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David_N

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http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=416&type=expert
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_BE2350/?page=1
http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cpu_mobo/amd/be2350/index.shtml
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32334/135/
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3003&p=10
Key points:

Low voltage: 1.15-1.2v
Low wattage: 45w
Core: Brisbane
Cost: <$100

BE-2350: 2.1GHz
BE-2300: 1.9GHz

These chips have a lot of potential! I'm guessing with some more voltage these could be great overclockers.
 
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Mmmm 65nm, 10.5x multi, low voltage and low wattage. Anyone else feeling that this thing will overclock like a beast?!?!?! Low temps at stock speeds can only ever be a good thing tbh. 2.52GHz on stock is nice, though i'm sure they'll push higher, I reckon we'll see 2.9GHz on water easy, any other bets?
 
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Beat me to the thread :thup:

OK, now lets form a lobby to get AMD to release an X4 to us :drool: Barcelona has been pushed from June back to after August which may slow the release of the X4s. If anyone close to AMD is reading this then you should know a lot more enthusiasts are going to jump over to Intel for Penryn and Neha if they can't get us ES samples or some 3600X4s or so!
 
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AlabamaCajun said:
Beat me to the thread but add this one.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32334/135/

OK, now lets form a lobby to get AMD to release an X4 to us :drool: Barcelona has been pushed from June back to after August which may slow the release of the X4s. If anyone close to AMD is reading this then you should know a lot more enthusiasts are going to jump over to Intel for Penryn and Neha if they can't get us ES samples or some 3600X4s or so!
meh, pushing Barcelona doesn't necessarily push X4 back, because they really are the same

X4 was always slated to come after Barcelona, so as long as Barcelona comes out before X4 was thought to come out, then X4 should keep it's release date
 
I have been reading a lot on these lately. Not to sound too negative but as of right now they don't sound that impressive.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3003

Final Words

The performance of the Athlon X2 BE-23xx lineup isn't particularly impressive, but that is to be expected. Power consumption is definitely down over the standard 65nm 65W Athlon 64 X2s, but not as low as the old 35W EE SFF parts were. A direct comparison to the Core 2 Duo E4300 is difficult given that we are forced to use different chipsets/motherboards, but for a high performance system you can easily build a comparably low power system out of Intel parts. AMD argues that with integrated graphics you can deliver a lower overall TDP on one of its systems, which we tend to believe given that the P965 is one of the lowest power Intel chipsets you can buy whereas the nForce 590 SLI that's a part of our normal AMD test bed is far from the lowest power offering out there. We will be looking at integrated graphics/platform performance in a future CPU article when we will address this topic in greater detail.

If you're simply looking for a high performance system with lower power requirements, possibly just to keep your office/room cooler and quieter, then the Core 2 Duo E4300 is still a better bet than either of these new X2s. You will pay about $25 more, but the increase in performance is more than tangible (not to mention the fact that you can actually get close to top of the line performance if you decide to overclock the E4300).

However, if performance isn't a primary concern and you're not interested in overclocking (our BE-2350 wouldn't even break 2.4GHz), then these chips offer an interesting alternative to current 65W X2s. The only issue is that you have to be committed to AMD's Socket-AM2 platform, which at this point we're not sure will give you a good upgrade path in the future (depending on how successful Phenom ends up being).
 
i liked reading the one on pc perspective where they state no C2D is in the price range of these BE's at he start, then list them as being around $91. If they bothered to look you can find the E2xxx cpus only 2 atm around $100-115. which are at 1.6ghz and 1.8ghz both with 1mb, so i fail to see how intel has nothing at that price point. funny to me to say the least, glad to see amd is finally putting stuff out with out problems after the merg.

as well its well known intel does thier TPD for the whole C2D family. i dought the E2xx's would be 65watts, more like on the 45-50watts TDP.

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another thing hothardware would be a good review site if they listed the same numbers for instance like here
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/?page=5
they show the total score not the cpu score as they do here
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_BE2350/?page=8
some places need to get there act together IMO.
 
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Evilsizer said:
i liked reading the one on pc perspective where they state no C2D is in the price range of these BE's at he start, then list them as being around $91. If they bothered to look you can find the E2xxx cpus only 2 atm around $100-115. which are at 1.6ghz and 1.8ghz both with 1mb, so i fail to see how intel has nothing at that price point. funny to me to say the least, glad to see amd is finally putting stuff out with out problems after the merg.

as well its well known intel does thier TPD for the whole C2D family. i dought the E2xx's would be 65watts, more like on the 45-50watts TDP.

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another thing hothardware would be a good review site if they listed the same numbers for instance like here
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/?page=5
they show the total score not the cpu score as they do here
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_BE2350/?page=8
some places need to get there act together IMO.

Well the E2XXX are not considered C2Ds, yes they are based on the Allendale core, but according to Intel they are "Pentium Dual Core" chips.

Unfortunately it seems that the overclocking results are quite mediocre for these new "Brisbanes."
 
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funnyperson1 said:
Well the E2XXX are not considered C2Ds, yes they are based on the Allendale core, but according to Intel they are "Pentium Dual Core" chips.
it doesnt matter how intel classifies them on the cpu finder. its still core 2 arch there is no changing that. as long as its core 2 arch from the get go its still a C2D. you cant turn a cat into a dog and you cant turn a dog into cat.
 
im not sure what cajun is talkin about... i have been keeping track and even what he said really has me lost. to really back up though the Core 2 as it is now known as really got its start with the "banis"/"dothan" cores back a few years ago. the "core duo" parts or "yohan" were nothing more then 2 dothan's in one die. the added cache and instruction set is what really let these "core 2" parts come to life in a sense. as i still like to call these from time to time as P3's on steroids since banis/dothan are reworked p3 cores with alot more cache.
 
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it doesnt matter how intel classifies them on the cpu finder. its still core 2 arch there is no changing that. as long as its core 2 arch from the get go its still a C2D. you cant turn a cat into a dog and you cant turn a dog into cat.

Of course they are based off the Core2Duo architecture, but this doesn't make them Core2Duos, just as Celerons weren't Pentium IIIs because having less cache made them Celerons.

Now looking back at the pcper article I see that they did not say "Core2Duo" they said there is no "current architecture" competitor, which clearly is not true. The E2XXX are current arch based chips, and pcper revised their review noting that these do exist, but they haven't had a chance to look at them.
 
like i said you cant make a cat a dog and vise versa... just be cause it has less cache doesnt mean it is not a C2D. the naming of cpus is just so that people get the idea of the segment they are ment for its still a C2D no matter what the cache size. just as its a x64 no matter what the cache size. L2 cache doesnt take away or add anything to the arch of the cpu. its just giving it a larger storage for instructions.

celerons were nothing more then failed P3's/p4's.
 
AlabamaCajun said:
I stand corrected, I was thinking of Yonah and said Merom(the mobiles).
The link should have also been http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/26/intel_core_2_market_strategy/
for the Allendales.
that helps but i dont think funny is getting the point. no matter what its still core 2 under the hood. no amount of L2 cache is going to change that. "core 2" was never set in stone to be used by cpu with a certian L2 cache.


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@ funny
if a horse has 2 legs is it still a horse?
 
Did you guys miss this? AMD is getting there!

Doesn't look too bad.

I would still like to see (don't shout at me, as this is totally hypothetical) a X2 amd, @2Ghz with 2mb shared lvl2 cache, against a C2D @2Ghz with 2mb shared lvl2 cache.

That would give a clear indication of the real performance of Core2 against K8.

I still say, give AM2 chips some shared lvl2 cache, and more if it, and we will have a really competitive chip.
 
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Evilsizer said:
like i said you cant make a cat a dog and vise versa... just be cause it has less cache doesnt mean it is not a C2D. the naming of cpus is just so that people get the idea of the segment they are ment for its still a C2D no matter what the cache size. just as its a x64 no matter what the cache size. L2 cache doesnt take away or add anything to the arch of the cpu. its just giving it a larger storage for instructions.

celerons were nothing more then failed P3's/p4's.

Celerons were PIII/P4s with reduced cache, E2XXX are Core2Duos with reduced cache, I don't see why you have the double standard here.

Yes these have the Core2 architecture, but the term Core2Duo is a product/marketing name and not the name of a microarchitecture.

As far as we overclockers are concerned these chips are Allendales with reduced cache. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, they are Pentium Dual Core chips.

A horse with two legs is a crippled horse, and that is the way the world would percieve it, the breed wouldn't matter, sex wouldn't matter, its just a two legged horse that can't run, or do any of the things that horses are used for.

ps2cho, I don't see how AMD is "getting there" the performance is the same as the Brisbanes. These chips lost most all of the benchmarks to the E4300, although the comparison isn't the greatest since the 4300 costs $30 more. One of the sites compared them to the E2XXX series from Intel and performance depended on the app, but mostly the Pentiums were faster.

These chips are nice because they are low power, great for SFF/HTPC systems. Pair this with a 690g board and you have power/performance figures that Intel can't touch because their igp chipsets suck.
 
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