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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Senior Air Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2004
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The HD 3870/50 Thread
I plan to do with this thread the same thing I did with the X800GTO² & X1900XTX/XT threads so gentlemen & ladies start your engines. I'll be gathering links to as much knowledge and testing as I can find concerning these cards so we have a general reference thread. Please support the thread with as much info as you like. Pics, links, benchmarks, stable voltages, overclocking & cooling methods and anything else that will contribute to the advancement of these great cards are welcome. The X1900XTX/XT sticky thread is over 80 pages so let's see if we can beat that. ![]() How to get on the Wall of Fame ATI HD 3870/50 List of clocks, cooling, and volts AKA (Wall of Fame) NAME...........MFG.....CARD.......GPU/MEM.....VCore.......VDD.......Cooling HousERaT 1.....HIS.... HD3870 --- 958/1296 - 1.550 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Dynatron BH-625/Ramsinks HousERaT 2.....HIS.... HD3870 --- 958/1296 - 1.550 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock HousERaT ......HIS.... HD3870CF - 958/1296 - 1.550 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock/Dynatron BH-625 Ross ..........SPH.... HD3870 --- 885/1387 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock vixro .........GCB.... HD3870 --- 877/1233 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ManOfKnight ...SPH.... HD3870 --- 864/1260 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock Super Nade.....HIS.... HD3870 --- 877/1404 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Thermalright HR03 w 90mm Alexhk ........VTK.... HD3870 --- 860/1276 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - AC Accelero S1 (w/1500rpm 120mm fan) Coreyhm1 ......SPH.... HD3870 --- 857/1197 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock OC nub ........SPH.... HD3870CF - 835/1251 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock OC nub ........SPH.... HD3870 --- 850/1287 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ryantt ........SPH.... HD3870 --- 877/1368 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock WonderingSoul .SPH.... HD3870 --- 860/1200 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ()nslaught ....VTK.... HD3870 --- 857/1350 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock juane414 ......SPH.... HD3870 --- 837/1242 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock Eclectic ......HIS.... HD3870 --- 918/1242 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Swiftech MCW-60/Enzotech Ramsinks Classicholy ...SPH.... HD3870 --- 875/1261 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock grumperfish ...DIA.... HD3870 --- 850/1250 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - HR-03/92mm Delta juane414 ......SPH.... HD3870 --- 891/1296 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock just2stoned ...DIA.... HD3870 --- 837/1179 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock just2stoned ...DIA.... HD3870CF - 837/1179 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock gibletzor .....SPH.... HD3870 --- 891/1296 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Accelero S1 Rev2/Yate Loon fan thescavenger...DIA.... HD3870 --- 877/1323 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Accelero S1 Rev2 w/ 120mm fan gmony01 .......VTK.... HD3870 --- 864/1278 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock Realgun .......ATI.... HD3870 --- 877/1251 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Swiftech MCW-60 Woomack .......SPH.... HD3850 --- 769/1017 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ShadowUrlich...HIS.... HD3850 --- 799/1030 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ICEQ3- Turbo Firestrider ...POW.... HD3850 --- 769/1026 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock jhanby ........GCB.... HD3850 --- 722/909 -- XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock T1GG4L4T0R.....HIS.... HD3850 --- 810/999 -- XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Zalman VF900Cu eva2000 1......HIS.... HD3850 --- 823/1098 - 1.330 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ICEQ3- Turbo eva2000 2......HIS.... HD3850 --- 823/1098 - 1.330 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ICEQ3- Turbo eva2000........HIS.... HD3850CF - 823/1098 - 1.330 GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock ICEQ3- Turbo chrome-187.....VTK.... HD3850 --- 735/1044 - XXXXX GPU, XXXXX VDD - Stock HIS Digital site - Just in case I need it for some reason....... ![]() New bios OC fix - This is supposed to fix the 860 OC limit. Tested and works. ![]() ATI Flash 3.49 - To flash to the new bios Winflash 2.0.0.2 - To flash to the new bios How to Flash your ATI card - This works for the 3870 cards as well. ![]() 3870 VCore Pencil Mod - Confirmed and works with a #2 Pencil Modded clock bios @ IAX Tech - Clocks have been modded but not the voltage. Techpowerup Downloads - AtiTool, GPUZ etc. vixro's 3870 benchmarking thread - vixro benchmarking everything he can get his hands on. 56K beware ![]()
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Stock Cooling just fine for normal use!
After a very quick test with the TT Duorb vs Stock Cooler my findings are that the Stock cooler is good enough. E6850 @ 4Ghz, HD 3870 @ 860/1301 - Room temps at 18°C - setup is not in a case Stock Cooling @ 60% highest load is 54° TT DuOrb highest load is 53° Both are pretty silent....... take that how you want to..... ![]()
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CM-690 | Maximus Formula | Ballistix D9GMH 2GB - 4-4-4-10 - 2.2v (active cooled) | E6850 @4GHz (L719B) 602 Bios 500x8 - 1.475v | Ultra 120 Extreme | 2x HD3870 840/1300 | Lite-On 52327s CDRW | WD 74GB - Raptor HDD | Corsair 620HX PSU | Windows XP Pro sp2 | Support the OC Benchmarking Team The HD 4870/50 Thread The HD 3870/50 Thread The X1900XT/XTX Thread X800GTO˛ Thread Heatware Make friends with your "FAST" - 90K 01SE - 77K 03 - 29K 05 - 19K 06 - 274K AM3 - single card all air baby! Last edited by HousERaT; 11-21-07 at 05:14 PM. |
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Confirmed 3870 VCore Pencil Mod (thanks to Rumon for the pic) I take no responsibility for you using this mod. If you use it and brick your card it's on you. Make sure you have a volt meter. ![]()
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Wow this is gonna be awesome, i was just on the egg and it said it had the HIS 3870 in stock and when i clicked it was out of stock, lol. They are going fast. |
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Next to the Thermalright coolers it's one of the best out there........ http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16835106112
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CM-690 | Maximus Formula | Ballistix D9GMH 2GB - 4-4-4-10 - 2.2v (active cooled) | E6850 @4GHz (L719B) 602 Bios 500x8 - 1.475v | Ultra 120 Extreme | 2x HD3870 840/1300 | Lite-On 52327s CDRW | WD 74GB - Raptor HDD | Corsair 620HX PSU | Windows XP Pro sp2 | Support the OC Benchmarking Team The HD 4870/50 Thread The HD 3870/50 Thread The X1900XT/XTX Thread X800GTO˛ Thread Heatware Make friends with your "FAST" - 90K 01SE - 77K 03 - 29K 05 - 19K 06 - 274K AM3 - single card all air baby! |
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The tests I've seen comparing this cooler were not done on the 3870...... what's really wild about this is when the X1900 XT 512 MB cards first came out I got one for a total of $499.99 plus shipping. Now I'm getting two cards plus two 3rd party coolers for about the same thing.
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![]() Although, the price of both of those cards and coolers is still pretty shocking. |
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In case anyone is wondering, yes I will be hooking one of these cards up to my Kingwin/Tornado combo. ![]()
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History states that ATI cards always perform better after driver updates. Somtimes it takes a while though. Hard for the 8800GT to compete with a card at $219. They would have to lower the 8800gt to at least $240 - 250 across the board to compete. |
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Well if people were selling the cards at the price they should have been selling them at then it wouldn't be so bad. Right now you can get some of the overclocked 8800GT cards for over $330 shipped. That's just ridiculous for a card that is supposed to cost below $250.00
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If they has plenty of stock when it was released I dont think you would see these high prices. |
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![]() I'm looking to get a pair myself.
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In stock at newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102713
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only 2...how many do u want man? |
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I just got my 3870! ![]() |
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For a HTPC and I would like to play Bioshock & Crysis and any of the other games coming out at least at 1280x1024 which card would you get?????3850 or 8800 gt
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u americans have no idea how lucky you are. Our dollar is worth 88 of ur cents yet i still have to pay 380 for a HD 3870 and $350 for an 8800gt. I guess i have to wait till the shops here become sensible. |
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I've got a couple 3850's coming my way, I'll report back with some crossfire action later.
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**subscribed** ...and eagerly awaiting results. I love AMD's strategy here. |
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Im very curious to see how the 3870 performs in crossfire. I hope the prices dont get jacked up like the 8800gt's
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CM-690 | Maximus Formula | Ballistix D9GMH 2GB - 4-4-4-10 - 2.2v (active cooled) | E6850 @4GHz (L719B) 602 Bios 500x8 - 1.475v | Ultra 120 Extreme | 2x HD3870 840/1300 | Lite-On 52327s CDRW | WD 74GB - Raptor HDD | Corsair 620HX PSU | Windows XP Pro sp2 | Support the OC Benchmarking Team The HD 4870/50 Thread The HD 3870/50 Thread The X1900XT/XTX Thread X800GTO˛ Thread Heatware Make friends with your "FAST" - 90K 01SE - 77K 03 - 29K 05 - 19K 06 - 274K AM3 - single card all air baby! |
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i ordered the HIS $219 last night from newegg. was trying to get the sapphire but when i tried to proceed it said out of stock meh. but newegg hasnt shipped yet which is weird because usually they're really quick about getting it out the door....its just sitting at step 3 i hope theres no probs with availability vs amounts sold x.O |
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Hope to see some tastey info on temps/cooling/noise - interestingly enough, those will be the decieding factor for me between these and an 8800GT
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I'll be grabbing the 3870 as soon as it comes back in stock! Anywhere else selling it apart from newegg? I hate paying tax.
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I'll be doing some intense testing and benchmarking next week when my cards get here.
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CM-690 | Maximus Formula | Ballistix D9GMH 2GB - 4-4-4-10 - 2.2v (active cooled) | E6850 @4GHz (L719B) 602 Bios 500x8 - 1.475v | Ultra 120 Extreme | 2x HD3870 840/1300 | Lite-On 52327s CDRW | WD 74GB - Raptor HDD | Corsair 620HX PSU | Windows XP Pro sp2 | Support the OC Benchmarking Team The HD 4870/50 Thread The HD 3870/50 Thread The X1900XT/XTX Thread X800GTO˛ Thread Heatware Make friends with your "FAST" - 90K 01SE - 77K 03 - 29K 05 - 19K 06 - 274K AM3 - single card all air baby! |
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Its 34 F outside, Ill be sticking the pc in the window and bench away :> Got to wait for the quad to get here tho. |
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