I just never followed through....told myself they would say no before I asked....so yeah.
Good luck if you go through with it!

seadave77 · 01-05-07, 12:49 PM

Got to have permission first. I know it's a hard sell because I've tried it, but if you don't have permisssion you risk long term damage to the project not just the team. There have already been reports of FAH coming up on virus scans because people have taken it upon themselves to borg without permisssion.

Best bet would be to start small for two reasons. First, it's easier to convince someone who is over a small set of computers. Tell him/her it is for scientific research run by Stanford and how it doesn't take away resources, etc. Second, when you ask someone else to use their computers you can point to the computers already running and say "These are folding and no one has complained yet." That will be a big help on top of the usual sales pitch.

If they ask about the cons, be honest with them. Yes your computers will use more electricity (not to much more if they are already on), and yes it will use more bandwidth. Those are usually the main concerns. The other big one I think of is the security threat. Stanford uses digitally signed workunits and encryption to prevent the client from running arbitrary code. I cannot recall an instance where this has happened either.

So with that said, good luck!

ihrsetrdr · 01-05-07, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by satandole666

So how do I go about persuading the OSU IT department that F@H is a good thing for their network?

You have an uphill battle there, my friend...the best o' luck to you.

dropadrop · 01-05-07, 02:38 PM

Start by thinking what department could use the "advertisement", and try to get permission to fold under the departments name.
Personally I would not let anyone fold under their name, as the request would directly come through as being very questionable. Alot of IT people have played around with seti or fah on their own, and would not dare to start borging the computers (even though they could be tempted).

So... If you have a medical department (or similar), present the idea in a well thought out way to the head of the department. Fold for team 32 (ofcourse), but under the universitys and departments name. We'll still treat you like a rock star here if you pull it off.

David · 01-05-07, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasR

56,000 ppd.

satandole666 · 01-05-07, 06:18 PM

Well I did apply for a minor in Biomedical Engineering a while back. I haven't had a chance to start it yet.

I'll try to build a contact list and see what I can dig up. 56000 PPD is VERY tempting.

How many PPD are the top folders in team 32 pulling?

dz_jad · 01-05-07, 07:25 PM

here, this stats site is really good.
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.c...ry.php?s=&t=32

marty9876 · 01-05-07, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasR

56,000 ppd.

Scary, you are actually right.

Mark620 · 01-05-07, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marty9876

Scary, you are actually right.

believe it or not ChasR knows quite a bit about folding...
20million+ points per year...I think that would be quite nice...

01-05-07, 10:59 AM	Thread Starter #1
satandole666 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH	Borgasm Maybe the title isn't a clever as I thought. Since I joined up a little over a week ago I've been thinking of computers that I have access to. I tapped out my resources (Opty 165 and a 3000+) within a few hours so I started "borging" as you guys call it. I mentioned in my other thread that I've claimed 3 P4s at work so far, with about 5-7 more to come. I thought that was all I had until... I went to school today (Ohio State). As I entered the computer lab for class my eyes lit up. 76 computers in one room. All 2.8ghz HT P4s, 512mb ram. I can easily install it on all of them before the end of that class. Then I remember all of the public access labs, which have between a dozen and 50 or so computers in each lab. All with comparable stats. Total for the campus is well over 1000 (guesstimate) computers that I have access to, all running 24/7. They also have a few dozen of the new quad core Mac Pros. Before I decide to embark on this journey I have a couple questions. I tried to install F@H on the comp I sat at today. It installed, config'd, and ran fine. I set it to service and restarted. It didn't start with Windows. I'm assuming installing startup services it is blocked by the administrator. Is there an easy way around this? Also, is it possible to set flags (-forceasm most importantly) to services? I use shortcuts for my comps and it isn't installed as a service. So, should I do it? That's a TON of PPD for team 32 (and myself, but that's just a bonus). If I do it I'd like to copy the files to a pen drive, burn a CD, or something along those lines to streamline the installation process. A sort of cookie-cutter install. __________________ i7 920 Gigabyte X58 Extreme 6gb OCZ DDR3 2000 7970 Fuzion/MCP655/3x120 rad
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01-05-07, 11:03 AM	#2
seadave77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newnan, GA	First question: Do you have permission?
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01-05-07, 11:20 AM	#4
dz_jad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bealeton, Virginia	Yah, might want to get that first....Stanford is liable, and so are you....so if they don't want it....not a good story. So, yah....get permission (may be a struggle) then go from there __________________ i5 2500k Gigabyte P67A-UD3 4GB memory and still my old x1900xt - (Retired from Folding)
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01-05-07, 11:22 AM	#5
dropadrop Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland	Not even "might", you should definatly get permission. If you do, it could be great, and they would not be wiped out within a few days.
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01-05-07, 11:36 AM	Thread Starter #7
satandole666 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH	So how do I go about persuading the OSU IT department that F@H is a good thing for their network? It doesn't provide them with any benefit that I can think of. If anything it might increase their electric bills. If I can find a good "pitch" I'll push forward with seeking permission. Maybe I can get the medical department to give it their seal of approval or something... Just out of curiousity...what kind of ballpark PPD could we expect from 500 2.8ghz P4s? __________________ i7 920 Gigabyte X58 Extreme 6gb OCZ DDR3 2000 7970 Fuzion/MCP655/3x120 rad
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01-05-07, 12:04 PM	#8
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	56,000 ppd. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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01-05-07, 12:28 PM	#9
dz_jad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bealeton, Virginia	The advantage really wouldnt be to them...it would be to the scientific community. it would take a lot of work...many people here (including me) have gotten excited thinking about borging a large campus and such...but I just never followed through....told myself they would say no before I asked....so yeah. Good luck if you go through with it! __________________ i5 2500k Gigabyte P67A-UD3 4GB memory and still my old x1900xt - (Retired from Folding)
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01-05-07, 12:49 PM	#10
seadave77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newnan, GA	Got to have permission first. I know it's a hard sell because I've tried it, but if you don't have permisssion you risk long term damage to the project not just the team. There have already been reports of FAH coming up on virus scans because people have taken it upon themselves to borg without permisssion. Best bet would be to start small for two reasons. First, it's easier to convince someone who is over a small set of computers. Tell him/her it is for scientific research run by Stanford and how it doesn't take away resources, etc. Second, when you ask someone else to use their computers you can point to the computers already running and say "These are folding and no one has complained yet." That will be a big help on top of the usual sales pitch. If they ask about the cons, be honest with them. Yes your computers will use more electricity (not to much more if they are already on), and yes it will use more bandwidth. Those are usually the main concerns. The other big one I think of is the security threat. Stanford uses digitally signed workunits and encryption to prevent the client from running arbitrary code. I cannot recall an instance where this has happened either. So with that said, good luck!
	QUOTE Thanks

01-05-07, 02:38 PM	#12
dropadrop Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland	Start by thinking what department could use the "advertisement", and try to get permission to fold under the departments name. Personally I would not let anyone fold under their name, as the request would directly come through as being very questionable. Alot of IT people have played around with seti or fah on their own, and would not dare to start borging the computers (even though they could be tempted). So... If you have a medical department (or similar), present the idea in a well thought out way to the head of the department. Fold for team 32 (ofcourse), but under the universitys and departments name. We'll still treat you like a rock star here if you pull it off.
	QUOTE Thanks

01-05-07, 06:18 PM	Thread Starter #14
satandole666 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH	Well I did apply for a minor in Biomedical Engineering a while back. I haven't had a chance to start it yet. I'll try to build a contact list and see what I can dig up. 56000 PPD is VERY tempting. How many PPD are the top folders in team 32 pulling? __________________ i7 920 Gigabyte X58 Extreme 6gb OCZ DDR3 2000 7970 Fuzion/MCP655/3x120 rad
	QUOTE Thanks

01-05-07, 07:25 PM	#15
dz_jad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bealeton, Virginia	here, this stats site is really good. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.c...ry.php?s=&t=32 __________________ i5 2500k Gigabyte P67A-UD3 4GB memory and still my old x1900xt - (Retired from Folding)
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