What are all the diffrences between each variety of P5K mobo?

OBLIVIONLORD · 08-29-07, 10:50 AM

I can find 1 damn site that shows the diffrences for each and every one of the versions. The versions on Newegg are...

P5K-SE
P5K-VM
P5K
P5K-V
P5K-E
P5K-WS
P5K-Deluxe
P5K-Premium
P5k3-Premium

That's alot of diffrent freaking model's. So perhaps someone would enlighten me please. Thanks

Maverick0984 · 08-29-07, 11:16 AM

P5K Premium (DDR2) = P5K3 Premium (DDR3) > P5K Deluxe > All the rest.

OBLIVIONLORD · 08-29-07, 11:54 AM

http://techgage.com/article/asus_p5k_deluxe_wifi-ap/1

According to this site they say that the P5k3 = P5k Deluxe except with added DDR3 support. Nothing else that entirely separates itself from the P5K3. This review was done after the P5K3 review.

The P5k Premium seems to be the big DDR2 guy in town because...
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2077518

Storage:
Deluxe
Southbridge Supports Raid 0 and 1
Premium
Southbridge Supports Raid 0, 1, 5 and 10

Audio:
Premium adds ASUS AI Audio 2

Deluxe: Memory Standard DDR2 1066 / 800 / 667 MHz The chipset officially supports the memory frequency up to DDR2 800MHz. Tuned by ASUS Super Memspeed Technology, this motherboard natively supports up to DDR2 1066MHz

Premium: DDR2 1066

"Asus changed all the power mosfet around the socket,added some capacitors around the pcb and first of all added a mosfet on the ddr2 channel. In the p5k deluxe there's only 1 mosfet for 4 channels with some problems of stability. With premium there're 2 mosfet. Asus declared that with this solution the new premium can work stable with ram over 1400 mhz!"

It appears that for DDR2 the Premium is better than the Deluxe.

Newegg sells the Deluxe for $10 cheaper than the Premium. Much better buy to go with the Premium instead of the Deluxe.

johan851 · 08-29-07, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Deluxe Southbridge Supports Raid 0 and 1

I'm running RAID 5 on my southbridge.

Unfortunately, I got the Deluxe right before they came out with the Premium. The only real difference is the power circuitry. Which sucks, because now the resale value of my board is virtually $0.

OBLIVIONLORD · 08-29-07, 01:54 PM

What about the other versions of the PK5 that I listed above? I still cant find a site that compares them all.

johan851 · 08-29-07, 02:07 PM

The P5K is essentially the same as the deluxe, but has the ICH9 southbridge instead of the ICH9R. The P5K-WS is a workstation model that has 64-bit PCI slots, which are often used for high-bandwidth add-on cards like gigabit network controllers and RAID solutions. The P5K-E appears to be like the P5K-Deluxe, but with one less gigabit LAN controller.

v8440 · 08-30-07, 05:46 PM

Do these boards support intel matrix raid? If so, is matrix raid using the fastest portion of the drives for raid 0 still the hot ticket like it was several months ago?

johan851 · 08-30-07, 06:54 PM

Every board with the ICH9R chipset (P5K Premium and Deluxe, maybe others) will support it. I still think it's a good choice. Mine is running great.

jason4207 · 08-30-07, 07:01 PM

There are some noted problems w/ ICH9R RAID on the P5K Premium (me included). A future BIOS may remedy this issue, but for now you may want to be wary.

Maverick0984 · 08-31-07, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207

There are some noted problems w/ ICH9R RAID on the P5K Premium (me included). A future BIOS may remedy this issue, but for now you may want to be wary.

I've heard of this from GTengineer and now you, although I've had no problems. Granted I'm only running RAID1, so I dunno.

jason4207 · 08-31-07, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick0984

I've heard of this from GTengineer and now you, although I've had no problems. Granted I'm only running RAID1, so I dunno.

From what I've read only some brands of HDDs are affected. Seagates seem to be immune, but my WD's don't want to do RAID 0. They are working fine in AHCI mode at the moment...better than some of the guys on Asus forum.

fritzman · 08-31-07, 04:03 PM

Intersting. So far, I've had no prob's with either Seagate perp's in a matrix R0/R5 mix or my 3xraptor matrix R0.

Great board tho.

jason4207 · 08-31-07, 04:58 PM

The Asus forums have led me to believe it isn't all WD drives...in fact the point out the Raptors work fine. So fritzman, you may have gotten lucky. I'm not too worried, though, b/c single-drive AHCI is working well enough for now. I plan on Matrixing some Barracudas anyway, so when (4 months?) I get them they (hopefully) won't give me any problems. By then newer drivers/BIOS's may have been released anyway.

I was previously considering RMAing this board and trying to get a DFI board, but I read some reviews, and they led me to believe I won't get a higher OC w/ my chip. The RAID on the DFI may very well give me the same problem I'm having w/ this board. It costs quite a bit more too. I'd rather save that $ towards some Barracudas. At this speed my biggest bottlenecks are the HDD(s), and my Internet connection.

fritzman · 08-31-07, 05:37 PM

Thanks

I have 3 of those new Seagate ES 32Mb cache 500Gb drives on backorder... they look NICE!

v8440 · 08-31-07, 06:29 PM

So it's a good bet that 4 perps in raid 5 or 10 won't give trouble with this board?

Also, is it likely to be worth it to spring for the ddr3 version? How much real-life gain do you get from ddr3 vs ddr2?

And finally, I want to run my OS and apps off a 4 drive raid 0 array. However, I would like the system to automatically mirror all that data on a non-raid 0 setup of some sort. Am I right in thinking that intel matrix raid 0/5 or 0/10 can do that? I don't want to have to do anything, I want on-the-fly mirroring. I certainly don't mind devoting the disk space to it, just need to know if it works this way.

johan851 · 08-31-07, 06:46 PM

You can't get on-the-fly mirroring unless you're running some kind of RAID 1 solution. If you wanted 4-drive RAID 0 mirrored, you'll need to run 8-drive RAID 10. Otherwise, the drive doing the mirroring can't keep up with the data array. I run a 3-drive RAID 0/RAID 5 Matrix RAID with automated backups every night.

jason4207 · 08-31-07, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8440

So it's a good bet that 4 perps in raid 5 or 10 won't give trouble with this board?

Also, is it likely to be worth it to spring for the ddr3 version? How much real-life gain do you get from ddr3 vs ddr2?

And finally, I want to run my OS and apps off a 4 drive raid 0 array. However, I would like the system to automatically mirror all that data on a non-raid 0 setup of some sort. Am I right in thinking that intel matrix raid 0/5 or 0/10 can do that? I don't want to have to do anything, I want on-the-fly mirroring. I certainly don't mind devoting the disk space to it, just need to know if it works this way.

Perps should be fine according to what I've read.

Forget DDR3 for now. No real world gain at current timings, and way too pricey!

Yes, you can have what you want w/ the Matrix RAID. Take the fastest slice from each HDD for the RAID 0 array, and put the rest in RAID 5 if you want the space. You can put an image of your RAID 0 on the RAID 5 (or 10) array and recover fairly easily if a drive fails. Read the Matrix RAID sticky for details.

v8440 · 08-31-07, 06:56 PM

Ok, it appears that I can't actually get real-time mirroring without an unreasonable (to me) expenditure on disks. I guess the next best thing would be the previous poster's idea of nightly backups. This could be done automatically I presume? Probably with any of a number of programs...

As you guys can see, I've never messed with raid before.

08-29-07, 10:50 AM	Thread Starter #1
OBLIVIONLORD Member Join Date: Dec 2003	What are all the diffrences between each variety of P5K mobo? I can find 1 damn site that shows the diffrences for each and every one of the versions. The versions on Newegg are... P5K-SE P5K-VM P5K P5K-V P5K-E P5K-WS P5K-Deluxe P5K-Premium P5k3-Premium That's alot of diffrent freaking model's. So perhaps someone would enlighten me please. Thanks
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08-29-07, 11:16 AM	#2
Maverick0984 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Folding from Chicago	P5K Premium (DDR2) = P5K3 Premium (DDR3) > P5K Deluxe > All the rest. __________________ 3DMark06 - 14,936/XP x86 - 14,172/Vista x64 ASUS P5K Premium WiFi/AP Q6600 @ 3.645 Ghz (405x9) @ 1.425v eVGA Geforce 8800 GTX @ 621Mhz/1512Mhz/1053Mhz 4x2GB G.Skill PK's DDR2-800 @ 405Mhz 1:1 4-4-4-10 2T @ 2.05v 2x150GB Raptor 10,000RPM in RAID 1 w/ ICH9R 7x750GB WD in RAID 5 w/ 3ware 9650SE 8 Port controller 750W PC Power & Cooling
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08-29-07, 11:54 AM	Thread Starter #3
OBLIVIONLORD Member Join Date: Dec 2003	http://techgage.com/article/asus_p5k_deluxe_wifi-ap/1 According to this site they say that the P5k3 = P5k Deluxe except with added DDR3 support. Nothing else that entirely separates itself from the P5K3. This review was done after the P5K3 review. The P5k Premium seems to be the big DDR2 guy in town because... http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2077518 Storage: Deluxe Southbridge Supports Raid 0 and 1 Premium Southbridge Supports Raid 0, 1, 5 and 10 Audio: Premium adds ASUS AI Audio 2 Deluxe: Memory Standard DDR2 1066 / 800 / 667 MHz The chipset officially supports the memory frequency up to DDR2 800MHz. Tuned by ASUS Super Memspeed Technology, this motherboard natively supports up to DDR2 1066MHz Premium: DDR2 1066 "Asus changed all the power mosfet around the socket,added some capacitors around the pcb and first of all added a mosfet on the ddr2 channel. In the p5k deluxe there's only 1 mosfet for 4 channels with some problems of stability. With premium there're 2 mosfet. Asus declared that with this solution the new premium can work stable with ram over 1400 mhz!" It appears that for DDR2 the Premium is better than the Deluxe. Newegg sells the Deluxe for $10 cheaper than the Premium. Much better buy to go with the Premium instead of the Deluxe.
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08-29-07, 01:54 PM	Thread Starter #5
OBLIVIONLORD Member Join Date: Dec 2003	What about the other versions of the PK5 that I listed above? I still cant find a site that compares them all.
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08-29-07, 02:07 PM	#6
johan851 Insatiably Malcontent Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	The P5K is essentially the same as the deluxe, but has the ICH9 southbridge instead of the ICH9R. The P5K-WS is a workstation model that has 64-bit PCI slots, which are often used for high-bandwidth add-on cards like gigabit network controllers and RAID solutions. The P5K-E appears to be like the P5K-Deluxe, but with one less gigabit LAN controller. __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 \| 2500K @ 4.6GHz \| 2x4GB Samsung DDR3 \| GTX460 768mb 120GB Crucial M4 \| 2x 2TB Samsung F4 \| Seasonic S12 600w AV-710 --> y2 DAC --> Custom M^3 --> Custom LM3875 ChipAmp --> Modula MTs Dual Dell 2007WFP \| Watercooled
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08-30-07, 05:46 PM	#7
v8440 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Hell, AL	Do these boards support intel matrix raid? If so, is matrix raid using the fastest portion of the drives for raid 0 still the hot ticket like it was several months ago? __________________ E6300 at 3.36 GHz tuniq tower 120 p5b plus board fsb at 480 MHz 2 gig crucial ballistix 800MHz ddr2 at 470 MHz 8800 Ultra at default speeds 4 320 mb perp drives in matrix raid 0/10 pc p & c 750w power supply
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08-30-07, 06:54 PM	#8
johan851 Insatiably Malcontent Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	Every board with the ICH9R chipset (P5K Premium and Deluxe, maybe others) will support it. I still think it's a good choice. Mine is running great. __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 \| 2500K @ 4.6GHz \| 2x4GB Samsung DDR3 \| GTX460 768mb 120GB Crucial M4 \| 2x 2TB Samsung F4 \| Seasonic S12 600w AV-710 --> y2 DAC --> Custom M^3 --> Custom LM3875 ChipAmp --> Modula MTs Dual Dell 2007WFP \| Watercooled
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08-30-07, 07:01 PM	#9
jason4207 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Concord, NC	There are some noted problems w/ ICH9R RAID on the P5K Premium (me included). A future BIOS may remedy this issue, but for now you may want to be wary. __________________ MAIN RIG: 3570K @ 4.5GHz 1.272v H100i Extreme4-Z77 8GB-G.Skill @ 2200MHz 9-11-11-28 1.60v CM_430-Elite GTX670_DCuII_TOP @ 1358/7244 1.212v Xplosion-DTS 256GB-Samsung_830 1TB-Black Seasonic_X-750 27.5"-1200P-LCD Z5500-5.1 \|\| PLV-Z4_720P_Projector_95" Paradigm_6.1_DTS-ES G9_Mouse Logitech_Illuminated_KB Logitech_G27_Wheel+Microsim_Racing_Pod *HEAT* GAMING HTPC: i3-550 @ 4.5GHz 1.35v H70 MSI_H55M-ED55 4GB-G.Skill @ 1875MHz 7-9-7-23 1T GTS450 @ 970/1940/2100 240GB_Sandisk_Extreme 640GB_Blue Corsair_CX430 Panny 42S2 1080P Plasma unRAID FILE SERVER: E5200-M0 @ 2GHz 0.856v MSIP43Neo3-F 4GB-Corsair @ 800MHz CM590 Antec550W 19TB-Parity_Protected_Storage / 1TB-Cache / 2TB-Parity / 10x2TB 2x1TB
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08-31-07, 04:03 PM	#12
fritzman Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tauranga - New Zealand	Intersting. So far, I've had no prob's with either Seagate perp's in a matrix R0/R5 mix or my 3xraptor matrix R0. Great board tho. __________________ Office Rig : 3770k (4.5@1.25vcore), H100, EVGA Z77 FTW, 2 x 8Gb G.Skill Ripjaw 2133's, EVGA GTX580 SC, 240Gb Revo3x2 with W8 Pro 64-bit, Antec P180 case with an Antec TPQ1000 psu WHS : Intel G620/Z68 UD4, 16Gb 1600 ram, Velo 600Gb running WHS2011, LSI MegaRAID 9260-8i with 8 x 3Tb Hitachis in Raid6
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08-31-07, 04:58 PM	#13
jason4207 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Concord, NC	The Asus forums have led me to believe it isn't all WD drives...in fact the point out the Raptors work fine. So fritzman, you may have gotten lucky. I'm not too worried, though, b/c single-drive AHCI is working well enough for now. I plan on Matrixing some Barracudas anyway, so when (4 months?) I get them they (hopefully) won't give me any problems. By then newer drivers/BIOS's may have been released anyway. I was previously considering RMAing this board and trying to get a DFI board, but I read some reviews, and they led me to believe I won't get a higher OC w/ my chip. The RAID on the DFI may very well give me the same problem I'm having w/ this board. It costs quite a bit more too. I'd rather save that $ towards some Barracudas. At this speed my biggest bottlenecks are the HDD(s), and my Internet connection. __________________ MAIN RIG: 3570K @ 4.5GHz 1.272v H100i Extreme4-Z77 8GB-G.Skill @ 2200MHz 9-11-11-28 1.60v CM_430-Elite GTX670_DCuII_TOP @ 1358/7244 1.212v Xplosion-DTS 256GB-Samsung_830 1TB-Black Seasonic_X-750 27.5"-1200P-LCD Z5500-5.1 \|\| PLV-Z4_720P_Projector_95" Paradigm_6.1_DTS-ES G9_Mouse Logitech_Illuminated_KB Logitech_G27_Wheel+Microsim_Racing_Pod *HEAT* GAMING HTPC: i3-550 @ 4.5GHz 1.35v H70 MSI_H55M-ED55 4GB-G.Skill @ 1875MHz 7-9-7-23 1T GTS450 @ 970/1940/2100 240GB_Sandisk_Extreme 640GB_Blue Corsair_CX430 Panny 42S2 1080P Plasma unRAID FILE SERVER: E5200-M0 @ 2GHz 0.856v MSIP43Neo3-F 4GB-Corsair @ 800MHz CM590 Antec550W 19TB-Parity_Protected_Storage / 1TB-Cache / 2TB-Parity / 10x2TB 2x1TB
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08-31-07, 05:37 PM	#14
fritzman Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tauranga - New Zealand	Thanks I have 3 of those new Seagate ES 32Mb cache 500Gb drives on backorder... they look NICE! __________________ Office Rig : 3770k (4.5@1.25vcore), H100, EVGA Z77 FTW, 2 x 8Gb G.Skill Ripjaw 2133's, EVGA GTX580 SC, 240Gb Revo3x2 with W8 Pro 64-bit, Antec P180 case with an Antec TPQ1000 psu WHS : Intel G620/Z68 UD4, 16Gb 1600 ram, Velo 600Gb running WHS2011, LSI MegaRAID 9260-8i with 8 x 3Tb Hitachis in Raid6
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08-31-07, 06:29 PM	#15
v8440 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Hell, AL	So it's a good bet that 4 perps in raid 5 or 10 won't give trouble with this board? Also, is it likely to be worth it to spring for the ddr3 version? How much real-life gain do you get from ddr3 vs ddr2? And finally, I want to run my OS and apps off a 4 drive raid 0 array. However, I would like the system to automatically mirror all that data on a non-raid 0 setup of some sort. Am I right in thinking that intel matrix raid 0/5 or 0/10 can do that? I don't want to have to do anything, I want on-the-fly mirroring. I certainly don't mind devoting the disk space to it, just need to know if it works this way. __________________ E6300 at 3.36 GHz tuniq tower 120 p5b plus board fsb at 480 MHz 2 gig crucial ballistix 800MHz ddr2 at 470 MHz 8800 Ultra at default speeds 4 320 mb perp drives in matrix raid 0/10 pc p & c 750w power supply
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08-31-07, 06:46 PM	#16
johan851 Insatiably Malcontent Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA	You can't get on-the-fly mirroring unless you're running some kind of RAID 1 solution. If you wanted 4-drive RAID 0 mirrored, you'll need to run 8-drive RAID 10. Otherwise, the drive doing the mirroring can't keep up with the data array. I run a 3-drive RAID 0/RAID 5 Matrix RAID with automated backups every night. __________________ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 \| 2500K @ 4.6GHz \| 2x4GB Samsung DDR3 \| GTX460 768mb 120GB Crucial M4 \| 2x 2TB Samsung F4 \| Seasonic S12 600w AV-710 --> y2 DAC --> Custom M^3 --> Custom LM3875 ChipAmp --> Modula MTs Dual Dell 2007WFP \| Watercooled
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08-31-07, 06:56 PM	#18
v8440 Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Hell, AL	Ok, it appears that I can't actually get real-time mirroring without an unreasonable (to me) expenditure on disks. I guess the next best thing would be the previous poster's idea of nightly backups. This could be done automatically I presume? Probably with any of a number of programs... As you guys can see, I've never messed with raid before. __________________ E6300 at 3.36 GHz tuniq tower 120 p5b plus board fsb at 480 MHz 2 gig crucial ballistix 800MHz ddr2 at 470 MHz 8800 Ultra at default speeds 4 320 mb perp drives in matrix raid 0/10 pc p & c 750w power supply
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