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Old 04-20-07, 03:38 PM Thread Starter   #1
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I am new to haveing a jeep as well im new to 4x4 .
When im backing up and turning @ the same time when in 4wd it feals liek the front tires are fighting with the back tires (not really but I hope some one knows what I mean ) . Is this normal ? Should I only be backing up in 2wd ?

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Old 04-20-07, 03:44 PM   #2
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Any tight turns in 4WD will fee that way, forward or reverse.

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Old 04-20-07, 03:49 PM Thread Starter   #3
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So I should take it out of 4wd when I have to back out of my parking spot =)

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Old 04-20-07, 04:02 PM   #4
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really unless your in snow or offroad you should be in 2wd. 4wd vehicles always do this while in 4wd because their is no variable center differential like in an AWD vehicle.

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Old 04-20-07, 04:09 PM Thread Starter   #5
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Im in canada and we still have snow =)

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Old 04-20-07, 06:00 PM   #6
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I've driven vehicles were it didn't jerk or grab at all in 4WD when going forward, backward, turning or anything else. When that happens there is something not right in the front-end or the transfer case. I had a Cherokee (biggest piece of crap ever, bought used) that did this since the I first used the 4WD in the snow and the dealer refused to do anything about it. I went to the sales floor and drove another, same year and it didn't do it at all. Still they wouldn't do anything about it. That vehicle is pobably laying in a junkyard somewhere right now. I sold it to a guy I knew a little bit and he had nothing but problems with the thing, as did I and it only had 48K miles on it when I sold it to him.

I've owned a Suzuki Samurai and a 4-door Sidekick. Both those vehicles drove smooth as silk in 4WD in any direction. The Sammy did have manual locking hubs though, which I didn't like and as a High-School kid in Tennessee my parents wouldn't and I didn't have the cash to buy autolockers.
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Your Jeep shouldnt do it too much in snow if at all but on grass that isn't wet or asphault it'll buck around in 4wd.Sounds like a real lemon Fudge,my lifted cherokee is about to hit the 170k mile mark.

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Old 04-21-07, 12:57 AM   #8
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My 4WD vehicles (see list) all make a grabbing feeling when making very low speed tight turns like into a parking space:

Jeep (when in 4WD, has auto hubs)
Ford (always, it's got auto AWD)
Chevy (if hubs are locked and 4WD is engaged)

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Old 04-21-07, 08:42 AM   #9
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As mentioned, in 4wd on sharp turns, the truck will buck. I've got an Isuzu Trooper 4x4 (2.6L) and it does the same thing. I did however, almost get the front end to hop the other day in traffic (very slow traffic). 4 low, front hubs unlocked, gas, off, gas, off, gas hop ::chuckle::. Anyway, have fun with your Jeep. I just finished helping a friend re-wire his jeep from scratch. It's a 1995 Wrangler body on a CJ frame with a Dana 60 front axle, and a GM 14 bolt rear axle. 16" wheels w/ beadlocks and 44" tires (a little too big). His tires are taller than the front of my trooper.

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Old 04-21-07, 11:52 AM Thread Starter   #10
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Mine is a 2007 wrangler sarhaira

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Old 04-21-07, 01:14 PM   #11
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the "bucking" feeling is the front u-joints that attach your stub shafts to the axle shafts are binding. you could try to adjust your steering stops, but it will decrease turning radius. it may be that the steering stop IS misadjusted from the factory. get a manual and check it out.

suzuki's and most other foreign 4x4 use birfields not u-joints upfront thus eliminating this problem (while creating new ones). some jeeps came with birfs on the front too.
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Old 04-21-07, 05:40 PM   #12
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OOooo I know this one...
I used to work for Chrysler Corp's Jeep division from 1995-2000 explaining this very thing.

The tugging between the wheels is because of the 4Wd system called "Part-Time". There are (4) 4-wheel drive systems out there:
-Part Time
-Full Time
-All Wheel Drive
-4 Wheel on demand (there are a few versions of this but its only because of the addition of limited slip differentials and not the system itself.) On demand is by far the best.

In the Jeep Wranglers and most basic sport utilitiy vehicles you'll have the original 4 wheel drive system called "Part Time". A Part Time transfer case locks the front drive shaft to the same speed of the rear drive shaft. It is one of the best things you would want if your vehicle has very little traction like in deep snow or ice. But in situations where you have decent traction, (like your parking lot in the summer) your part time system will cause you problems and you can hurt your 4 wheel drive system and tires.

Here's why: Imagine you are driving in a perfect circle in the snow... Looking from directly above you would see two seperatee sets of tire tracks. You would see the tracks from the wheels on the outside of the circle and you'd see another set made from the wheels on the inside of the circle.
The outside circle is larger and the inside is smaller. Therefore, the wheels on the outside have a longer disstance and need to travel faster then the wheels travelling slower making the inside set of tracks. It is this difference in speed that is making your Jeep tug and pull. The "Part Time" system locks the front set of wheels and the rear set together at the same speed. Because all 4 of your wheels have the same amount of traction, they are now fighting each other for control. That is why it is called a part time system....because you should only be using it part of the time and not all the time like on warm summer days. Save it for deep ice and snow.

For some reason, Jeep never gave the better "Full Time" system to Wranglers and used it only in the Cherokees? Full Time simply adds a limited slip differential inside the transfer case so that the front and rear wheels can go at different speeds up to a certain point.

On demand blows everything else away and only the newer Grand Cherokees have this computer controlled 4 wheel drive system that delivers almost 100% of the power to a wheel that needs it the most. You'll never see it in a wrangler becuase its way too expensive. Its silly becuase working for Jeep for over 5 years, it was very rare to see Grand Cherokees go 4 wheel driving and the Wranglers with thier ancient, simple systems are the ones you see on the trails all the time...LOL

Edit: I still drive my 2001 Cherokee Limited that I had made for me directly off the assembly line. It's got the "Full Time" system and although I much would have rather had the On Demand "Quadra-Track II", I'm glad it is only available in the Grand Cherokee becuase anything that has electronics, switches, sensors and such eventually goes bad and that gets expensive to repair and hard to diagnose if you beat on it hard on the trails. Sadly the regular Cherokee is no longer made and mine was the 116th from the last ever to be built for the United States. They replaced it with the craappy "Liberty", ugh.

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Old 04-21-07, 06:02 PM   #13
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look at any serious off roader/rock crawler and they all use a "part time" system. its much more preferable than a full-time/on-demand system for serious offroading. and in your example with the turning in a circle, the diffs should take of all of that (unless you got lockers/spools). it shouldnt matter whether or not your in 4wd. ive always been under the impression that the reason not to stay in 4wd all the time on a part-time system was that most front diffs dont use reverse cut gears. or maybe that has to do with high-pinions.... hmmmm. anyways,
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