Finally upgrading to dual core

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 02:58 PM

Hi everyone, after a ton of research and coming up with a little more money I have made the choice to upgrade to AMD. AMD is a more economical decision and I have experience overclocking these things (mobile barton days). Since I am on an extreme budget, I will be reusing my emachines microATX case and maybe the 250w psu if I absolutely have to.

These are my choices so far:
Motherboard: BIOSTAR TForce TF7025-M2 $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138074

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103774

RAM: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $65.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098

This comes pretty close to my $255 budget ($212.30 shipped) and I would have to get a 20-24pin power adapter. I won't be overclocking until I can get a better heatsink and fan. I am also undecided if I will be reusing my FX5200 (will have to see how these onboard graphics do in comparison). I will be getting a new graphics card after the new ones come out so that I can catch a good deal on them. I really don't want to reuse the emachines PSU and was wondering if anyone knew if this system will run on 250 watts or if there is a cheap ($20-30) PSU that will tie me over for a while.

Open to suggestions, I will be ordering hardware tonight.

djrussell · 10-16-07, 03:13 PM

here are two psu's for 30ish from trusted brands. they probably won't hold up if loaded with a power hungry graphics card. they're decent quality in your price range though and you won't need a 20->24 pin adapter.

FSP 300W

sparkle 350W

the onboard graphics will probably perform about as well as your fx5200. onboard uses your ram though so it might be better to use the fx.

Trap05 · 10-16-07, 03:18 PM

Is that fx5200 PCI or AGP?

jiggamanjb · 10-16-07, 03:27 PM

grab this ram for $60. It is some of the best right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146565

For your PSU, this is $40, but should handle many of the newer video cards now. That way you won't have to upgrade you PSU too.
Please, PLease, don't reuse that emachines PSU!!!!

I think your onboard will beat out your 5200 since it is only PCI based.

djrussell · 10-16-07, 03:29 PM

missing a psu link there jiggamanjb.

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 03:30 PM

The FX5200 is PCI, I wouldn't even think about using it in that setup if it were AGP as there is no slot for it.

As far as the Ballistix go, I'm trying to get the build on the cheap and don't have the extra $100 bucks to spend while waiting for the MIR

Oh, and I forgot to add that with a new PSU: I need something that will fit in an mATX case (worst case scenario I could put it on top I guess)

djrussell · 10-16-07, 03:38 PM

in the ballistix's defense, there's only a $37 difference (including shipping) between them and the gskill before rebate. i figured you didn't want to wait on rebates though so didn't suggest them.

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 03:42 PM

I know that the ballistix are kickass and would get them if I could find my other parts with those for 255 shipped which I highly doubt will happen

djrussell · 10-16-07, 03:54 PM

i'm probably going to commit a mortal sin right here....

the mobo, cpu, and ballistix shipped to 13202 are $245.80 before $48 worth of rebates. if you want to take a gamble and reuse the emachines psu (

) for a few months till you get rebate money back, you can buy a better one later. there's even still $9.20 left in your budget for the adapter cable.

totally a gamble that's up to you.

Trap05 · 10-16-07, 04:03 PM

I can't see a 250w working out very well. Maybe sell anything you can of your current rig and use that for a decent power supply. Here's a couple decent ones for around $50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256019

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703010

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 04:13 PM

Well, if I tried the old PSU... worst case scenario I would have to RMA everything or?

I am thinking of maybe getting some cheaper stuff and throw in a PSU/PCI-E graphics card, I mainly just play HL2 and Farcry. I may try out Doom3. Would I need a dual core and 2gb memory for those games? They are playable on my current system but barely

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 04:19 PM

hehe, maybe I will be a PITA and ask for you guys to help me build a dx9 gaming rig (cpu,mobo,ram,psu,case,vga) for 255 bucks shipped lol

i have a dvd burner and a hard drive or two to put in the box

aja · 10-16-07, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackersabbath

hehe, maybe I will be a PITA and ask for you guys to help me build a dx9 gaming rig (cpu,mobo,ram,psu,case,vga) for 255 bucks shipped lol

i have a dvd burner and a hard drive or two to put in the box

Now there's a nice challenge!

(wish I lived in the USA and knew the market, I am totally up for the challenge!)

djrussell · 10-16-07, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackersabbath

hehe, maybe I will be a PITA and ask for you guys to help me build a dx9 gaming rig (cpu,mobo,ram,psu,case,vga) for 255 bucks shipped lol

i really can't see that happening for less than $350. it'd barely be worth it anyway.

stafa · 10-16-07, 06:10 PM

Here is a crazy idea. If you are seriously under a budget, why not buy some gently used hardware? You could source a pretty nice rig for your money from ebay. Obviously the trade-off is you have to trust people/vendors on there.. but it is a viable option. It also might get you into a better case, more reliable PSU, and even get you some bundled software. Here is ONE small example, it took me 15 seconds to locate this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Dell-Inspiro...QQcmdZViewItem

blackersabbath · 10-16-07, 07:05 PM

I am going to get mobo, cpu and ram from my original post along with the thermaltake 430w psu. They all are good quality and fit into my budget nicely. Let's just hope that the psu fits into my emachines case.

jiggamanjb · 10-16-07, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djrussell

missing a psu link there jiggamanjb.

linked

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371006

that thermaltake should be fine though.

blackersabbath · 10-17-07, 02:04 PM

The new system is on the way from the egg. Hopefully all goes well and I can see how far I can push the cpu =)

blackersabbath · 10-17-07, 06:26 PM

Can anyone tell me if I can OC with the 430W PSU? I'm thinking I should be able to but I don't wanna mess up my system

jiggamanjb · 10-17-07, 06:51 PM

Should be no problem. Just keep an eye on the rails, but I'm sure OCing without a video card you won't be stressing the PSU much.

10-16-07, 02:58 PM	Thread Starter #1
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	Finally upgrading to dual core Hi everyone, after a ton of research and coming up with a little more money I have made the choice to upgrade to AMD. AMD is a more economical decision and I have experience overclocking these things (mobile barton days). Since I am on an extreme budget, I will be reusing my emachines microATX case and maybe the 250w psu if I absolutely have to. These are my choices so far: Motherboard: BIOSTAR TForce TF7025-M2 $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138074 CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103774 RAM: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $65.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098 This comes pretty close to my $255 budget ($212.30 shipped) and I would have to get a 20-24pin power adapter. I won't be overclocking until I can get a better heatsink and fan. I am also undecided if I will be reusing my FX5200 (will have to see how these onboard graphics do in comparison). I will be getting a new graphics card after the new ones come out so that I can catch a good deal on them. I really don't want to reuse the emachines PSU and was wondering if anyone knew if this system will run on 250 watts or if there is a cheap ($20-30) PSU that will tie me over for a while. Open to suggestions, I will be ordering hardware tonight. __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-16-07, 03:13 PM	#2
djrussell Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: everett, wa	here are two psu's for 30ish from trusted brands. they probably won't hold up if loaded with a power hungry graphics card. they're decent quality in your price range though and you won't need a 20->24 pin adapter. FSP 300W sparkle 350W the onboard graphics will probably perform about as well as your fx5200. onboard uses your ram though so it might be better to use the fx. __________________ x2 5600 21/45 w/Tt ruby orb GB ga-m61p-s3 2x512 + 2x2 ocz platinum 4-4-4-12 seagate 'cudas 80gb + 500gb rosewill stallion 500w raidmax sagitta case powercolor HD3870 PCS
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10-16-07, 03:18 PM	#3
Trap05 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada	Is that fx5200 PCI or AGP? __________________ CoolerMaster 690 Antec HCG 620w Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 + i5 2500K Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V w/crossbow G.Skill 8GB 1600 MSI GTX 560ti 448 1280MB Corsair Nova 64GB SSD Windows 7 x64 HP SP1 Corsair k60 & Logitech MX518 BenQ RL2450H 24" 1080p http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=60834 SteamID trm2006
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10-16-07, 03:27 PM	#4
jiggamanjb Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MI, USA	grab this ram for $60. It is some of the best right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146565 For your PSU, this is $40, but should handle many of the newer video cards now. That way you won't have to upgrade you PSU too. Please, PLease, don't reuse that emachines PSU!!!! I think your onboard will beat out your 5200 since it is only PCI based. __________________ MAIN: Biostar H61MGC / i3 - 2120 Sandy / Team Elite 8GB DDR3 1333 / 300GB V-Raptor / OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 6870 / Case: Modded CM 690 / Logitech Z-640 5.1 w/ Onboard Audio / Westy 22in Widescreen / Emprex 22" Widescreen for static viewing HTPC/SERVER/ETC: Biostar H77MU3 / Core i3-3220T / CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 / PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W 80 PLUS Bronze G.SKILL Phoenix Pro 60GB SSD ( OS ) + WD 20EARS 2TB 64MB Cache ( Video, Music, Pictures ) + 500GB Hitachi ( TV recordings ) / Custom Rosewill CHALLENGER (2) AVerMedia AVerTVHD Duet - PCTV Tuner / HP Media Remote / Antennacraft Colorstar C490 Everything you need to know about Power Supplies and buying a new one ___ Heatware ___Retired Case: Modded Full Tower
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10-16-07, 03:29 PM	#5
djrussell Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: everett, wa	missing a psu link there jiggamanjb. __________________ x2 5600 21/45 w/Tt ruby orb GB ga-m61p-s3 2x512 + 2x2 ocz platinum 4-4-4-12 seagate 'cudas 80gb + 500gb rosewill stallion 500w raidmax sagitta case powercolor HD3870 PCS
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10-16-07, 03:30 PM	Thread Starter #6
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	The FX5200 is PCI, I wouldn't even think about using it in that setup if it were AGP as there is no slot for it. As far as the Ballistix go, I'm trying to get the build on the cheap and don't have the extra $100 bucks to spend while waiting for the MIR Oh, and I forgot to add that with a new PSU: I need something that will fit in an mATX case (worst case scenario I could put it on top I guess) __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-16-07, 03:38 PM	#7
djrussell Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: everett, wa	in the ballistix's defense, there's only a $37 difference (including shipping) between them and the gskill before rebate. i figured you didn't want to wait on rebates though so didn't suggest them. __________________ x2 5600 21/45 w/Tt ruby orb GB ga-m61p-s3 2x512 + 2x2 ocz platinum 4-4-4-12 seagate 'cudas 80gb + 500gb rosewill stallion 500w raidmax sagitta case powercolor HD3870 PCS
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10-16-07, 03:42 PM	Thread Starter #8
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	I know that the ballistix are kickass and would get them if I could find my other parts with those for 255 shipped which I highly doubt will happen __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-16-07, 03:54 PM	#9
djrussell Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: everett, wa	i'm probably going to commit a mortal sin right here.... the mobo, cpu, and ballistix shipped to 13202 are $245.80 before $48 worth of rebates. if you want to take a gamble and reuse the emachines psu () for a few months till you get rebate money back, you can buy a better one later. there's even still $9.20 left in your budget for the adapter cable. totally a gamble that's up to you. __________________ x2 5600 21/45 w/Tt ruby orb GB ga-m61p-s3 2x512 + 2x2 ocz platinum 4-4-4-12 seagate 'cudas 80gb + 500gb rosewill stallion 500w raidmax sagitta case powercolor HD3870 PCS
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10-16-07, 04:03 PM	#10
Trap05 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada	I can't see a 250w working out very well. Maybe sell anything you can of your current rig and use that for a decent power supply. Here's a couple decent ones for around $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256019 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703010 __________________ CoolerMaster 690 Antec HCG 620w Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 + i5 2500K Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V w/crossbow G.Skill 8GB 1600 MSI GTX 560ti 448 1280MB Corsair Nova 64GB SSD Windows 7 x64 HP SP1 Corsair k60 & Logitech MX518 BenQ RL2450H 24" 1080p http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=60834 SteamID trm2006
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10-16-07, 04:13 PM	Thread Starter #11
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	Well, if I tried the old PSU... worst case scenario I would have to RMA everything or? I am thinking of maybe getting some cheaper stuff and throw in a PSU/PCI-E graphics card, I mainly just play HL2 and Farcry. I may try out Doom3. Would I need a dual core and 2gb memory for those games? They are playable on my current system but barely __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-16-07, 04:19 PM	Thread Starter #12
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	hehe, maybe I will be a PITA and ask for you guys to help me build a dx9 gaming rig (cpu,mobo,ram,psu,case,vga) for 255 bucks shipped lol i have a dvd burner and a hard drive or two to put in the box __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-16-07, 06:10 PM	#15
stafa New Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Here is a crazy idea. If you are seriously under a budget, why not buy some gently used hardware? You could source a pretty nice rig for your money from ebay. Obviously the trade-off is you have to trust people/vendors on there.. but it is a viable option. It also might get you into a better case, more reliable PSU, and even get you some bundled software. Here is ONE small example, it took me 15 seconds to locate this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Dell-Inspiro...QQcmdZViewItem
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10-16-07, 07:05 PM	Thread Starter #16
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	I am going to get mobo, cpu and ram from my original post along with the thermaltake 430w psu. They all are good quality and fit into my budget nicely. Let's just hope that the psu fits into my emachines case. __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-17-07, 02:04 PM	Thread Starter #18
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	The new system is on the way from the egg. Hopefully all goes well and I can see how far I can push the cpu =) __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-17-07, 06:26 PM	Thread Starter #19
blackersabbath Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norwich, NY	Can anyone tell me if I can OC with the 430W PSU? I'm thinking I should be able to but I don't wanna mess up my system __________________ MB: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 CPU: Phenom II 955 BE (h100+4x Ultra Kaze) RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4GB (running at 667 9/9/9/25/40/2t) VGA: Sapphire 6870 (reference design) stock HD: Samsung F3 1TB/ Seagate Green 2TB PSU: Corsair 650TX Case: Arc Midi Monitor: 32" LCD TV OS: Windows 7
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10-17-07, 06:51 PM	#20
jiggamanjb Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MI, USA	Should be no problem. Just keep an eye on the rails, but I'm sure OCing without a video card you won't be stressing the PSU much. __________________ MAIN: Biostar H61MGC / i3 - 2120 Sandy / Team Elite 8GB DDR3 1333 / 300GB V-Raptor / OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 6870 / Case: Modded CM 690 / Logitech Z-640 5.1 w/ Onboard Audio / Westy 22in Widescreen / Emprex 22" Widescreen for static viewing HTPC/SERVER/ETC: Biostar H77MU3 / Core i3-3220T / CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 / PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W 80 PLUS Bronze G.SKILL Phoenix Pro 60GB SSD ( OS ) + WD 20EARS 2TB 64MB Cache ( Video, Music, Pictures ) + 500GB Hitachi ( TV recordings ) / Custom Rosewill CHALLENGER (2) AVerMedia AVerTVHD Duet - PCTV Tuner / HP Media Remote / Antennacraft Colorstar C490 Everything you need to know about Power Supplies and buying a new one ___ Heatware ___Retired Case: Modded Full Tower
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