Reminder: Monday is Wiretap the Internet Day

OcX · 05-14-07, 08:59 PM

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May 14th is the official deadline for cable modem companies, DSL providers, broadband over powerline, satellite internet companies and some universities to finish wiring up their networks with FBI-friendly surveillance gear, to comply with the FCC's expanded interpretation of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act.

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http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...er_monday.html

See! You thought it was Lag, it was the Fuzz!

Radical · 05-14-07, 09:58 PM

My school did work on part of our wireless network today. I wonder if it had anything to do with this..

. Not really sure why "FBI-friendly surveillance gear" is necessary, but I guess we'll have to live with it.

MRD · 05-14-07, 10:30 PM

I have mixed feelings on this. It sucks to think of them snooping on us, but at the same time, there really is a threat to this country.

Personally, I'd like an assurance that any information obtained from these wiretaps could only be used to prosecute those that are a threat to this country, i.e. catching terrorists, spies, arms dealers, or other similarly nasty people. Our tax dollars really shouldn't be used to spy on us to catch college kids swapping mp3's. The RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft can pay to do their own dirty work, and they should have to get warrants and demonstrate probable cause before they can do any snooping. The threat to the country of a pirated mp3 isn't sufficient to justify search w/o a warrant or probable cause.

freakdiablo · 05-15-07, 11:42 AM

I think its just a set up so the fbi can get free broadband

Joking. I think its an ok idea, I bet they would kick ass at CS

(dont worry, Im not that dense, I know what it means.)

bchur83 · 05-15-07, 12:01 PM

I can confirm this is true. I work at an ISP, and in the past few months, we have been giving info to a company who will be soon putting in equipment that will be able to monitor all Broadband traffic for the FBI. If you ask me, it is rediculous, but the FBI has to be able to know everything that is going on. As far as I know, they can only tap the line with a warrant to do so. It isnt an all the time monitoring thing of everyone.

greyharte · 05-15-07, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bchur83

I can confirm this is true. I work at an ISP, and in the past few months, we have been giving info to a company who will be soon putting in equipment that will be able to monitor all Broadband traffic for the FBI. If you ask me, it is rediculous, but the FBI has to be able to know everything that is going on. As far as I know, they can only tap the line with a warrant to do so. It isnt an all the time monitoring thing of everyone.

for now .....

Asr940 · 05-15-07, 04:51 PM

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for now

Take the time to read the Patriot Act, you might be amazed but even there, in the document that everyone complains about as violating your civil rights, there are a heck of a lot of loops the government has to jump through before it can do anything.

rainless · 05-15-07, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Asr940

Take the time to read the Patriot Act, you might be amazed but even there, in the document that everyone complains about as violating your civil rights, there are a heck of a lot of loops the government has to jump through before it can do anything.

...and they've become increasingly adept at "hoop-jumping."

Malpine Walis · 05-15-07, 08:53 PM

And this is not really that new. It is just that the FBI gets to play in the sandbox now where before, it was exclusively the NSA who could do this. The FBI will still need a warrant to act, of that I am sure.

The NSA for their part needs no warrant because they do not spy on Americans. They operate the program jointly with the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, who all have similar laws about domestic snooping. So we all spy on each other's citizens and share the data so that nobody gets dirty hands over the matter.

Everyone say hello to Echelon, the system that does this and be sure to wish them a nice big nuclear weapons of a hello when you do. BTW, the use content filtering so I just got this thread tagged by that.

Remove · 05-15-07, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Malpine Walis

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Everyone say hello to Echelon, the system that does this and be sure to wish them a nice big nuclear weapons of a hello when you do. BTW, the use content filtering so I just got this thread tagged by that.

Saves me time by not having to report it to my station chief.

JustChill · 05-16-07, 11:29 PM

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I have mixed feelings on this. It sucks to think of them snooping on us, but at the same time, there really is a threat to this country.

Personally, I'd like an assurance that any information obtained from these wiretaps could only be used to prosecute those that are a threat to this country, i.e. catching terrorists, spies, arms dealers, or other similarly nasty people. Our tax dollars really shouldn't be used to spy on us to catch college kids swapping mp3's. The RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft can pay to do their own dirty work, and they should have to get warrants and demonstrate probable cause before they can do any snooping. The threat to the country of a pirated mp3 isn't sufficient to justify search w/o a warrant or probable cause.

Well Said and

X2

Mr.Guvernment · 05-17-07, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Asr940

Take the time to read the Patriot Act, you might be amazed but even there, in the document that everyone complains about as violating your civil rights, there are a heck of a lot of loops the government has to jump through before it can do anything.

How many wire taps were done illegaly by the current administration ?

05-14-07, 09:58 PM	#2
Radical Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA	My school did work on part of our wireless network today. I wonder if it had anything to do with this.. . Not really sure why "FBI-friendly surveillance gear" is necessary, but I guess we'll have to live with it.
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05-14-07, 10:30 PM	#3
MRD Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CT	I have mixed feelings on this. It sucks to think of them snooping on us, but at the same time, there really is a threat to this country. Personally, I'd like an assurance that any information obtained from these wiretaps could only be used to prosecute those that are a threat to this country, i.e. catching terrorists, spies, arms dealers, or other similarly nasty people. Our tax dollars really shouldn't be used to spy on us to catch college kids swapping mp3's. The RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft can pay to do their own dirty work, and they should have to get warrants and demonstrate probable cause before they can do any snooping. The threat to the country of a pirated mp3 isn't sufficient to justify search w/o a warrant or probable cause.
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05-15-07, 11:42 AM	#4
freakdiablo Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here	I think its just a set up so the fbi can get free broadband Joking. I think its an ok idea, I bet they would kick ass at CS (dont worry, Im not that dense, I know what it means.) __________________ Main: MOBO: MSI P67A-G45, CPU: i7 2600k w/ VenX (4.4ghz @ 1.33v), RAM: 2x8gb Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series DDR3 1600, GFX: Galaxy GTX670 GC, PSU: OCZ 1250w ZX, CASE: Corsair 500R, HDD: 120gb Samsung 840, Samsung 2TB EcoGreen F4 Quick, Cheap, and Dirty NAS: Sempron 140, Hyper 212+ with 800RPM Scythe Slipstreams, 4gb ram, 5x2tb Hitachis in RAID5, Seasonic SSR-360GP, Antec 300, Biostar Tpower motherboard, APC BR700G UPS, Buffalo WZR-HP-AG300H router Laptop: Lenovo Thinkpad X220 HTPC: Zotac ZBOX AD04-U w/ 4GB Samsung 1333mhz, 64GB Adata Premier Pro SP900 Sandbox: Q9550, DFI Lanparty Jr. P45-T2RS, 3GB mismatched ram, 1TB Samsung F1, Antec Neo Eco 400w, cheapo case Lanbox: APEX TX-381-C case, MSI 760GM-P34 w/ cheap MOSFET heatsinks, AMD PII 965 BE, 8gb Corsair XMS3 1333MHz, 120GB OCZ Vertex 3, CM 212 Evo, MSI 5850 OC Project 1UP Bored of games? Nothing good on internet radio or youtube? Dont waste your GHz, find them before they find us. SETI
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05-15-07, 12:01 PM	#5
bchur83 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes	I can confirm this is true. I work at an ISP, and in the past few months, we have been giving info to a company who will be soon putting in equipment that will be able to monitor all Broadband traffic for the FBI. If you ask me, it is rediculous, but the FBI has to be able to know everything that is going on. As far as I know, they can only tap the line with a warrant to do so. It isnt an all the time monitoring thing of everyone. __________________ Main Rig: Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 * Core i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz * 8GB (2x 4GB) Mushkin Blackline PC3-1600 * GeForce GTX 560TI 448 1280MB * 6TB Storage * LG BD/RW * Lian-Li PC-V2000B * Dell 24" 2407FPW & Asus 24" VS248H Backup Rig: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P * C2Q Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz * 4GB (2x 2GB) G-Skill PC2-8000 * Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB * 320GB Storage * Samsung SH-S203N DVD+/-RW * Apex Full Tower Case * 2x Dell 19" LCD HTPC: Abit IP35PRO * C2D E6600 @ Stock * 2GB G-Skill PC6400 * Geforce 8600GT 256MB * 640GB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-ROM * 55" Samsung 1080p 3D LED LCD via HDMI Media Server: DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D * A64 3800+ X2 * 1GB PC3200 * Powercolor X800XL * 14TB Storage * Lite On 16x DVD-RW Heatware
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05-15-07, 08:53 PM	#9
Malpine Walis Disabled Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Banned Camp	And this is not really that new. It is just that the FBI gets to play in the sandbox now where before, it was exclusively the NSA who could do this. The FBI will still need a warrant to act, of that I am sure. The NSA for their part needs no warrant because they do not spy on Americans. They operate the program jointly with the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, who all have similar laws about domestic snooping. So we all spy on each other's citizens and share the data so that nobody gets dirty hands over the matter. Everyone say hello to Echelon, the system that does this and be sure to wish them a nice big nuclear weapons of a hello when you do. BTW, the use content filtering so I just got this thread tagged by that.
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