Vista users beware

Hi ya Console.

Help me out here (our anyone) Im not 100% up to play with these kinds of things.

But it says

vulnerability affects a set of Windows editions including Windows Vista

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Does that mean XP as well ?

Then it says

Customers who are using Internet Explorer 7 on Windows Vista are protected from currently known web based attacks due to Internet Explorer 7.0 protected mode. If you are reading Outlook 2007 you are protected regardless of if you are reading the mail as plain text or not. If you are reading email using Windows Mail on Vista you are protected as long are not forwarding or replying to the attackers email

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So as I use vista / IE7 / Windows Mail, Im better of than if I was using XP and IE 6 ?

If so and help me out if Im wrong shouldnt the thread say Windows User Beware ?

Deanzo said:

Hi ya Console.

Help me out here (our anyone) Im not 100% up to play with these kinds of things.

But it says



Does that mean XP as well ?

Then it says



So as I use vista / IE7 / Windows Mail, Im better of than if I was using XP and IE 6 ?

If so and help me out if Im wrong shouldnt the thread say Windows User Beware ?

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Yes, this thread would be more accurately titled "All Windows users beware".

Our first publicly-disclosed remote code execution vulnerability in Vista! How time flies.

Windows users should refrain from downloading new animated cursors, with immediate effect, and until Microsoft corrects the problem.

The thread title makes it sound like it's a vulnerability only with Vista when in fact users who use Vista are more secure than when using previous versions of Windows.

Thanks guys.

This is in no way directed at anyone here but I read a lot of bad things about vista that turn out to be the same or wores on other OS.

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Most of you would have seen this "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"

As I live in NZ you could say it kind of made the news here.

In it he uses an example of how vista wont let you hear Super Audio CD's (SACD) but then I found out no OS does, so why use that as example.

As Im not the most software orientated kind of guy, I find these kinds of things all a little misleading.

Thats one of the good things about being a member here, as I value your opinions and it helps me make an informed decision.

Deanzo said:

Thanks guys.

This is in no way directed at anyone here but I read a lot of bad things about vista that turn out to be the same or wores on other OS.

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Sort of. All of the proprietary OS's are starting to do these things; Microsoft is cramming a whole crap-load of content protection technology down your throat at once with this release. (Yes, I know OS X has a lot of 'protections' built in--none, however, are as clunky or complicated as those that Microsoft added to Vista.)

The only 'pure' OS's left on the planet are the completely FOSS ones; given a choice between the commercial OS's, the Mac wins. (I trust Apple more than I trust Microsoft; while both are led by maniacs, Jobs is the cooler kind of maniac who actually believes in what he's doing.)

Getting a little off topic

Most of you would have seen this "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"

As I live in NZ you could say it kind of made the news here.

In it he uses an example of how vista wont let you hear Super Audio CD's (SACD) but then I found out no OS does, so why use that as example.

As Im not the most software orientated kind of guy, I find these kinds of things all a little misleading.

Thats one of the good things about being a member here, as I value your opinions and it helps me make an informed decision.

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Don't buy Vista.

Captain Newbie said:

Sort of. All of the proprietary OS's are starting to do these things; Microsoft is cramming a whole crap-load of content protection technology down your throat at once with this release. (Yes, I know OS X has a lot of 'protections' built in--none, however, are as clunky or complicated as those that Microsoft added to Vista.)

The only 'pure' OS's left on the planet are the completely FOSS ones; given a choice between the commercial OS's, the Mac wins. (I trust Apple more than I trust Microsoft; while both are led by maniacs, Jobs is the cooler kind of maniac who actually believes in what he's doing.)


Don't buy Vista.

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This isn't the Powerpuff Girls, with the evil software manufacturer bent on world domination. Both Apple and MS are just trying to make a buck. There's no hidden agendas or anything else. Their trying to make an O/S that they think people will like. Whether you like it or not is personal preference. I love Vista. I think it's MSs best O/S to date. I've had almost no problems, which I think is amazing considering how new it is.

johnz said:

This isn't the Powerpuff Girls, with the evil software manufacturer bent on world domination. Both Apple and MS are just trying to make a buck. There's no hidden agendas or anything else. Their trying to make an O/S that they think people will like. Whether you like it or not is personal preference. I love Vista. I think it's MSs best O/S to date. I've had almost no problems, which I think is amazing considering how new it is.

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Maybe you should look just a bit closer at what Microsoft is selling you with Vista. Vista assumes your breaking the law 24/7 by constantly "polling" your hardware in the background. If It finds a software stream (video or audio) not to its liking, whether its your fault or not, Vista will stop what you are doing and restart all of the MPAA/RIAA software it coded into your system, locking your ability to watch/hear what you bought legally. If Microsoft's phone home software detects large scale problems, say a defective DVD shipped by accident , Microsoft has the ability, at the request of the MPAA/RIAA studios, of revoking your video or audio drivers and locking your system out of playing your legally purchased Movie or Music until you update to a new driver they specify.

Dragonprince said:

Maybe you should look just a bit closer at what Microsoft is selling you with Vista. Vista assumes your breaking the law 24/7 by constantly "polling" your hardware in the background. If It finds a software stream (video or audio) not to its liking, whether its your fault or not, Vista will stop what you are doing and restart all of the MPAA/RIAA software it coded into your system, locking your ability to watch/hear what you bought legally. If Microsoft's phone home software detects large scale problems, say a defective DVD shipped by accident , Microsoft has the ability, at the request of the MPAA/RIAA studios, of revoking your video or audio drivers and locking your system out of playing your legally purchased Movie or Music until you update to a new driver they specify.

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Driver revocation only applies to the new HD formats. It also doesn't cause the driver to stop working for other purposes. You just need to update the driver to watch hd content, standard DVDs and CDs aren't affected. This all assumes that the content providers even choose to implement this strategy. It's an option they have, but I doubt that it'll be implemented any time in the near future.

TBH, I couldn't care less about Blu Ray, and HD-DVD. I have no intention of buying a drive, or viewing that kind of content. CDs and DVDs play fine for me, and they always will. They don't have the advanced DRM schemes that the newer media has.

johnz said:

This isn't the Powerpuff Girls, with the evil software manufacturer bent on world domination. Both Apple and MS are just trying to make a buck. There's no hidden agendas or anything else. Their trying to make an O/S that they think people will like. Whether you like it or not is personal preference. I love Vista. I think it's MSs best O/S to date. I've had almost no problems, which I think is amazing considering how new it is.

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Yeah...but that's an expert opinion, sonny boy.

I can't abide people buying something that is defective by design.

Captain Newbie said:

Yeah...but that's an expert opinion, sonny boy.

I can't abide people buying something that is defective by design.

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I've been running Vista off and on since September last year, and full time since the end of January. I haven't found any defects yet...

Those people who are so easily willing to part with their freedoms are the reason that they are so easily able to take them away from everyone else.

I totally agree. I enjoy reading here.

johnz said:

I've been running Vista off and on since September last year, and full time since the end of January. I haven't found any defects yet...

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That's like designing an airplane that has a defect, but saying that because the defect hasn't manifested itself (and killed 148 people), you should leave the defect in there.

There is potential for harm, and that's not acceptable.

Captain Newbie said:

That's like designing an airplane that has a defect, but saying that because the defect hasn't manifested itself (and killed 148 people), you should leave the defect in there.

There is potential for harm, and that's not acceptable.

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You don't see a difference between something that will kill a bunch of people and something that will enforce copy protection? I think that the DRM is crap, but it wasn't Microsoft's idea. They did it because of laws and the power of the media corporations. If you object then tell your reps, they're the ones on the corporate payroll.

dgk said:

You don't see a difference between something that will kill a bunch of people and something that will enforce copy protection? I think that the DRM is crap, but it wasn't Microsoft's idea. They did it because of laws and the power of the media corporations. If you object then tell your reps, they're the ones on the corporate payroll.

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I find them equally unethical; in terms of severity I'd much rather have safe airplanes. Nonetheless, most computing professional organizations have as their general moral imperative number one to Do No Harm. DRM that results in reduced functionality has the potential for harm.

So M$ has a new evil weapon and will purposly misuse use it aginst you, although you are doing nothing wrong? Is Vista defective like the 767s that hit the WTC?

Why must there always be a conspiracy? I understand M$ helping the RIAA/MPAA, they know what it is like to deal with piracy. Did you pay for every song on your computer? I doubt it, so how much did you rip off the RIAA for in total? $50 (50x$1 per track), $500, $2-3000? Sure you have rights, but you dont have the right to steal. The eairly wild west days of the internet are slowly drawing to a close and law is here to stay. If you get a defective BR/HD-DVD, IT IS DEFECTIVE, dont blame M$ cause it dont work.


So in closing, dont buy Vista cause it is a evil weapon, and dont fly 767s cause they are flawed by design (ie not terrorist proof).

Oroka Sempai said:

So M$ has a new evil weapon and will purposly misuse use it aginst you, although you are doing nothing wrong? Is Vista defective like the 767s that hit the WTC?

Why must there always be a conspiracy? I understand M$ helping the RIAA/MPAA, they know what it is like to deal with piracy. Did you pay for every song on your computer? I doubt it, so how much did you rip off the RIAA for in total? $50 (50x$1 per track), $500, $2-3000? Sure you have rights, but you dont have the right to steal. The eairly wild west days of the internet are slowly drawing to a close and law is here to stay. If you get a defective BR/HD-DVD, IT IS DEFECTIVE, dont blame M$ cause it dont work.


So in closing, dont buy Vista cause it is a evil weapon, and dont fly 767s cause they are flawed by design (ie not terrorist proof).

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First, don't accuse people of committing crime without proof, you have no right to insult peoples integrity. Secondly exercising and protecting our freedoms from Corporate greed has nothing to do with anyone breaking the law, except those very same Corporations. Saying Microsoft has nothing to do with DRM is like saying Automakers have nothing to do with Global Warming. Baloney.

Dragonprince said:

First, don't accuse people of committing crime without proof, you have no right to insult peoples integrity. Secondly exercising and protecting our freedoms from Corporate greed has nothing to do with anyone breaking the law, except those very same Corporations. Saying Microsoft has nothing to do with DRM is like saying Automakers have nothing to do with Global Warming. Baloney.

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There's no question that corporate greed is ruining our world. Our founding fathers had a good healthy fear of the power of corporations, having been on the receiving end. They put all kinds of limits on that power and those have been eaten away over the years.

People say, rightly, that corporations only owe the stockholders, but that wasn't always true. Corporations could only be formed for a single purpose and for a set time. After that the corporation was dissolved and profits returned to the shareholders. More importantly, the corporate charter used to mean something. There was a legal responsiblilty to act in the public interest.

So, the corporation was supposed to do one thing, in the public interest, and they could make money on it. Now the only goal is to make money and the public interest is non-existant. In fact, they don't even have any loyalty to the nation any more, as Haliburton just demonstrated so well.

If you're going to get ****ed off about corporate behavior, Microsoft and DRM is miniscule potatoes.

Dragonprince said:

First, don't accuse people of committing crime without proof, you have no right to insult peoples integrity.

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Oh get over it. Betting someone has downloaded MP3s is like betting someone has speeded in thier car, or munched on some grapes at the grocery store. Chances are better than not that everyone here has done it. I have done it, you have done it, and everyone reading this thread has done it.

Dragonprince said:

Secondly exercising and protecting our freedoms from Corporate greed has nothing to do with anyone breaking the law, except those very same Corporations. Saying Microsoft has nothing to do with DRM is like saying Automakers have nothing to do with Global Warming. Baloney.

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Coperate greed is what made the ol USofA what it is today, same with the rest of the capitalist world. People are out to make money, not be chaitable donations. You think M$ would sell Vista at such high prices if no one could afford it? They did extensive research to find a reasonable price point for thier new product. It sure does cost more than XP, but in the 6 years since XP was released inflation has gone up, and the mighty US dollar is in the gutter. That bag of chips you had a while back costs more than it did 6 years ago... nearly everything did.

Automakers sell what there is a demand for. Few years back, that was big fuel guzzeling SUVs. Now that gas prices are up, people want smaller, more fuel efficent and cleaner vehicles. Automakers dont force you to drive instead of taking the bus or riding your bike, you do, and YOU fuel global warming with every gallon of gas you burn as you idle your Hummer inline at the drivethru at McDonalds.

Is a key ignition system in a car a breach of your rights? If you are not doing something wrong, what are you belly aching about? Your music will work, your DVDs will work, your games will work. This is ment for Joe blow anyways... it has gotten too easy to get copyrighted material illegally, the more advanced user will always find a way around copyright protection. Is the fact that it is harder to copy a game CD and play it a breach of your rights?


IMO, some people are so drunk on freedom they want everything or else. Everytime something happens that limits what a people can do, someone starts going on about how thier 'freedom' is being infringed on by 'the man' or some evil coperation. I like the fact that my idiot neighbour cant go buy a semi-automatic assault rifle, I like the fact that people cant go taking pictures of nakid kids, I like the fact that when I go into a public place I dont have to be choked out by cigerette smoke, I like the fact that if you drink and drive, you loose your lisence. Are there people bitching that thier freedom to posess child porn is being infringed uphon... yup, as goes for the rest of it.

If I buy a HD-DVD, I get to use it in HD mode, if I dont buy it, I dont get to watch it in HD mode. I think that is fair.